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They seem to bring stacks of RPG books (fairly small space they take up I admit) but if anyone took interest in buying for RRT "one of each" PB would typically have sold 1/3rd of their stock other than the starter boxes.
The company itself seems less optimistic than their fan-friends.

Hmmm.
I will applaud Red Duke's efforts demoing some games, the IP is still something I can enjoy and am desperate to not have PB ruin it for me (denial is a good start).
I may not agree him coordinating with Palladium in those efforts however is a good thing.

The comments by Red Duke about the "haters gonna hate" still seems to have a blind eye to an unfulfilled Kickstarter years late with no end in sight: much anger is justified.
I had no idea Rick was so infamous... but again, much ire toward PB is justified so someone would eventually stand out somewhere.
I like him around, he makes my anti-Palladium rants seem reasonable in comparison

I know we get into the "White Knight" discussions but comments from those folk are painful to read due to tip-toe'ing around the various landmines of Palladium behavior: they are a tough group to try to defend.

I guess Kevin's staff we can feel sorry for: they were stuck in a small box talking to Kevin for days at a time... gives me the willies just thinking about it.

 Mike1975 wrote:
To be fair where the games are being held and where the booth is are two very different locations from what I understand.

Also it is totally possible that people who are not backers are interested in RRT but have no interest in the RPG stuff. The last time the PB booth was in the RPG area if I recall correctly and that is not the first place you would look for minis.

I know a number of people that were not backers who were interested in the game.
When my flgs displayed some of my painted RRT miniatures in their case, non-backers wanted to talk to me about the game.
You and I both know that one of the things that killed interest is the poor handling. This could have had broad appeal, but its creators aren't interested in it.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Also, Peter did an awesome job with the SDF-1 and I would not be surprised that he would have a lot of people checking out his display/demo/game.

Yes, that looks really nice and he did a great job.

I can't speak for recent years but in my 15 years of going to gencon I don't recall the dealer's hall being separated into genre regions. You'd have a minis company right next to a t-shirt booth next to an rpg book only startup. The actual games though is a different story as those were geographically bunched up together (rpg rooms, minis hall, ccg hall, etc).

 warboss wrote:
I can't speak for recent years but in my 15 years of going to gencon I don't recall the dealer's hall being separated into genre regions. You'd have a minis company right next to a t-shirt booth next to an rpg book only startup. The actual games though is a different story as those were geographically bunched up together (rpg rooms, minis hall, ccg hall, etc).

The last few times they were at GenCon the PB booth and the gaming area were seperated by a pretty large distance. They were in different buildings. Whether that was due to cost or what I can't remember. The fact remains that the two locations are in no means close to each other.

 Talizvar wrote:
They seem to bring stacks of RPG books (fairly small space they take up I admit) but if anyone took interest in buying for RRT "one of each" PB would typically have sold 1/3rd of their stock other than the starter boxes.
The company itself seems less optimistic than their fan-friends.

Hmmm.
I will applaud Red Duke's efforts demoing some games, the IP is still something I can enjoy and am desperate to not have PB ruin it for me (denial is a good start).
I may not agree him coordinating with Palladium in those efforts however is a good thing.

The comments by Red Duke about the "haters gonna hate" still seems to have a blind eye to an unfulfilled Kickstarter years late with no end in sight: much anger is justified.
I had no idea Rick was so infamous... but again, much ire toward PB is justified so someone would eventually stand out somewhere.
I like him around, he makes my anti-Palladium rants seem reasonable in comparison

I know we get into the "White Knight" discussions but comments from those folk are painful to read due to tip-toe'ing around the various landmines of Palladium behavior: they are a tough group to try to defend.

I guess Kevin's staff we can feel sorry for: they were stuck in a small box talking to Kevin for days at a time... gives me the willies just thinking about it.

I highly doubt i'm as infamous as WRRD would suggest, since Palladium is the only company I have ever had any ire towards, other companies I either don't care about nor have problems with, it is only with PB but that is because i consider them thieves and con artists, but that is my opinion.

 Mike1975 wrote:


Also, Peter did an awesome job with the SDF-1 and I would not be surprised that he would have a lot of people checking out his display/demo/game.

pictures would have been nice.

 Mike1975 wrote:
To be fair where the games are being held and where the booth is are two very different locations from what I understand.

Also it is totally possible that people who are not backers are interested in RRT but have no interest in the RPG stuff. The last time the PB booth was in the RPG area if I recall correctly and that is not the first place you would look for minis.

Also, Peter did an awesome job with the SDF-1 and I would not be surprised that he would have a lot of people checking out his display/demo/game.

If you're referring to the scheduled games, yes, those tend to be segregated by type. If you're referring to the vendor floor, you're completely wrong. The layout has nothing to do with game types, as evidenced by PB being between FFG and GF9.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I can't speak for recent years but in my 15 years of going to gencon I don't recall the dealer's hall being separated into genre regions. You'd have a minis company right next to a t-shirt booth next to an rpg book only startup. The actual games though is a different story as those were geographically bunched up together (rpg rooms, minis hall, ccg hall, etc).

The last few times they were at GenCon the PB booth and the gaming area were seperated by a pretty large distance. They were in different buildings. Whether that was due to cost or what I can't remember. The fact remains that the two locations are in no means close to each other.

While you are correct in that point above, I'm not referring to that but rather an earlier statement you made. You said

the PB booth was in the RPG area if I recall correctly and that is not the first place you would look for minis.

There to my knowledge has never been an "rpg area" for booths in the vendor's hall going back as far as my trips to the old MECCA center in Milwaukee in the early 90's. It's assigned first come first served based on the size you want and the room available. I've never heard a mention of them grouping booths together by genre (although some related or companies choose to do that themselves if possible).

You probably just mixing up the booth situation and what happened previously wtih palladium's scheduled games (two different screw ups last year iirc). Because palladium didn't want to pony up any cash and partly because they wanted things centralized, they got their minis games assigned to their RPG game rooms... of which were very far from the vendor's hall booth.

vendor floor space is all about who is willing to pay what for what location, once upon a long long time ago there was talk of segregating the vendors area by genre but that was nixed by certain genres as a threat to any foot traffic they might get. now its all about location, you want a big space in a high traffic area, its gonna cost you. meanwhile the same space out in the boonies will cost you but a mere fraction of that.

Merijeek wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
To be fair where the games are being held and where the booth is are two very different locations from what I understand.

Also it is totally possible that people who are not backers are interested in RRT but have no interest in the RPG stuff. The last time the PB booth was in the RPG area if I recall correctly and that is not the first place you would look for minis.

Also, Peter did an awesome job with the SDF-1 and I would not be surprised that he would have a lot of people checking out his display/demo/game.

If you're referring to the scheduled games, yes, those tend to be segregated by type. If you're referring to the vendor floor, you're completely wrong. The layout has nothing to do with game types, as evidenced by PB being between FFG and GF9.

Which is the root of the question.....PB's locale being relatively lonely in no means automatically means that the gaming area is too. The former no one cares about and the latter is run by fans who do. Hence the difference. The point is knowing what one is like should not be taken and assumed that the other is the same way as well.

So, I have my Kickstarter pledge, I think it was the $150 one.. the core game plus a bunch of extra sprues that were free. Is there any chance I would be able to sell these to anyone? It's just collecting dust and I don't think I'll ever get around to building any of the minis much less playing.

about gencon prices.. yeah, they suck, and the more you can pay the more gencon cares about you (typical though, they're a biz after all) but you also have to have made a name for yourself or be a returning customer. Prices they gave me for 1 10x10' square booth is $1800 minimum, $2700 for a corner booth, but since I'm a noob they will only allow me to do a Entrepreneur 1 booth for $1000 unless space opens up for one of the other areas which they don't expect will happen. I'm going to be doing an Entrepreneur booth for next year, I have the funds and could (barely) afford 2 regular booths for extra space, but they said no.

A little cursory Google'ing later, but it seems Gencon isn't very open about what it costs to run a booth. If it's anything like Toronto Fan Exp/Comic Con, yeah, it'll be based on square footage and with some caveats about location (I believe it costs more for a corner booth at our events). It wouldn't surprise me to have some measure of location tier costs, but I think a lot of that is also based on size.

When I was at Gencon last year, a lot of the further / boonies booths were for smaller companies and not generally all that big. I suspect getting a small (10x10 or 100sqft seems to be a standard booth starting point, from reading their documentation about booth associated/included badges provided based on footage).

But yeah, the vendor floor (at least last year) was a mishmash. Dice were all over the place (Chessex was nowhere near Q-Workshop was nowhere near some X-Wing Compatible translucent dice, etc), Dwarven Forge was up front in a snazzy space, T-Shirts were wherever, FFG was wherever they wanted FFG to attract huge crowds that challenged the fire code, etc. I never got a sense that there was a 'minis area' on the vendor floor.

It's probably not identical, but from my experiences at the Toronto events, we're given an option at the end of one show to reserve our same spot for next year, however, that doesn't necessarily mean we'll be in the exact same location. We did that at the end of 2013's Expo, but then in 2014 they had a giant Starcraft 2 tournament that ate up a ton of space, so things got shuffled around. And then in 2015 they were shuffled some more. I get the feeling it's a sort of Tetris approach trying to make routes work and perhaps account for some massive draw 'tent pole' locations or vendors, and it seemed similar at GC.

Trying to sort out the particulars to attend next year, so hopefully I can heartily congratulate PB on finally delivering their outstanding product in person (assuming I can catch the attention of someone other than a volunteer this time)!

 Forar wrote:
Trying to sort out the particulars to attend next year, so hopefully I can heartily congratulate PB on finally delivering their outstanding product in person (assuming I can catch the attention of someone other than a volunteer this time)!

You can ALWAYS talk to Kevin but you cannot go into it with a frown: it will scare him off more than a cross to a vampire.
I have talked to the man twice.
I will say with confidence that unless talking to him in an RPG setting: there is little reason to talk at all.

 Necros wrote:
So, I have my Kickstarter pledge, I think it was the $150 one.. the core game plus a bunch of extra sprues that were free. Is there any chance I would be able to sell these to anyone? It's just collecting dust

Put it on eBay and see what happens. You won't get $150, though...

 Necros wrote:
So, I have my Kickstarter pledge, I think it was the $150 one.. the core game plus a bunch of extra sprues that were free. Is there any chance I would be able to sell these to anyone? It's just collecting dust and I don't think I'll ever get around to building any of the minis much less playing.

I'm still building my stuff, swear it feels like there is no end to this gak, get one batch done and got another batch to go.

that and between my pledge and some friends pledges I put enough money into this project then it was worth.

 Necros wrote:
So, I have my Kickstarter pledge, I think it was the $150 one.. the core game plus a bunch of extra sprues that were free. Is there any chance I would be able to sell these to anyone? It's just collecting dust and I don't think I'll ever get around to building any of the minis much less playing.

about gencon prices.. yeah, they suck, and the more you can pay the more gencon cares about you (typical though, they're a biz after all) but you also have to have made a name for yourself or be a returning customer. Prices they gave me for 1 10x10' square booth is $1800 minimum, $2700 for a corner booth, but since I'm a noob they will only allow me to do a Entrepreneur 1 booth for $1000 unless space opens up for one of the other areas which they don't expect will happen. I'm going to be doing an Entrepreneur booth for next year, I have the funds and could (barely) afford 2 regular booths for extra space, but they said no.

Is that the first year only discounted booth offer to help out the little guy that they were so proud of a few years back when they introduced it? As for robotech, good luck. You're competing with stores with dead stock and the stuff periodically hits the clearance section or equivalent discounts (both at palladium's store and elsewhere). Also, you're effectively selling a bit more than half a pledge by sculpt count (more by sheer model count) which makes it harder. Your best bet would frankly be mike's facebook group as that is where all the non-jaded folks have apparently congregated.

Asterios wrote:
pictures would have been nice.

Here you go:

 Nesbet wrote:

Asterios wrote:
pictures would have been nice.

Here you go:

Spoiler:

not bad, kept expecting something more awesome knowing his work though.

It's awesomely huge!

Pictures don't lie, there are a ton more people on the other side of that room doing non robotech things.

That is a super cool table.

I'm pretty sure I've seen one of those guys at Toronto cons. If it's the one I'm thinking of, I believe he was... I want to say Khyron at Comic Con 2015 or 2014.

Also, gosh, that table looks more impressive with a MAC-II, Lancers, Super VT's in modes I'm pretty sure haven't been officially made...

Almost like having more than just a dozen models to the line really fills things out. >.>

To be fair, pretty much any time a MAC-II is on the board, it's gonna be awesome.

Soo....that table wasn't in the RPG "section" of the gaming area, and PB's booth wasn't in the RPG "section" of the trade floor.

I have no idea where that table was, but there is no "RPG section of the trade floor".

There's a trade floor, and it's full of vendors, and sometimes some of those vendors are near similar vendors, and sometimes they're not.

Edit: this is the Gencon floor map for the Vendors.

Note the "Family Fun Pavilion" and the "Entrepreneurs' Avenue", but there isn't a "CCG lane" or "Board Game Alley" or "Sci-Fi Land".

Looks cool. Thanks for posting the pics here.

I have created 3 new character cards for Robotech RPG tactics: Zeraal, Gorian, and Hiro. These were the final three characters to complete the set of characters from the Robotech: Battlecry video game. Additionally, you can still find the previous special characters I made as well via this link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wgj4zw8uj3sf3r1/AAC__UfAKiMrQ2vJUwmgy-LUa?dl=0

Also, don't forget that the organized play rules packet can still be downloaded there as well. Download the new characters and play them and let me know what you guys think. We've had some interesting games with them and using Zeraal opens up some tactical options for the Zentraedi.

Thanks

I was most impressed seeing all those non-wave 2 models as well.
It is being a bit of a tease fielding those while being "associated" with PB.



No joking around: I too want to know.

A rather sad state of affairs; even those who support them have to collect or make their own from other products.

To do a little concern trolling of my own (tongue in cheek), it'd actually be kind of a shame if someone saw that table, and was excited to see all those figures. Rushing to the booth, they clamour to buy core sets and some Super VT's and FPA and just 'all' the MAC-II's...

Oh. There's just one Super VT figure out of 3. And it's $22 each. Same with the FPA. And there are no MAC-II's outside of the kits and toys and scratch builds others have made.

Just Pods and VT's and most (but not all) of the Destroids.

Well, when's the next wave!

... To Be Determined, eh?

:-(

Nesbet wrote:
Here you go:

I got to admit, I have to give it to the guy for having the imagination and follow through to create that table. I honestly won't have thought of that, but then again, I'm more a ground guy.

I am simultaneously impressed and somewhat appalled by that setup, to be honest. It's creative and the craftsmanship is good to excellent given the limitations the material and probably cost/ time represented, but for a convention-level event, it feels very... low budget. Not trying to insult the guy(s) who put in the effort, it just feels like something you throw together for a more private gaming group for a major event, not a national-level convention.

JohnHwangDD wrote:To be fair, pretty much any time a MAC-II is on the board, it's gonna be awesome.

Well awesome for someone at least..

While I have seen much better con setups (almost always from obsessive historical gamers, god bless them!), I think you're a bit harsh on that Lynx. It's better than anything I've seen for friendly tabletop games that didn't just depend on store terrain and it's definitely above average for gencon as well from my (again somewhat outdated) experience. It's certainly not as good as it could have been if he had spent hundreds of dollars and dozens of hours on it but I think it looks quite nice and is very creative as well.

With these new pics, I decided to check out the ks comments and found this nugget (that likely some of you already know).

Jeff NMI Ruiz about 11 hours ago

All of the RRT events run at Gen Con were sponsored by Palladium and organized through the Megaversal Ambassador's program.
Events run at the booth were run by: tom Roach, mysel, Robert Shewing [sp?] and I believe Brandon Aten ran a few while i was gone.

The scenario book was written by Thomas Roache. It was written on spec and should betting submitted to Kevin

So apparently the episode scenario book is a fan production by the Roach that he's hoping (like his initial rules 4 years ago) will be picked up by Palladium.