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2016/10/10 19:08:10
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I do not really see PB combining any future Rifts Boardgame figures with WAve 2 , however it is possible they could influence Kevin, especially if money is tight or nonexistent.
Okay ths is pure suppostion and feel free to shoot it down.
The new Rifts KS will be a boardgame so my expectation would be that any figures would be detailed but likely to be one piece )ready assembled/) but frm a softer plastic.. Now if this proves cheaper I wonder if Kevin - in the quest for the minimum parts count - will move to this cheaper "softer" model, excusing it on the grounds that it was the only way to get it done.
Most miniature gamers would be upset, but any more so than now and any casual or RPG/boardgamers may well be happy as would be anyone who does not "paint" their minis.
In any event i wonder if there would be any crossover models on offer?
2016/10/10 19:53:18
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
wilycoyote wrote: The new Rifts KS will be a boardgame so my expectation would be that any figures would be detailed but likely to be one piece )ready assembled/) but frm a softer plastic.. Now if this proves cheaper I wonder if Kevin - in the quest for the minimum parts count - will move to this cheaper "softer" model, excusing it on the grounds that it was the only way to get it done.
if its not free PB will not do it, since 1: PB has no money left, 2: PB will not throw good money after bad, they killed the game and even a miracle could not bring it back so PB will not waste money on something they will not make any money from.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/10/11 01:34:03
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
As usual, I will not waste my time commenting Kevin´s non-updates. Hard to say anything else about three sentences saying "we have nothing" too.
Better to play and paint here are some pics of my last battles. Just small battles, not at home and organized in the last minute (that´s the reason for the lack of scnery among other things...)
Well, I can say Gnerls rlz! They are deadly. Paperweight but deadly.
And Nosjaedul-Ger could be useful. They are painfully slow (Movement 5, just as other UEDF mecha but with less range) but have some advantages for example, the Three-Barreled 64mm Grenade Launcher not having the missile rule, preventing the grenades from being taken down. I tried with three NG, but having 6 or 9 shooting grenades at the same time could be awesome (to kill UEDF, obviously xD). Other positive thing about NG is that they are cheap in points, by Zentraedi standards, having sooo much MDC (lol) and also that they have PIL 3, so boosting their movement is very easy and not so risky, gambling the command points.
And here is some progress in the first Gnerls. Waiting for the other 6 to arrive here
Until next time
2016/10/11 14:44:52
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
The point is playing it. The game is dead, PB sucks and we will probably not getting wave 2 minis ever. But that does NOT stop you from playing the game and having a good time.
At least I, have played plenty of games since I started with this, back on March 2015. I can say I play it more regularly than WHFB back in the day. And I see in the almost-near future that I'll finish painting my RRT miniatures, so I can move on (not even close with my chaos warriors BTW). And slowly finish my zentraedi armada with the 3D printed models that are coming these days!
@Swabby: thanks. I'm liking how this scheme is turning out for the Gnerls. Yesterday I bough some different stylographs to panel the Gnerls later There are awesome miniatures coming every week in shapeways. Specially if you use UEDF xD
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2016/10/13 18:59:05
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
One small spark is I got the kids into watching Robotech on Netflix since they are on the Canadian version as well.
They are showing interest in the game/toys I got.
I am almost done my Bolt Action stuff so can move-on to other projects: GW Deathwatch or Robotech all armies.
My 12 year old boy is taking a cooking class tonight... I am unsure of his priorities.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2016/10/14 07:40:02
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Don't be. Women love a guy that can cook. The sad fact is, he will get better use out of that skill than the ability to play a game that, thanks to PB, was stillborn.
And then when you're old enough to need care, it'll be a godsend that he can make you a decent meal.
He sounds to me like a real forward-looking youngster, he'll make you proud.
"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes…then all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." Commander sinclair, Babylon 5.
Bobtheinquisitor wrote:what is going on with APAC shipping? If Macross Island were real, they'd be the last place to get any Robotechnology.
2016/10/14 14:04:25
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Conrad Turner wrote: Talizvar,
Don't be. Women love a guy that can cook. The sad fact is, he will get better use out of that skill than the ability to play a game that, thanks to PB, was stillborn.
And then when you're old enough to need care, it'll be a godsend that he can make you a decent meal.
He sounds to me like a real forward-looking youngster, he'll make you proud.
Hehehe, what got him interested is when daddy pushed grandma out of the way in the kitchen a few times recently and cooked.
She keeps trying to make the family think I know only how to make spaghetti so I have to prove her wrong because she is the in-law (plus my cooking "from scratch" is a little more than hers which seems to bug her).
But the little dude copies daddy a bit so knowing I can cook he wanted to as well.
They build stuff and paint so coming back to the hobbies will happen eventually.
When you get old enough in life, you wonder if all that hobby stuff that was important to you would get used later.
Robotech is certainly something you can be unsure how much effort to put into it since as a brand it looks like it is dying out.
Netflix is giving a bit of a boost more than I anticipated.
I am a bit like my father where we each developed a fair number of skills and really want to pass them on to the kids.
It is troubling when you cannot get them to take an interest due to something as simple as a generation gap.
Computer/game system games seem to be the greater draw due to being immediately rewarding.
Thank goodness other friends of theirs "like" geeky stuff due to their dads being more successful than I in getting their interest.
They are becoming horrified that I am making connections with these fathers and finding other people to game with... who knew?
No worries, some know of Robotech and are interested in playing.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2016/10/14 16:03:32
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
If PB delivered and supported the game as a "flagship" game for their company, how successful do you believe it would have been?
Personally, I think it would have had only a moderate success - it is competing against Battletech and Heavy Gear after all and the design space for expanding the units would have hit a real wall. I do think they would have been able to use it to easily float their company along for a couple years milking the models (not in the way they are now of not producing and riding out the funds - as in actually making things and riding that money train).
The more I think about it, I think the game would have had serious issues once it got (gets?) to Southern Cross and the New Generation/Shadow Chronicles due to the scale of those vehicles. Rescaling would have likely disaffected everyone who bought in at the beginning as nobody likes to watch their old stuff be invalidated and you have to rebuy it to use it. Leaving things as-is scalewise would have seen models too small to be of value, and mixed scale would probably have been the way to go, but pleased no one.
It never ends well
2016/10/14 21:01:59
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I agree that it would have been much more successful and would also predict it to be in that solid second tier of popular games instead of relegated to the crap no one plays it third tier it currently festers in. I don't think it would ever be popular enough to crack the top five ICV2 rankings, knocking out one of the big boys like 40k/warmahorders/Fantasy-AOS/Xwing. I'd put it around Battletech as well but maybe a bit higher since it could theoretically capitalize on not just nostalgia alone but also easily learned rules and nice yet easy to put together minis and way above HG (and even DZC). You'd see it occasionally played by chance but if you wanted to play it regularly then you'd have to put in some minor effort to organize (not just show up and play like the top 5 sometimes are). YMMV. That is of course peering into the ether at an alternate universe where palladium gave a damn beyond just cashing the initial check and were competent enough to not just make a solid initial product as well as support it properly after the fact. What we have now is an ultrasuccessful kickstarter resulting in an ultimate failure of a project despite that.
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2016/10/15 03:27:25
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Try and think positively about PB and what could have been and you rapidly find yourself going "Nah, it never had a chance."
Try to imagine, for example, if they could have leveraged the story side of the game. What I mean is, instead of it being a straight up wargame, they had somehow actually manage to have incorporated the soap opera aspects - Rick isn't just out on the table to blow away Zents; he's fighting to stay alive to return to Minmey as doubts about his own skill drive him to more and more desperate acts as the unending waves of Zents close in on him...
I don't know - for it to have worked, it might have come across as more of a co-operative game like Zombicide or Dead of Winter, where everyone is playing UEDF against AI-run Zents, and everyone has their own objectives to complete besides just blowing away the enemy.
It never ends well
2016/10/15 08:14:25
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Things are boiling for Robotech® RPG Tactics™. We’ll reveal more when things are nailed down. We are continuing to post new game cards every day on DriveThruRPG.com and working on what comes next. Still waiting on manufacturer quotes.
Just for the record, quick keyword search for "quote" in PBWU's.
Oct 6 - "Still waiting on manufacturer quotes."
Sep 29 - Not Applicable.
Sep 22 - "We are still waiting on a couple of manufacturing quotes"
Sep 14 - "We are still waiting on a couple of manufacturing quotes"
Sep 9 - "Apparently that one quote for manufacturing is going to take awhile"
Sep 2 - "Otherwise, still waiting for that price quote "
Aug 26 - "Wayne and I had a promising discussion with a gentleman if we decide to go one way with manufacturing, and we are waiting on a quote for another. "
Aug 19 - "We have a telephone call to discuss manufacturing options next week and are waiting for a quote from someone else."
Aug 12 - "Getting a few quotes and focusing in on a number of areas for Robotech® RPG Tactics™. This ain’t just talk." < Yeah, I think it kinda fething is.
That's the first mention of quotes on the PBWU. So, today marks two months of that particular line of bullgak.
Here's the points from prior that aren't about their standard advertising, the DTRPG cards, promoting conventions or anything to do with "future products" that aren't Wave 2 based. ie, information for the backers.
Jul 29 - "There has also been a lot of discussion about Robotech® RPG Tactics™ (RRT) and all the things we will be doing for it in the weeks ahead."
Jul 22 - "prepping and planning for Robotech® RPG Tactics™."
Jul 15 - "More information and support coming after we finalize the groundwork for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the releases of RRT Wave Two, and beyond."
Jul 8 - "We have been rather silent these past few months because we have been plotting the groundwork for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and the releases of RRT Wave Two and beyond. We did not want to talk about details until we had worked out a lot of them. I’m glad we didn’t, because things have changed several times and certain plans did not work out. "
Jul 1 - Not Applicable.
Jun 24 - "We are in the process of making a determination as to whether we can release Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two game pieces with much fewer component parts, for fast, easy builds. We do not want to say anything more until we are certain of all the details, which we hope to have in a few weeks."
June 17 - "Juggling a lot, including what’s next for Robotech® RPG Tactics™. It is definitely not forgotten or abandoned by Palladium. Things are boiling. More in a week or two. Much more to come." < So much wankery in such short a space. June 9 - "I know some of you fear that Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is forgotten or abandoned by Palladium. It is most definitely not. We have been continuing to look into ways to produce figures with much fewer parts and deliver a high quality product you will love. We’re looking into something very exciting right now through a third party."
June 3 - "We are building up for much, much more for Robotech® RPG Tactics™."
May 25 - "We are looking into some new possibilities and gearing up for more about Robotech® RPG Tactics™,"
May 19 - "We are looking into some new possibilities and gearing up for more about Robotech® RPG Tactics™, "
May 12 - "We are looking into some new possibilities and gearing up for more about Robotech® RPG Tactics™,"
May 6 - "We are looking into some new possibilities and gearing up for more about Robotech® RPG Tactics™," < Hmm.... similar. April 29 - "As we said in the last update, we are gearing up for more Robotech® RPG Tactics™, "
April 26 - "As we said in the last update, we are gearing up for more Robotech® RPG Tactics™,"
April 14 - "We’re gearing up for more Robotech® RPG Tactics™. Here are some photos of prototypes for the SDF-1, Armored Valkyrie and YF-4 in all three modes. More to come."
April 8 - "As Wayne may have mentioned to some of you, we recently got some tooling quotes for Wave Two, and we’re discussing piece breakdown with the manufacturer. More to come as things continue to percolate on this front on several different levels." <Oooh! We have Quote Sign! March 29 - "In development. Things continue to percolate on this front on many different levels. "
March 24 - "In development. Things are brewing on this front on several different levels. Oh, and please note that we’ll have the SDF-1, the Armored Valkyrie, and all three modes of the YF-4 on display at AdeptiCon. And, of course, we’ll share them online too. The couple of announcements we had secretly hoped to make there will have to wait, as details are yet to be finalized."
March 17 - "In development. Things are brewing on this front on several different levels. Oh, and please note that we’ll have the SDF-1, and hopefully all three modes of the YF-4 and the Armored Valkyrie on display at AdeptiCon. And, of course, we’ll share them online too. The couple of announcements we had secretly hoped to make there will have to wait, as details are yet to be finalized."
March 10 - Not Applicable.
March 3 - " I’d like to say more about our plans for Robotech® RPG Tactics™, but until we have a number of things nailed down and concrete I just can’t do so."
Feb 25 - " I’d like to say more about our plans for Robotech® RPG Tactics™, but until we have a number of things nailed down and concrete I just can’t do so."
Feb 18 - " We spent a lot of time discussing, plotting and considering a vast number of things for Rifts® and Robotech® RPG Tactics, in particular, as well as a number of other things."
Feb 12, an important day in that it's more than a single line of importance. I highlighted what I consider important bits.
Spoiler:
"I know many of you would love to see some hard details and images right now, and we would love to provide them. However, we are still exploring different possibilities which could mean retooling and changing up the engineering that has already been in progress. We don’t want to show you things that may be changed. When there is a final resolve, and more concrete details, we will most definitely show you images and keep you apprised of progress and plans.
As for our work on other Palladium game titles, we have commitments to our fan base for other Palladium RPG lines(*), not just Robotech®. We are trying to get a number of products out for everybody. If it seems like the emphasis is on sourcebooks other than Robotech® RPG Tactics™, it is because books are faster to turn around, especially since we print them in the USA. It sure does NOT mean RRT has been tossed to the wayside. Far from it. Things are moving on all fronts. We’ll be keeping you posted as details are nailed down."
* Just for the record, that commitment has to date produced one, count it, ONE book. Also, people will be shocked, SHOCKED, I TELL YOU! that the promised Halloween book, Hell Followed, for Dark Reign, has been pushed back from end of month to mid next month. I bet you're all speechless at that happening, and are 100% confident it can't possibly be delayed again. After all, PB have commitments to their fan base!
Feb 4 - "This week there has been a lot of discussions and planning about new Robotech® product releases and the ideas, products and people to help us facilitate our plans as we put them in place. Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is our top priority for 2016 and 2017, but there are a lot of moving pieces and we want our next push to really deliver. We’ll be keeping you posted as details are nailed down."
Jan 29, another important update regarding RRT, with special highlights again.
Spoiler:
"As I have stated in recent Weekly Updates on our website, Palladium Books has renewed its Robotech® game license and we intend to move Robotech® RPG Tactics™ forward in 2016 in a big way. I want to get the Wave Two Kickstarter exclusives and expansion packs into manufacturing, and ultimately into your hands, as soon as we can.
Despite the fear and apprehension of some, I want to assure you that our Kickstarter backers have never been out of our thoughts, and Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two is coming. As I have stated, for strategic and business reasons we have been unable to share with you everything Palladium has been exploring, considering and working on. As you know, one of the things we have been doing is looking into and considering possible ways to reduce part counts and make the game pieces easier to put together. As we get into actual production and manufacturing for Wave Two this year, we will share plenty with you. And we think you’ll be pleased. Considering all the delays and frustration of the past, we do not want to even speculate on release dates and other details until we have hard, solid information we are confident with ourselves.
In the Spring we expect to be able to share with you much more details, information, progress reports and offer up new material on a regular basis. We’ll have some new data and material sooner, but I don’t think things will really begin to heat up before Spring or Summer. We want Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two and fulfillment of our Kickstarter obligations more than anyone. It’s coming."
Jan 22 - "We expect to be able to move Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave 2 along much more quickly now,"
Jan 15 - "2016 is only two weeks old and it is shaping up to be one of the best and most exciting years in a decade. Exciting for you and us, because we anticipate a large number of new RPG sourcebooks to be released throughout the year. We also expect to relaunch Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and get Wave Two expansion packs and Kickstarter exclusives into final manufacturing."
Jan 15 again - "We intend to move Robotech® RPG Tactics™ forward in 2016 in a big way. To get the Wave Two Kickstarter exclusives and expansion packs into manufacturing and ultimately into your hands. For strategic and business reasons we cannot share with you everything we have been exploring, considering and working on, but we will share everything with you as we move forward and get things finalized. With all the past delays and frustration, we don’t want to even speculate on release dates and other details until we have hard, complete information ourselves. But we will be sharing and offering more throughout the year in the weeks and months ahead."
Jan 8 - "2016 Robotech® RPG Tactics. We renewed the Robotech® license and look forward to getting RRT Wave Two into your hands and onto store shelves. I’ll offer up more info and details in an update in the next few weeks. More Robotech® sourcebooks are in the pipeline, too." >< Yeah, still waiting, jackass.
And that's the year so far in Robotech Tactics world (Nothing in the Dec 30, 2015 PBWU). And six Kickstarter Updates, most of which was long on words, but short on anything informative. Anyways, I need to go take a shower. I feel unclean having waded through all that bullgak.
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2016/10/15 10:51:07
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Hope you have a stiff wire bristle brush and plenty of lye soap.
Unbelievable. Seeing it laid out like that with the blatant cut and pastes next to one another really underscores the fact that This Is Not Happening(TM).
Thanks for putting that together.
2016/10/15 14:30:19
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Morgan Vening wrote: As for our work on other Palladium game titles, we have commitments to our fan base for other Palladium RPG lines(*), not just Robotech®.
this part just irks me, what about their commitments to the people who already paid for product over 3 years ago ?
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/10/15 15:27:59
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Sad to realize there is a huge Robotech thread here I have missed.
I'll just join in to see what people are talking about. Like a lot of people here I've been a huge Robotech fan for decades...and blindly jumped in on the Kickstarter, despite it being run by Siembeda/Palladium. I figured the game would tank after release but as a Robotech fan in the United States you simply take what you can get your hands on ---- Palladium has let the Robotech IP flounder into garbage for the past 20 years.
I bought in big (a double order) on the Kickstarter and then purchased my buddy's double order as well when he wanted to back out. As such I'm sitting on a gargantuan amount of basic boxes. I haven't bothered opening them because I simply assume we'll never get Wave 2. I've no interest in playing half of Robotech/Macross. The game is dead to me until all of the units are released.
I won't be playing the game as it looks a bit crap, but I will be designing my own game. I used to run a 1/200 scale fan-based game at conventions and it was a lot of fun. However at $30 a model, the 1/200 stuff was tough and had a lot of product gaps (even with 3D printed alternatives).
Add me to the list of people who are furious with Kevin and his nonsense emails.
2016/10/15 17:04:09
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Y'know, if we take it at face value at how often RRT has been "boiling", the blasted thing would have evaporated by now.
Oh wait.
Anyhow, speculating on the possible future if the line had been properly supported...
It won't replace 40k or Warmahorde, but it had an advantage: it has a good deal of backstory that could draw people in, and there are a lot of stories in the Second and Third generations that could be the basis for games. And there is always the Sentinels/ Haydonites to generate material for more units.
Properly husbanded and grown, the game could become a good staple. But, to be honest, it would have taken PB down a street they hadn't travelled and they would have needed to change a lot to work it. Evidently, not happening.
2016/10/16 23:46:24
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I finally pulled out the crate of stuff, and I definitely don't need 4.
might help those interested if they knew how much you were looking to get for them, also if too high it might give us something to laugh at other then how this whole affair is going with PB.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/10/17 04:16:10
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
