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Be careful what you wish for... Look at Kevin.. He wished for a big pile of money and got it...
Now people expect him to actually do something for it...

Let's be fair here - if anyone should be able to correctly word a wish without getting shafted it should be a gamer.

It's just that Kevin can't do anything right.

I just realized Palladium games has a twitter page.. Not sure how it works but notice it is about the only social media place the RTT ranters don't post..
The Kick Starter and their face book page is always full of people asking what is going on with it years later. It is impossible for them
not to know the community is very outraged with them and wonder how Kevin can sleep at night..

One of the funniest thing I read though was someone thought that Kevin had Alzheimers, listing facts why he thought that...

But honestly... I got rid of all my stuff and even if I got everything I was owed tomorrow the game is dead to me.
I did feel disgusted when I saw that the RTT kick starter was the highest amount that I ever backed of any other one. And
it put me off of future kick starters like the Chaosium's new Cthulhu books that actually was completed long ago..

Oh no. While Chaosium has produced good stuff with their KS (again, something PB hasn't) they were absurdly late, cancelled all the not-a-book-or-card stuff, and still haven't finished producing or shipping a last few things.

So, again, while they will actually finish their KS relatively soonish, they also blew it. Of course in their case, Charlie Krank, the guy responsible (and who had his minion actively post actually 100% false lies in updates) managed to lose his job/ownership of the company.

It'd be funny if Kickstarter just baked delays into estimates.

"How long do you think this project will take?"

"About six months."

"Let's put you down for a year."

"No no, we'll totally be done in two quarters!"

"Oh, really? Let's make that 2 years."

Like, you could be asking for $5 to photocopy some fridge art and they still wouldn't let you use a timeline of less than a year.

I think most don't do their home work or don't realize what is involved..
As with RTT, Palladium games did not have a back ground in making plastic miniatures
and thought it was easy as calling a company in china and saying send me a 1000

Things like product testing and minimum order size is normal practice for manufacturing
but seems crazy to someone that don't know what color they want..

I think that is what bit Kevin in the butt.. he saw a price break at larger order numbers
then thought he could sale everything by the truck load and make buckets of money

You also have to keep in mind it's doubtful that they understood the idea that KickStarter is not a pre-order system. In a vacuum of ignorance, you could see that 5,300+ people were willing to give money sight-unseen to the product. If you then decided that based on your decades of experience in the gaming business (and how someone on your staff explained the idea of Kickstarter using the hand puppets), that this was the same as a pre-order and pre-orders represent 40-50% (number made up) of what you typically sell in the first months of release then you would want to double-up the order. That would practically be money in the bank, because you're going to sell through those to retail and be golden.

The problem is outside of the vacuum of ignorance, the KS model seems to more often be very front-loaded versus pre-orders, especially with large, well-publicized products that cater to a specific niche (in this case, people who remember Robotech/Macross and are also miniatures gamers). While there are projects that go on to enjoy retail success as well, it's seeming to be more the exception than the rule. Many anecdotes of store owners align with this theory that much of the initial market demand is sated by the project itself, so subsequent sales are often disappointing; never mind the delays and ill-will that companies often engender along the way.

So I can see where PB would have thought it was a "safe bet" to go for the larger order. A scenario based on them not actually understanding how anything made after 1989 works seems to be a contender at any rate.

You make some good points but the issue with RTT is that Palladium (lets be more accurate Kevin) made a flwed judgement when it came to first spitting the production into two waves and then going overboard on wave 1.

The first decision pushed up their costs - simply postage already underestimated was probably doubling. I suspect that this then prompted Kevin into the poor deceision to overproduce wave 1, in the hope that retail sales woukd offset these costs - I concede thatt it may have also be maginally cheaper to have a larger initial run

The result is an unforseen massive overspend on their part, that they cannot finamce. Hence, the continuous stall tactics we have all become familiar with over the last months or more. This is, at least in my opinion , unlikely to change in the coming year.

Palladium and Kevin know they cannot pay for Wave 2 - and have known this for years - and hope above hope that we simply fade into apathy and go away

wilycoyote wrote:
Palladium and Kevin know they cannot pay for Wave 2 - and have known this for years - and hope above hope that we simply fade into apathy and go away

They have succeeded.
But it is a mixed thing since this is the biggest captive audience they have had in decades.
I guess they are hoping we play a "real" game like RPGs.
Since the KS this is the most "relevant" they have been for ages.
Their main brainpower is being spent trying to figure out how to do something like this again but convince everyone "this time is different".
To pre-emptively ban the naysayers would be a wanted thing so saps... er, "customers" fall into the trap of the insanely long PB pre-order delay.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kev sees Kingdom Death 1.5 doing well and thinks a second kickstarter is a good idea.

Ha, Forar, my wife just noticed your "Cakes Cove". You should send Kev some of your "Lumps of Coal" - but not the good kind.

Thanks for checking the site out, Stormonu!

One of the other two guys I backed with as a group works for the shop, and all three of us occasionally attend conventions to sell snacks at. Whenever we see Robotech stuff, it's kind of an in-joke between us.

A really, really unfunny in-joke.

I suppose there is always the wait till the PB weekly post...

I just reviewed my list of wargaming accomplishment sin 2016. At the beginning of the year, it was to just assemble my RRT stuff.

At the end of 2016, I haven;t even opened the boxes. I feel a bit like Palladium.

 Easy E wrote:
I just reviewed my list of wargaming accomplishment sin 2016. At the beginning of the year, it was to just assemble my RRT stuff.

At the end of 2016, I haven;t even opened the boxes. I feel a bit like Palladium.

Unless you have about 5000 people mad at you .. your not even close...

 Genoside07 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
I just reviewed my list of wargaming accomplishment sin 2016. At the beginning of the year, it was to just assemble my RRT stuff.

At the end of 2016, I haven;t even opened the boxes. I feel a bit like Palladium.

Unless you have about 5000 people mad at you .. your not even close...

This thread never fails to entertain. ^_^

My 2017 goal is to finish painting my RRT. Of course, that was my 2016 goal. And 2015...

 Ctaylor wrote:

My 2017 goal is to finish painting my RRT. Of course, that was my 2016 goal. And 2015...

Interestingly enough... if you take out "painting my" then you have Palladium's supposed goal for those years plus 2014 and 2013! I hope you've gotten more work done towards completion than they have.

It is an impossible task. We still don't have half our stuff.

 warboss wrote:

 Ctaylor wrote:

My 2017 goal is to finish painting my RRT. Of course, that was my 2016 goal. And 2015...

Interestingly enough... if you take out "painting my" then you have Palladium's supposed goal for those years plus 2014 and 2013! I hope you've gotten more work done towards completion than they have.

And while I hope your paints are at least room temp, I hope they aren't boiling!

Here's do a great 2017 - and the successful delivery of Wave 2!

 Alpharius wrote:
Here's do a great 2017 - and the successful delivery of Wave 2!

Oh the pain!
Read this line and coughed coffee up my nose... it burns!
Your optimism is impressive.

 Alpharius wrote:
Here's do a great 2017 - and the successful delivery of Wave 2!

I think this just about sums up the matter;

Breaking news from the Palladium Weekly Grab Bag shill... I mean update.... random guy comes to the office and reveals that Kevin is (just like) Santa!

so I’m out there doing my thing and he says, “Wow, you really are like Santa. You’re even checking the list twice.”

Anyone else feel like they've gotten lumps of multi-part coal for years for nicely funding this project?

I'm sure the staff enjoyed having lights and heat on for the office party.
They probably forgot what the place looks like, having learned to navigate by feel.

Well...while I really do hope that Wave 2 gets delivered eventually (but probably not in 2017!), I was playing that mostly for laughs, and you guys did not disappoint!

Talizvar wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Here's do a great 2017 - and the successful delivery of Wave 2!

Oh the pain!
Read this line and coughed coffee up my nose... it burns!
Your optimism is impressive.

Forar wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Here's do a great 2017 - and the successful delivery of Wave 2!

I think this just about sums up the matter;

warboss wrote:Breaking news from the Palladium Weekly Grab Bag shill... I mean update.... random guy comes to the office and reveals that Kevin is (just like) Santa!

so I’m out there doing my thing and he says, “Wow, you really are like Santa. You’re even checking the list twice.”

Anyone else feel like they've gotten lumps of multi-part coal for years for nicely funding this project?

n815e wrote:I'm sure the staff enjoyed having lights and heat on for the office party.
They probably forgot what the place looks like, having learned to navigate by feel.

EXALTS FOR EVERYONE!!!

This thread does serve a purpose - other than updating everyone on the occasional bits of 'news' here - it is a...venting ground...a place to laugh...a place to cry...

...a place to...dream...

OK, OK...

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone - I'm off to watch some old school Gaiking episodes!

(Man, I wish someone would make a game based off of all the late 70's giant robot stuff...)

If you like Gundam

https://www.facebook.com/groups/780369415405754/?hc_location=ufi

He is at a bit of a snag at the moment, but supposedly he already has rights from BanDai. I'm watching with interest.

I will laugh so hard if this guy can get the game done and released before PB finishes wave 2.

 Alpharius wrote:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone - I'm off to watch some old school Gaiking episodes!

(Man, I wish someone would make a game based off of all the late 70's giant robot stuff...)

Mekton or Mekton II is the place to be for Shogun, Gundam style 70's - 80's robots.

 Forar wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Here's do a great 2017 - and the successful delivery of Wave 2!

I think this just about sums up the matter;

not for me I'm about quit of this fiasco of a joke, all thats left is my destroid lots and once those are gone it will be all gone and out of my hair.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukkah, my fellow Malcontents!

 warboss wrote:
Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukkah, my fellow Malcontents!

Bah Humbug ! ! !

And with the PBWU being truly banal drek, and no KSU, we have hit a really pathetic milestone. Today marks the 105th day without an Update. The single longest period without one, since the campaign started. Given that the previous record was set this year (104 from April 15th to July 28th), this mean since that April 15th Update, there have been two Updates in 254 days. That's almost a full month longer than this entire campaign was supposed to last (225 days).

Here's a list and quick review of those posts.
July 28th - Starting with "We apologize for the 3 months of MIA" and ending with "You’ll start to see more happening soon.", with very little of note, and nothing concrete, in between.
Sept 10th - Starting with "Hey, guys. It’s Wayne. Sorry for the long silence." and ending with "Whenever there are major announcements or significant developments, I will of course post them here.", with at least the mention of the DTRPG cards.
And that's it.

So, nothing of significance, and even smaller things (like the announcement that the DTRPG thing is complete, for those people interested in getting those once they were finished) not worthy of an update. It looks like they're punting on any news until they get the announcement they're expecting regarding manufacturing (that it's fallen through), at the end of January. Which given PB, will probably be delayed. And will likely give no idea (+/- 6 months) on a finish date, or even an estimate on the next estimate.

Just a reminder, the last thing on the front page of the Kickstarter, before the FAQ.

It is our commitment to you, the Kickstarter backers, that we will maintain consistent communication throughout the process. This means regular updates, product photos, and plenty of behind the scenes insight as we complete the creation of Robotech® RPG Tactics™.

For someone who's job relies on the written word, Palladium's seeming inability to understand "consistent", "sorry" or "soon", shows a severe lapse in knowledge. Either that, or they're liars.

Because they can continue to "we are working on it" for eternity.. with no other than internet rants that they never read or care about.
Look at their past history with "pre order books" you have people willing to prebuy the book and still no rush to get it done.

I hate to say it but I think we will see something bad happen to Kevin first.. then Palladium goes either bankrupt or just closes instead of seeing
anything from wave 2..

There was so much hope for this.. I planned to use the miniatures for robotech RPG; wanted to see scaled cyclone miniatures, so many low
hanging fruit; but they would instead just ignore it and hopes everything goes away.. All the time spending the money to buy another animation cel
or vintage action figure.. Because those are always great investments...