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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/24 19:50:04
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Because I think you all could appreciate this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4ZwfDzD3Dg
Season's Greetings.
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Tau and Space Wolves since 5th Edition. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/24 22:44:02
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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The New Miss Macross!
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Sweet, thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/26 07:42:30
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Merry Christmas all - wish you all the best for the holiday season.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 02:46:52
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Unteroffizier
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Given Kevin's exwife still has a share in the company from their divorce I dont know what she would do with it in the event of his demise. I doubt she would go to the effort of keeping it going. Sell it off perhaps, first preference to a fan/s?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 03:17:33
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Sinewy Scourge
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evilsmurf wrote:Given Kevin's exwife still has a share in the company from their divorce I dont know what she would do with it in the event of his demise. I doubt she would go to the effort of keeping it going. Sell it off perhaps, first preference to a fan/s?
Quick, someone buy her out and take the reigns of the company and get us our stuff. I'm sure she'd give it away for a song just to cheese KS off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/27 05:16:53
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Actually Maryann is usually very quick to defend kevin and his decisions in regards to all things Palladium.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/28 18:46:48
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Inexperienced VF-1A Valkyrie Brownie
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Palladium most likely has a negative net worth.
The company struggles to stay afloat. I have no clue how much debt it is carrying, but Kevin has admitted there is debt (prior to kickstarter).
It sits on a lot of dead stock.
Would anyone with any sense actually want to own it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/28 23:16:00
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The sad thing is I reckon the IP and licenses PB sit on are actually capable of carrying a company fairly well.
It's only really ineptitude and unwillingness to move with the times that's holding them back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/28 23:56:43
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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winterdyne wrote:The sad thing is I reckon the IP and licenses PB sit on are actually capable of carrying a company fairly well.
It's only really ineptitude and unwillingness to move with the times that's holding them back.
It really does feel like that, doesn't it?
Like they're doing the BARE MINIMUM to just 'survive' rather than working hard to actually thrive...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/29 01:19:10
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Alpharius wrote:winterdyne wrote:The sad thing is I reckon the IP and licenses PB sit on are actually capable of carrying a company fairly well.
It's only really ineptitude and unwillingness to move with the times that's holding them back.
It really does feel like that, doesn't it?
Like they're doing the BARE MINIMUM to just 'survive' rather than working hard to actually thrive...
Not unexpected, basking in past glories is typical for people once they reach Kevin's age. He's not interested in creating new glories and playing the game but content about telling the world about the few touchdowns that he did make.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/29 02:34:07
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Knight of the Inner Circle
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I figured out who Kevin is related to...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/29 20:31:23
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Sir, you besmirch the Bundy name with that remark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 03:07:44
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Innocent SDF-1 Bridge Bunny
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To save you guys from the update:
"Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Robotech® is getting hotter and hotter. It is the Number One Anime on Crackle, the Robotech® movie from Sony Pictures sounds like it is going to be become a reality, more Robotech® licensed products are appearing, and Palladium is gearing up toward the release of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two and more Robotech® products. Ah, but the core game and expansion packs to get you started are available right now.
Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is a fast-paced, tabletop combat game that captures the action and adventure of the Robotech® anime. Two or more players can engage in small squad skirmishes or scale up to massive battles. Relive the clashes of the First Robotech War, engage in stand-alone tactical games, or use the dynamic game pieces to enhance your Robotech® RPG experience. Or simply collect your favorite mecha from an expanding range of top-notch game pieces. Get yours now."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 03:10:44
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Dakka Veteran
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Well, we can add "expanding" to the growing list of words that Kevin doesn't actually know the meaning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 03:42:27
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Swabby wrote:"Robotech® is getting hotter and hotter. It is the Number One Anime on Crackle"
Yeah, so after several statements by PB on this, I finally went looking. Robotech doesn't appear on the Crackle website, at least under an easily findable method. Several links from other sites that popped up in Google that lead to Crackle end up in 404 errors.
And a quick look around Crackle doesn't show Only 9 Anime shows do, and excusing that I'm not a big fan, I recognize none of them. Looking at the rest of their catalog, and it's quite underwhelming. 22 tv shows in total, and less than 120 movies. Granted, it's a free service, but still....
So, to sum up, PB's claim is the very definition of a "big fish, small pond" scenario, setting the conditions so that it's technically accurate, and even then is wrong, by it being, you know, broken. So, totally and completely a PB move.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 04:09:31
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Innocent SDF-1 Bridge Bunny
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Might as well be saying that Robotech is the #1 anime in Siberia. It means nothing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 04:56:23
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Dakka Veteran
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Swabby wrote:Might as well be saying that Robotech is the #1 anime in Siberia. It means nothing.
Exactly. But that's the Palladium way. Controlling the criteria and twisting things to make it seem like things are much different than they are. The infamous 99% of PB fans thinking PB were going in the right direction one from the Open House (because people who didn't, weren't really fans, and it was all done "secretly" so as not to bias the poll). Or the GenCon vote, where if you didn't vote, it counted for their position (even though a large number of backers have NEVER commented).
I understand a company wanting to put the best spin on things, but PB take their contortionism of facts to ludicrous levels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 05:51:49
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Morgan Vening wrote: Swabby wrote:"Robotech® is getting hotter and hotter. It is the Number One Anime on Crackle"
Yeah, so after several statements by PB on this, I finally went looking. Robotech doesn't appear on the Crackle website, at least under an easily findable method. Several links from other sites that popped up in Google that lead to Crackle end up in 404 errors.
And a quick look around Crackle doesn't show Only 9 Anime shows do, and excusing that I'm not a big fan, I recognize none of them. Looking at the rest of their catalog, and it's quite underwhelming. 22 tv shows in total, and less than 120 movies. Granted, it's a free service, but still....
So, to sum up, PB's claim is the very definition of a "big fish, small pond" scenario, setting the conditions so that it's technically accurate, and even then is wrong, by it being, you know, broken. So, totally and completely a PB move.
On Crackle, if you go to "TV" and scroll down, it show right there on the 5th row (also, selecting "Anime" from the genre list puts it as the second series available. I did notice, however, you can't search for it unless you've already selected "TV". Overall, wasn't hard to find.
Still, the fact it isn't making enough money that it's showing up on a free TV does not inspire confidence. For most companies, if you IP has value, you don't give it away for free (must be how PB can afford it, I guess).
And a Robotech movie is about as likely as a Rifts movie, and far more likely than Wave 2. I will say, after having watched the Battleship Yamato live-action movie, I hope a live-action Robotech is never made. It'll be a mess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 06:00:29
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Pustulating Plague Priest
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I had to check the meaning of dynamic in case I'd been using it incorrectly, as I believe it better describes their excuses than their miniatures.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 06:57:22
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Stormonu wrote:On Crackle, if you go to "TV" and scroll down, it show right there on the 5th row (also, selecting "Anime" from the genre list puts it as the second series available. I did notice, however, you can't search for it unless you've already selected "TV". Overall, wasn't hard to find.
Still, the fact it isn't making enough money that it's showing up on a free TV does not inspire confidence. For most companies, if you IP has value, you don't give it away for free (must be how PB can afford it, I guess).
And a Robotech movie is about as likely as a Rifts movie, and far more likely than Wave 2. I will say, after having watched the Battleship Yamato live-action movie, I hope a live-action Robotech is never made. It'll be a mess.
OK, I'll accept your word on it that it's still available. It must be one of those stupid geo-blocking things and it's not available in Australia, because I just checked again, and it's not showing up (and like I said, direct links from other sites gave a 404 error). So... way to artificially limit your audience, Crackle. That's a very Palladium thing to do.
And on the movie front, absolutely. It COULD be done well. The technology IS there. But it's way more likely to be screwed up in some significant manner (see Transformers, several iterations of TMNT, Speed Racer, DragonBall Z) than it is to be good. Also, given fans tend to be purists, significant deviations might also see the same kind of backlash we see when a studio doesn't take that into account. Gender, orientation or racial swaps (the latter being open for huge amounts of irony), or a completely different backstory could be controversial.
Hell, just updating the mecha to a different form could be problematic. With F-14's not being in service for over a decade (iconic, but still outdated, putting it in the same category as VW Beetle/Bumblebee), and the intellectual property of Northrop Grumman. It's one thing to fudge around that with cartoons, but unless they have that license locked in (and happening before international copyrights were enforced heavily), I can see a live action version being potentially litigious. Speaking of, most reports mention Sony acquiring the rights to Robotech, but until I see a press release saying that it was with BOTH parties that claim ownership, I'll still be expecting a lawsuit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 08:18:03
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Yeah, probably geo-blocked; I watched the first 10 minutes of Boobytrapped on Crackle while checking the links.
On the movie front, the one thing they could do with the Veritech is use the Alpha design instead of the F-14, it'd be a little strange, but it would evade the Grumman issue and make it look a little more "modern".
However, with the legal tangle of Macross/Robotech, I'd really be surprised Sony would touch a movie - I certainly can't see it showing up in Japan.
In the end, I just wish Robotech would get taken away from PB & HG, and we get access to all the Macross stuff that's been out for years - it has a viable future if it could get a legal international audience. Robotech, on the other hand, is dead. Its attempts to come back to life via the Shadow Chronicles was a face-plant instead - 'bout like this KS. (And then, of course, there was the Robotech Academy fiasco by HG no less).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 15:08:00
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Been Around the Block
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Morgan Vening wrote: Swabby wrote:Might as well be saying that Robotech is the #1 anime in Siberia. It means nothing.
Exactly. But that's the Palladium way. Controlling the criteria and twisting things to make it seem like things are much different than they are. The infamous 99% of PB fans thinking PB were going in the right direction one from the Open House (because people who didn't, weren't really fans, and it was all done "secretly" so as not to bias the poll). Or the GenCon vote, where if you didn't vote, it counted for their position (even though a large number of backers have NEVER commented).
I understand a company wanting to put the best spin on things, but PB take their contortionism of facts to ludicrous levels.
Did I post this? I seem to remember typing this before. Well, if I did, then please forgive me for repeating myself.
Years ago, sometime between the two US wars in Iraq, there was a news story about Saddam Hussein holding elections. The elections allegedly showed that 99% of citizens approved of Hussein and voted for him as their ruler. The news story definitely presented this as definitive proof of a rigged election, and I definitely understand why. However, if votes are out in the open with your name attached with armed enforcers standing around while you're casting your ballot and the country is run by even half the dictator Hussein was said to be, then you better believe most people are going to vote for the guy. In that light, 99% approval rating seems reasonable.
However, what really stuck with me about the broadcast was not really the narrative. Instead it was a guest commenter who elaborated on the obvious, the narcissism of it all. The commenter observed that here was a man who felt such a need for validation on the public stage that he needed to hold a sham election, lie about the results, and then the absolute minimum approval rating he felt necessary to validate himself was 99%, AND to top it off he felt that was a reasonable and believable result.
Now, I may have my dictator wrong. That's not the point. The point I carried away from that is the image of someone's narcissism was so strong that they couldn't emotionally bear anything less than 99% endorsement in their own fictional world. That's immediately what I thought of following Uncle Kev's announcement of his "poll".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 15:25:03
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Knight of the Inner Circle
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Yeah and Robotech Tactics would have helped bring back the licence, but instead it put another nail in the coffin..
Again as I said before.. I was so hopeful for this game and wanted it to be something like GWs old epic; but with the whole line
of figures with conventional military mixed in... Now we have a BIG pile of steaming mess..
At my work we had a meeting about 2017 capital.. every project requires it..
So lets look at one of Palladium's project in 2016, the savage world rifts playing cards that they printed 150 of..
That tells you the available capital for projects.. also shows you that wave two is just a wishful ghost..
So I have about the same odds of winning the lottery as getting anything from wave 2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/30 20:09:56
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Battlefield Tourist
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Morgan Vening wrote:
And on the movie front, absolutely. It COULD be done well. The technology IS there. But it's way more likely to be screwed up in some significant manner (see Transformers, several iterations of TMNT, Speed Racer, DragonBall Z) than it is to be good.
Hey! I love the Speed Racer movie!
Looks around, goes and gets his coat.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/31 06:18:15
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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You're not the only one, Easy E. The Speed Racer movie is a fun ride.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/31 07:28:34
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Am i late to this?
I havent really got the time to read ALL the replies so i'll just get up on the soap box
If theres any financial trouble with this game, its undoubtably Harmony Gold's doing. Harmony Gold is flat broke and have resorted to harassing various toy companies over F-14 licenses for the past few years as they are too broke to do anything.
I'm certainly not one of those Macross 'purists', i love Robotech, I respect Carl Macek. I just think the franchise needs to go to a competant company
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/31 13:24:36
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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The New Miss Macross!
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You really should read up on this kickstarter before assigning blame. HG are responsible for the sorry state of the overall franchise but the massive delays that effectively equate to a failure of delivery for half the reward model sculpts and the ongoing coverup are Palladium's fault. Palladium and no one else had a massive financial success and squandered it. If anything, HG have proven by their inaction that they're a relatively hands OFF licensor who doesn't care much that Palladium is shrinking their customer base. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, Happy New Year tonight!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/31 20:47:14
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Shocked Micronized Zentraedi Spy
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Warboss well said on the post you left. I just want say to here. Happy New Year and be safe out there. 2017 from PB and Kev is more of 2016 to 2017 no wave 2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/01 08:08:08
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Happy new year, all! Just want to echo Warboss - Kevin Siembieda is the culprit here and his contempt for his customers is truly staggering.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/01/01 19:51:33
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Maybe Kevin will believe it's 1987 instead of 1986 this year (finally!).
Happy New Year everyone!
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