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2017/02/04 01:21:09
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
in response to backers where they state that there is nothing they can do and if we feel we must do something then we can file suit against Palladium Books but as far as Kickstarter goes there is nothing they can or will do.
go ahead and mail em Alpharius they will tell you the same thing.
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/02/04 01:34:58
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Alpharius wrote: Forar - isn't there a 'drop dead date' here for when they promised ACTUAL details on Wave 2 stuff - and not the usual "We've got plans - BIG PLANS - but we can't tell you - just in case they don't work out and/or there are changes!" line?
It was "by the end of January", and then in mid January it became "in a month" (or words to that effect), so in theory they should have more info in Mid February (if one takes them literally, as we are want to do), or maybe February/early March if one gives them leeway (WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?).
I'm sure it'll be shuffled back soon, but from what we know of the Design -> Production -> Delivery timeline with wave one, they really need to gak or get off the pot soon if they want to even have a realistic chance of doing it this year (and by "this year" I mean "by Black Friday", because big sales opportunities seem to be the only thing they care about).
That's a hypothetical, non-Alpharius folks. Anyone who bothers trying to correct that is just showing how they're not paying attention.
Don't be that guy, guy.
2017/02/04 02:00:31
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/02/04 02:18:05
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
My response to that "update" over on the update comments nad general comments for those who do not wish to sully themselves with the place:
"Moreover, we want to offer organized play support, scenario books, and the next several Waves of RRT products."
I do not expect to get my Wave Two.
You (PB) pissed away and chased off people (like me and others) who really gave a damn and did everything in our power to help you do just exactly what was said in the above quote.
No, you do not get to say :we are totes working on it honest" anymore.
My minis are assembled. They are getting used for a game that actually GETS support in Battletech Alpha Strike.
I game at least once a week playing BT:AS, X-wing, Star Wars Armada, Star Trek Attack Wing, Warhammer 40k, and soon Star Wars Imperial Assault.
I and others like me were more than willing to put that time and effort into RRT.
YOU would not listen.
YOU ****ed it up.
YOU pissed it away.
You reap what you ****ing sow and you have sowed nothing but disdain, contempt, and vitriol by your own actions in regards to this project and those who very much wanted to make it a success.
Screw you.
(self censored for here)
2017/02/04 02:36:35
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Alpharius wrote: Forar - isn't there a 'drop dead date' here for when they promised ACTUAL details on Wave 2 stuff - and not the usual "We've got plans - BIG PLANS - but we can't tell you - just in case they don't work out and/or there are changes!" line?
It was "by the end of January", and then in mid January it became "in a month" (or words to that effect), so in theory they should have more info in Mid February (if one takes them literally, as we are want to do), or maybe February/early March if one gives them leeway (WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?).
I'm sure it'll be shuffled back soon, but from what we know of the Design -> Production -> Delivery timeline with wave one, they really need to gak or get off the pot soon if they want to even have a realistic chance of doing it this year (and by "this year" I mean "by Black Friday", because big sales opportunities seem to be the only thing they care about).
That's a hypothetical, non-Alpharius folks. Anyone who bothers trying to correct that is just showing how they're not paying attention.
Don't be that guy, guy.
Ha!
Fair enough then!
I suppose we can give them until...March 1st!
2017/02/04 04:17:07
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I read the full update and it's just "free" words.. Kevin has promised RTT for years now..
Words don't cost him anything.. and the comment from him saying the reason for no big
releases in 2016 is they are in the planning phase... BS.. they are dead broke and cant
afford anything.
If you look at the update, it shows their release of Rifter 76 and 77.. #76 cover art is just
colored in line art , this is something a kid could do and the #77 is bad Poser art yet again..
That is a sign to me, they are dead broke..And can no longer afford real artist.
The only promise of life is if their friend Carmen can get enough money from Rifts Board
game to bail them out..
If it tanks, I see Palladium games going underwater with no return.. "fingers crossed"
On a funny side note, I tried to ask questions on Palladium forums about the new Rifts Board game.
So I registered.. My first and second post that were both civil in content discussing what was going to
be included in the upcoming game (most have now been already questioned and answered,)
both posts had to go to administrative review... They have yet have to show up and that was last Sunday.
So newly registered people or maybe people on a black list can not post.
2017/02/04 07:57:51
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
So, the PBWU is up, and the section covering RRT is literally a copypasta of the Update that Alpharius copypasta'd on the previous page. Also available here.
There's something to be said that they managed 623 words talking about the state of the RRT project (without actually stating anything), but had no issue with spending 811 words talking about RiftsBG. Where Kevin goes into a lengthy spiel about Carmen's capabilities and accomplishments. That he completely omits that Carmen was instrumental (if arguably not the architect) in the development of the turd this thread is discussing, is quite telling. There's also two paras toward the end where he talks about how it's all Carmen, and totally not PB that have created this, and it's all on Rogue Heroes LLC (with an implication that choosing not to back, is tantamount to taking food from Carmen's family).
Another wrinkle is that the poll over on the PB Forum isn't going so well. Sure, you can argue that the ~60% of respondents who pass are just haterz (even though several posts, mostly stealth deleted, have been from people who have hundreds, if not thousands of Forum posts to their name), but screw the percentages for a minute. On PB's home forum, with overly zealous Mods having removed most of the dissent, that there are only 10 people looking forward to the Kickstarter, and 10 more looking into it IF it succeeds, that's not particularly encouraging. I'm fairly certain it'll fund unless they set the goal too high, or the value is unreasonable, but the general lack of enthusiasm on their home field, just isn't good.
Of course, they're not being Palladium without woefully overestimating their capacity to do things. 5 books listed for release by midyear (plus two Rifters). Yeah, I've got confidence that the RRT Scenario Books will be published in a timely fashion. If there's one thing PB are known for it's releasing books in a timely fashion.
2017/02/04 11:28:51
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I know it has taken a very long time to fulfill this Kickstarter, and for that I am very sorry. More sorry than some of you may be able to imagine. But we are dedicated to getting Wave 2 done and in your hands by the end of 2017. Not only that, but we want to make it amazing. Our Kickstarter backers and fans have waited so long for RRT Wave 2, that if we can make improvements we want to do so. We have been frustrated by many aspects of production that clash with what we know would make a superior product. Moreover, we want to offer organized play support, scenario books, and the next several Waves of RRT products. We have never given up on our dream to make Robotech® RPG Tactics™ amazing.
Anyone else reminded of South Park's BP Oil Spill We're Sorry! ad?
It's great that PB has such a strong dream for RRT because right now based on all the non movement and lack of minis the only thing RRT is looking like is yet another a pipe dream.
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2017/02/04 20:21:58
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
That is the real issue, kevin is living in a dreamworld and has not bothered to taake a reality check in years.
He is insulated from his customers by a clique of "yes" men who say everything he does is pure genius - see the gshing praise fior the latest Dead Reign expansion were one tells him he has reiivented the zombie genre.
Sadly the truth is plainer than ever, he is stalling for all he is worth because he knows that at this moment in time even if all the pieces of the process were in place, he cannot afford to make wave 2 and even if by some miracle he did, he certainly could not hope to distribute it to us backers.
So he waffles and then as usual takes his eye off the balll and waxes lyrical about some other firms upcoming kickstarter ( as if we did not know his greedy fingerprints are al over it).
Sad that even after all these years he still cannot show off the masters for all the models (part counts do not matter Kev) and seems to have conveniently forgotten about the resin pieces. You would think if one thing coulld help it would be to show off the master of the Monster, but no that is being sensible, not Kev's biggest asset.
Ah well, we shall all see in another six months when he deigns to update us again.
2017/02/05 05:26:46
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I expect I'm preaching to the choir, but as I'm sitting around bored and I don't want to assemble/paint more battlepods. . .
We have been frustrated by many aspects of production that clash with what we know would make a superior product.
We lack the funds to produce wave 2. (or we haven't been able to get any quotes within a range of what we can afford with remaining funds)
Moreover, we want to offer organized play support, scenario books, and the next several Waves of RRT products. We have never given up on our dream to make Robotech® RPG Tactics™ amazing.
next several Waves? Does this mean wave 2 (if it even comes into existence) is getting split into more waves?
We are working on something exciting right now that, if it pans out, could change everything and help us bring you RRT Wave Two by the end of 2017.
Rifts Board Game. Because if it takes off, it could like revitalize PB with an injection of funds. Somehow, I get an odd sense of deja vu.
Case in point, we had pretty much resigned ourselves to being unable to significantly lower the part count in the RRT game pieces. However, we are suddenly readdressing that as we explore new possibilities that have surfaced. In fact, I have spent most of the week on this very matter. We are working on all of this with the desire to bring you something great, not just crap it out to be done with it.
Given that it's been CNY. This seems like either it's a lie or they're looking at production options outside of China. If there's any truth to it, this also pushes their timetable out past 2017. I don't suppose they'd have the nerve to print and package the cardboard pieces on DriveThru RPG and send that out as wave 2?
And the rest is just pointless filler. Scenario books are useless without Wave 2. The Ghost Fleet stuff even more so without any new miniatures. It'll take years if ever before the Ghost Fleet RPG books come out and then add in a few more years for the miniatures.
Seems like this update is a weak attempt at damage control for the upcoming Rifts kickstarter.
2017/02/05 05:51:29
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Re: Funds: That's a strong theory. They were accused of being out of cash (among many things) and in response they pointedly noted they had not mismanaged the funds... which is totally not the same thing/what most people were asking. They skipped a bunch of people asking if they could even do it to focus on like one dude who asked if they had bought boats or new houses.
Re: Waves: I suspect he's referring to the 3 series. There was talk (in the long long ago) about doing the second and third series as minis as well (6-7mm tall Cyclones and whatnot).
Re: Rifts BG: But how could that be, it's Carmen's project, all his, he already paid the licensing! :-P
Re: Cardboard: I can't see them wasting time or money on that kind of 'technically...' sort of solution. Nobody but the most devout would take it as anything but an insult.
Re: Damage control: Yuuuuuuuuup. It couldn't be any more a "we feel this is contractually obligated, and so we're going to do the bare minimum" if they tried.
I do look forward to them soon returning to the name of the fething project being longer than the "info" they provide about it.
2017/02/05 06:44:33
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Re: Funds: That's a strong theory. They were accused of being out of cash (among many things) and in response they pointedly noted they had not mismanaged the funds... which is totally not the same thing/what most people were asking. They skipped a bunch of people asking if they could even do it to focus on like one dude who asked if they had bought boats or new houses.
did anyone even say they spent the money on boats and cars? as it goes that was when I grew very suspicious PB was out of money when they were making excuses that the money was not spent on other things. (well confirmed it for me anyway)
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/02/05 12:59:25
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
There is the odd guy that pipes up now and again spouting about "cars and vacations blah blah" but they are rare (there was one in the new updates comments section but just the one)
Considering WHO told me they were out of money and HOW he knew about it....yeah they have no money.
And they are showing more and more circumstantial evidence that it isn't just out of money for this project either...
The past month has had them basically blame thier printer for not giving them a delivery date on the newest Rifter....something that I have never seen happen before as it I has ALWAYS been "book is at printer, book will ship sin 2/3 weeks" but this time it was "uh.....printer hasn't told us when yet even though it is at the printer"
That indicates one of two things......they lied that it was at the printer (possible but unlikely as that would be a new low even for them) or it was at the printer but the printer refused to the work until a payment of some kind was received.
Considering just how LITTLE was actually done last year (4 Rifters, 1 of which was a late production from the previous year and 2 actual books)....I lean towards the second option.....mind you I have my own theory about what may be really happening at present at Palladium and for the future.
2017/02/05 14:36:26
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
jaymz wrote: There is the odd guy that pipes up now and again spouting about "cars and vacations blah blah" but they are rare (there was one in the new updates comments section but just the one)
Considering WHO told me they were out of money and HOW he knew about it....yeah they have no money.
And they are showing more and more circumstantial evidence that it isn't just out of money for this project either...
The past month has had them basically blame thier printer for not giving them a delivery date on the newest Rifter....something that I have never seen happen before as it I has ALWAYS been "book is at printer, book will ship sin 2/3 weeks" but this time it was "uh.....printer hasn't told us when yet even though it is at the printer"
That indicates one of two things......they lied that it was at the printer (possible but unlikely as that would be a new low even for them) or it was at the printer but the printer refused to the work until a payment of some kind was received.
Considering just how LITTLE was actually done last year (4 Rifters, 1 of which was a late production from the previous year and 2 actual books)....I lean towards the second option.....mind you I have my own theory about what may be really happening at present at Palladium and for the future.
well therein lies the issue if PB is truly living from hand to mouth or robbing Peter to pay Paul, then odds are this new RIFTs Boardgame will just be a a scam for them to get money to keep their lights on, and their puppet will dance a dance making those backers wait. so will PB implode if the boardgame does not fund? or will PB come up with a ruse saying well we were so close and we already got so much done, go ahead and send us money and we ill put the game out ourselves?
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2017/02/05 16:22:56
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
jaymz wrote: There is the odd guy that pipes up now and again spouting about "cars and vacations blah blah" but they are rare (there was one in the new updates comments section but just the one)
Considering WHO told me they were out of money and HOW he knew about it....yeah they have no money.
And they are showing more and more circumstantial evidence that it isn't just out of money for this project either...
The past month has had them basically blame thier printer for not giving them a delivery date on the newest Rifter....something that I have never seen happen before as it I has ALWAYS been "book is at printer, book will ship sin 2/3 weeks" but this time it was "uh.....printer hasn't told us when yet even though it is at the printer"
That indicates one of two things......they lied that it was at the printer (possible but unlikely as that would be a new low even for them) or it was at the printer but the printer refused to the work until a payment of some kind was received.
Considering just how LITTLE was actually done last year (4 Rifters, 1 of which was a late production from the previous year and 2 actual books)....I lean towards the second option.....mind you I have my own theory about what may be really happening at present at Palladium and for the future.
Want to share that theory?
Assuming they are out of money, what plans do they have to rectify that?
2017/02/05 16:27:23
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Well I was wrong about Kev update RRTKS. I was sure he would not update RRTKS until May 2017. I don't believe anything he say about having wave 2 done in 2017 4thQ.
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2017/02/06 08:46:03
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
That indicates one of two things......they lied that it was at the printer (possible but unlikely as that would be a new low even for them) or it was at the printer but the printer refused to the work until a payment of some kind was received.
Hmm. That reminds of a comic shop I use to visit many years ago. For a long time it did well but then in its final year before closing down shipments were always late, with the owner blaming the delivery truck, or the plane, printing delays, whatever. Until one time his wife got drunk while at lunch and came back and in front of all of us started yelling at her husband about how they were dead broke, it was all his fault and stuff now was always late because they were behind in their account with (Diamond?). So the comics didnt get delivered until they paid off some of their debt. Eventually they just shut down completely.
