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Well this been very interesting few day. Now posted that Carmen is not well or sick . I wonder why could it be he went to far when posted on RRT KS forum . Well will see what come of it. I send ticket on KS for it. Later

Accute vagenosis seems to break out at PB anytime they get criticized. Just like Kevin or Wayne he'll retreat for a bit stay silent while he licks his wounds and reinflates his ego and sooner or later he'll be back to hyping things same as before.

His threat to let RRT burn rings hollow, if he could do anything to help the game he would have done it by now. It's a bit like a dad screaming at his car full of kids, hey you little monsters do you want me to stop this car and turn around?? When the car has already been at a full stop for four years. There's absolutely nothing to be lost as all progress was completely halted and lost years ago. The threat of receiving "more nothing" isn't a threat when we all know that wave 2 was never going to happen regardless.

Acting like he somehow holds the key to RRT's salvation while claiming to be completely outside the company is hogwash. He's been part of RRT from the get go as the game credits state, he's also been carrying the PB banner doing interviews on their behalf and promoting the heck out of it, so tell me again how he's completely unconnected to RRT?

I poked around. The "medical issues" are apparently very serious. Serious enough that I am willing to cut him some slack for the time being. I gave my word to say no more than that.

 jaymz wrote:
I poked around. The "medical issues" are apparently very serious. Serious enough that I am willing to cut him some slack for the time being. I gave my word to say no more than that.

Sorry to hear that, but I hear heartbreak will do that, and learning that you are the problem will do that to people. Having your dream crushed at the same time is likely worse.

Kevin dove in front of a minivan to try to duck his responsibilities, too.

Unless he's suffering serious mental health issues that cause him to toady to Kevin and threaten his "fellow backers" I don't see how it has any bearing on anything.

And pulling a fake (or exaggerating a real) health issue to cancel a project to save face is in no way beyond these people. Particularly since they're getting trashed even on their own forum - a forum, I might add, that would make Saddam Hussein's 99% reelection rates look like an honest sampling of opinions.

I am not saying to excuse his behaviour or PBs for that matter but just to....let it be for a few days or so to see how this plays out.

Health issues are nothing to be insulting about.

 jaymz wrote:
I am not saying to excuse his behaviour or PBs for that matter but just to....let it be for a few days or so to see how this plays out.

I would not wish ill health on him for sure, I hope he has a quick recovery.
I must note: he will be responsible for his actions no matter what condition he is in unless he has a mental condition.
I have seen people "go off their meds" enough to cut slack in that regard.

I hate to say, but what is common in any business venture is to have a designate.
Ill health could nix his venture as readily as bad will.
It would not be a very restful recovery when you know a bunch of stuff is falling behind.
I hope he is in no rush to launch the KS for a bit till everything is ok.

 Talizvar wrote:
I hope he is in no rush to launch the KS for a bit till everything is ok.

Only problem is, he's stated a couple times, he has to launch it soon, due to the licensing arrangement. That was the reason given why he couldn't put it off until Wave 2 was finished later this year.

So, either that's still the case, and it's still on a timeframe, or Kevin will readjust it, in which case why wouldn't he readjust it before, if Kevin is confident Wave 2 will be out this year.

The project is in a right pickle at the moment. The whole gherkin, even.

Carmen's health issues, real or not, have no bearing on anything in the RRT KS Comments at all. There is no need to cut him slack. All he needs to do is to avoid posting inflammatory comments. If he has health issues then I guess that problem is solved, if not and he posts more of the same...then expect more of the whirlwind from the community. Pretty straight-forward.

If he laid out money for a license to pb without doing due diligence on the project already underway he was a fething idiot. No sympathy for it.


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If he laid out money for a license to pb without doing due diligence on the project already underway he was a fething idiot. No sympathy for it.

Considering that Kevin was so incredibly magnanimous that he "jumped" at the chance to hand over the license, and Carmen is his "good friend", I can only assume that he'd extend the licensing due to extenuating circumstances.

Surely he would. Unless there's other people beating down the doors to make a Rifts(c)(tm)(bs)(etc) board game.

I'm betting there aren't.

Sounds like I missed most of the furor, but Carmen's comments were completely inappropriate.

In the end, he CHOSE to associate himself with someone who is a swindler and a cheat. The backlash isn't inappropriate at all, coupled with his comments.

I have no dislike for Carmen, but I don't think he was hurt in anyway.
No one was using Voodoo dolls on him... well not that I know of..
And anyone with a small amount of corporate knowledge is you don't
trash talk customers to their face..
But as for his illness, stress can do crazy things to people... And I am sure he is loaded to the max.
He will soon find out what true friend Kevin is, no matter if his kickstarter is good or bad...

What did he expect going to the Lions Den of the RTT Kickstarter Comments??
That everyone would welcome him with open arms.. I have actually read some
very good feedback to him from RTT backers that should told him the same thing he was saying to them.

At least we know that Kevin can hid the fact his is not fully aware what the condition of
the Robotech community and looks like he used Carmen as a sacrificial lamb..

Latest PB update is Carmen tried to kill himself after the talk on RRT.

While I feel bad that he's apparently suicidal, there's much deeper issues at play than him getting criticism from the RRT community. It also wouldn't stop me from warning people off a RIFTs boardgame KS.

I'm already seeing people express skepticism over whether anything actually happened to Carmen. Kevin's reputation as a liar has gotten to the point where everything he says is suspect.

It would be a way to bow out rather than launch a kickstart that's doomed to failure.

Dear Kevin: Mean words didn't crush Carmen's dreams, his poor taste in friends did. Having his name on an incomplete product that has turned into a combination of a sad joke, farce, and fraud did.

If you want to know who is responsible, look in a mirror.

The fact that Kevin had these words to go, less than 24 hours after Carmen went away from the comments all butthurt certainly isn't suspicious, however. Certainly not after they've spent the last month trying to lower expectations all over the place.

Oh, no, it's definitely not that. Because Kevin is a man of impeccable honesty and character.

I hope that he'll be ok and that he can get the mental support he needs. Stress has a strange way of manifesting and I'd really hate to see somebody harm themselves over a game, as gaming is meant to be a source of joy in our lives. Usually attempts at self harm have a pretty deep set of roots and it's a complex tangle of issues and depression. I hope he's able to get the help he needs and find his way back to a stable and positive frame of mind.

Even under favorable circumstances running a kickstarter is a pretty stressful experience, I hope he is able to put his focus on his recovery and health before he takes any further steps with his game since it would likely only add greater stress to an already overwhelming burden. No matter how much angst people may have towards a game company It's still incredibly sad to see someone finding themself in such a dark and hopeless place that they'd attempt suicide. Carmen hang onto that dream, but first please give yourself the chance to heal the body and spirit.

Wow, that update...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1811029?ref=backer_project_update

and here;
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1440349382851175/permalink/2178259232393516/

Unbelievable. Kevin is blaming the backers while at the same time kicking carmen in the balls.

And from the looks of the comments section at the kickstarter Im not the only one who thinks so.

Im wondering what else is coming from kevin with regards to the kickstarters.

On top of just lying to us and stealing from us, Mr. Siembieda is now trying to pin this guy's suicide attempt on us? oh right, while painting the guy who attempted suicide as a loveable doofus.

As for said doofus, this guy was shocked and disheartened that kicking a hornet's nest got him stung?

I hope he makes a full recovery, including seeking pschological counseling. This tragedy could turn into an opportunity to rethink his life and get the hell away from Kevin.

I never participated in this Kickstarter but a pal of mine told me about it's current state of affairs, and looking at the recent drama and the related posts that started it along with the delays and previous promises...all I can say is that I would be beyond livid with Palladium.

My condolences to the backers.

Speaking as someone who use to be a social worker I do not believe one single event could have caused this. From what I had seen it takes time to get to this point and usually a succession of disheartening or traumatic incidents. Im just saying there would be far more to what led to this than a couple of hours of jousting with some backers.

As I have stated on the various boards my sympathy to carmen and his family and my wholehearted wish for a speedy and full recovery.

It is unfortunate, but his dream would have succeeded even withthe most vitriolic comments from some RTT backers. So I am not sure as to the motive of pouring oil on the fire and expecting to come away slightly singed

However, Kevin has got what he wanted, even if he did not do it directly, The vocal crtics of his failures to deliver are now cast as really bad, viciousprople who have no reagrd for anyone else. His minions on facebook have taken up the call, without even bothering to read the comments that preipitated it. Oh how kevin must love this he is off the hook again from months yet again.

Sadly, I wonder now if he will have the temerity to launch the Rifts BG KS anyway under the Palladium banner, as some sort of lame tribute for his friend. Maybe harsh, but I would not put it past him if he thinks he can make a dollar

That was his plan all along. Make his friend Carmen break the contract by not starting on time, then claim all the work as his property, and profit.

Yes I'm a bit cynical when it comes to PB and it's owner.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
That was his plan all along. Make his friend Carmen break the contract by not starting on time, then claim all the work as his property, and profit.

Yes I'm a bit cynical when it comes to PB and it's owner.

I don't know. I'm cynical enough to believe Kevin will try to exploit this, much as he has in regards to the RRT Kickstarter (Kevin, there's a good way, and a bad way and a worse way, why do you always pick the latter?), but I think he would have been totally fine with it running as "intended". Mostly because he gets to insulate from the problems if things go bad, and if it doesn't, he's got both the royalties from the initial contract, and the ability to strongarm if any expansions were on the table.

I firmly stand by Keving being a donkeycave, but I ascribe most issues to overconfident incompetence, rather than malicious motive. I just don't think he's that smart to be that sinister.


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I see several people are commenting over there saying "I haven't read the comments in question, but I don't need to."

Still can't believe people take Kevin's word on anything regarding how hostile people were. I've reread the entire section from Carmen's first entry to his "peace, out" one, and a little beyond, a couple times now.

And while the tone is harsh, it's far from terrible or unexpected, given the situation with the Kickstarter overall, and tone from Carmen's initial post.

That people are so quick to pick up the bat that "haters drove him to this", I just... I just don't get it.

For anyone that wants to actually read what was said, and not just accept Kevin's word on it, here's a link to the initial post. You read up from there, and it's about 60 posts in total from his first, to the one where he signs off. The conversation persisted a bit after, but that's the primary content.

This whole thing makes me sad and angry.

Merijeek wrote:
Considering that Kevin was so incredibly magnanimous that he "jumped" at the chance to hand over the license, and Carmen is his "good friend", I can only assume that he'd extend the licensing due to extenuating circumstances.

Surely he would. Unless there's other people beating down the doors to make a Rifts(c)(tm)(bs)(etc) board game.

I'm betting there aren't.

If Kevin was any sort of decent person he would give Carmen his IP licensing fee back. that is where the real stress is, Carmen put his money into a Rifts Board Game and he now realizes it will fail for various reasons one of which is RRT.

but alas we know Kevin will not.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
That was his plan all along. Make his friend Carmen break the contract by not starting on time, then claim all the work as his property, and profit.

Yes I'm a bit cynical when it comes to PB and it's owner.

I don't know. I'm cynical enough to believe Kevin will try to exploit this, much as he has in regards to the RRT Kickstarter (Kevin, there's a good way, and a bad way and a worse way, why do you always pick the latter?), but I think he would have been totally fine with it running as "intended". Mostly because he gets to insulate from the problems if things go bad, and if it doesn't, he's got both the royalties from the initial contract, and the ability to strongarm if any expansions were on the table.

I firmly stand by Keving being a donkeycave, but I ascribe most issues to overconfident incompetence, rather than malicious motive. I just don't think he's that smart to be that sinister.


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I see several people are commenting over there saying "I haven't read the comments in question, but I don't need to."

Still can't believe people take Kevin's word on anything regarding how hostile people were. I've reread the entire section from Carmen's first entry to his "peace, out" one, and a little beyond, a couple times now.

And while the tone is harsh, it's far from terrible or unexpected, given the situation with the Kickstarter overall, and tone from Carmen's initial post.

That people are so quick to pick up the bat that "haters drove him to this", I just... I just don't get it.

For anyone that wants to actually read what was said, and not just accept Kevin's word on it, here's a link to the initial post. You read up from there, and it's about 60 posts in total from his first, to the one where he signs off. The conversation persisted a bit after, but that's the primary content.

People like to virtue-signal. Reading and understanding is hard. Much easier to believe whatever narrative is in front of you

 n815e wrote:
This whole thing makes me sad and angry.

Not sure I have seen not just this incident, but nearly every aspect of the post-campaign process summarized so succinctly.

Best wishes to Carmen on getting the help he needs, particularly if said help includes getting him away from Kevin. IIRC, Kevin also blamed Carmen for how "meh" the reception of RTT at GenCon in the same sort of "what a doofus" manner.

I can't think of anything nice to say about Kevin with his attempts and finger-wagging and blame-shifting away from the culprit that he sees in every mirror, so I'll just stop there I suppose.