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**Forar**

It's not like finding low hanging fruit on the platform is difficult.

**JohnHwangDD**

Forar wrote:
It's not like finding low hanging fruit on the platform is difficult.

I defy you to find something lower.

**Forar**

Potato Salad raising like $55,000?

People ask for help with dumb gak all the time ('dumb' from any of our perspective, I'm sure many people sincerely ask for help with things they are actually quite passionate about).

Sometimes as a joke, sometimes it's sincere. Gakking on an elderly person's campaign like this doesn't seem terribly relevant or anything but mean spirited.

I don't think it's necessary to go trolling for 'lower' campaigns, my point stands that it's unnecessary to point and laugh in the first place.

This campaign deserves all the mockery and scorn we can lob its way.

That's enough for me.

**JohnHwangDD**

Oh come on, that entire campaign content is a single piece of paper with crayon scribbles on it... Whether it's an old or a kid, it's a terrible campaign.

And wasn't the potato salad just a novelty charity fundraiser?

**Forar**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh come on, that entire campaign content is a single piece of paper with crayon scribbles on it... Whether it's an old or a kid, it's a terrible campaign.

And wasn't the potato salad just a novelty charity fundraiser?

A few of the comments have very helpfully asked that person to elaborate on their game/campaign.

According to a little Google'ing, the Potato Salad one started as a bit of a joke, but became a charitable thing once it blew up. It didn't start as a charity.

**n815e**

I don't think we've gotten a "Keep the faith!" in a while.
It's nice to see the classics making a comeback.

**Talizvar**

I dunno, the RRT KS is looking like charity disguised as a campaign.
I am sure PB is quite sincere in their belief that fan/friends would be more than happy to lend them support in their time of need... even if they did not see fit to let us know they were "donations" not pledges.
Yeah Forar, you are right: the negativity can start being nasty for nasty sake I have found for myself, nevermind others.

On a positive note: TerraForms is shipping their stuff and my order "is in the pile" according to the creator.
The Battletech HBS KS update I quite like for a "setback" update.
Rathcore Miniature Holders KS is shipping and people seem quite happy.
Savage Worlds Rifts is pretty much done and they even kicked in some nice free stuff to end on a positive note (I was only in for the $1, my RPG days unless on computer is behind me).
I even had some bad things happen with my Shapeways orders but their service group and the model creators have been awesome.

My consumer experience has been VERY good as of late, it contrasts so incredibly bad with Palladium.
So many companies understand that when things go bad, that is the time to do your best: we all make mistakes, it is how we deal with them that makes a company a leader or not.

**Morgan Vening**

New PBWU is up.

Of course, gRifts BG gets both first acknowledgement, and more words, but let's see what we have...

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two

It may have taken what feels like forever, but things are really starting to come together for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™. All kinds of plans are beginning to gel in regard to product, promotion and organized play as we wait for feedback on new ideas and approaches to manufacturing.

I’m afraid we still do not have hard details to share just yet, but they are coming. And if things pan out the way we hope they will — wow. We are considering (and getting quotes for) several different levels of possibilities, and this is not just for RRT Wave Two, but for long-term plans for Robotech® RPG Tactics™ overall. Some of the smaller, short-term plans should start to manifest in the weeks ahead, while the bigger plans we hope to be able to offer soon.

I know some frustrated backers have decided that Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two is never coming out. I understand their frustration, because we share it. What they may not seem to realize is that RRT is one of Palladium’s dreams. We are uber fans of Robotech® and our intention has always been to bring you Robotech® in a new, dynamic way with gorgeous game pieces and tactical combat rules. As the old saying goes, The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. But WE have never given up on that dream and are doing our utmost to make it a bold reality. We’ve learned from our mistakes and are working hard to right the ship and deliver on our promises. An opportunity has arisen for us to make that happen in a big way and we are exploring it with all our might. Keep the faith! Wish us luck and hope that we can make this all happen. When we have the hard details, our Kickstarter backers will be the first to know about them.

TLDR on a para by para basis.
- Nebulous promises.
- No details.
- Haterz gonna hate, more promises, no details, dates or anything concrete. Bonus, a new unspecified "opportunity" has arisen! Wonder how much they can squeeze out of that.

And that's it for this week's RRT. Note, we're now eight weeks from "We should be able to present you manufacturing details and a timetable in another month or so.".

In "business as usual" news, the 5 books by midyear is still on track. Just over three and a half months to go. Good luck on that.

**Joyboozer**

I am seriously considering travelling to the US just to attend a convention Palladium will be at, for the sole purpose of very loudly telling Kevin exactly what I think of him.
I can be as vile as I please because I don't care if they kick me out.

**Elbows**

I just thought of the perfect storm...what if Kevin gets Prodos to do the 2nd wave minis...(mind explodes)

That might genuinely create enough negative energy that we'll skip the hadron collider and simply create a black hole on the internet.

**Swabby**

"as we wait for feedback on new ideas and approaches to manufacturing."

This is BS of a supremely higher order. Who are we waiting on feedback from exactly?

**Talizvar**

Swabby wrote:
"as we wait for feedback on new ideas and approaches to manufacturing."
This is BS of a supremely higher order. Who are we waiting on feedback from exactly?

A new supplier they had not got a quote from yet?
Since they probably asked for quotes from the same 3 suppliers for a couple years now.
That would constitute "new ideas and approaches to manufacturing."
"Keep the faith"?????? I went atheist for a while now.
The opportunity is to ride on the Rifts board game coattails for mold design and production time?
Bah.

**cannonfodr**

Swabby wrote:
"as we wait for feedback on new ideas and approaches to manufacturing."

This is BS of a supremely higher order. Who are we waiting on feedback from exactly?

I'm seriously wondering if they're talking to prodos. From what I've heard recently prodos has been pretty bad at getting other companies into their producton queue. I could see them stringing Kevin along with soon and maybes.

**n815e**

I am sure they are getting quotes. "Quit wasting our time" is a quote.

**Genoside07**

We want the molds for free and able to order in units of 25...
Don't understand why manufactures laugh when I tell them that...

**Swabby**

Honestly a company stringing Kevin along and feeding him the same excuses he has been giving us would kind of crack me up at this point.

**Stormonu**

My favorite part of that PBWU is the "RRT is one of Palladium's dreams"

Would that be a daydream or pipe dream?

**Talizvar**

Stormonu wrote:
My favorite part of that PBWU is the "RRT is one of Palladium's dreams"
Would that be a daydream or pipe dream?

We are all blessed with being given dreams with the possibility of them coming true by our efforts.
You may have to work for it however...

I remember this quote from somewhere.
Too bad Palladium continually tries to latch on to other people who have a similar dream and are willing to work for it.
Rather than a shared experience it becomes parasitic.

**wilycoyote**

Well they are attending Adepticon in two weeks and will be demoing RTT - surely those little round demo tables are battered enough already - but guess what they will also be showing off the Rifts BG stuff = no affiliatin we are just good friends , honest guv.

Personally it is a no brainer but which one do you think Kevin and his cohorts wil spend the most time talking up?

Woe betide anyone who asks where are my Wave 2 models kev, it has only been three years now.......

**jaymz**

""RRT is one of Palladium's dreams" "

This from a guy/company that not long prior to that said "we are an RPG company and have no interest in doing anything else" so I am not sure what fething dream the clown is mentioning because he and his company had been asked about mini games for YEARS before RRT was even a thought.

**Morgan Vening**

wilycoyote wrote:
Well they are attending Adepticon in two weeks and will be demoing RTT - surely those little round demo tables are battered enough already - but guess what they will also be showing off the Rifts BG stuff = no affiliatin we are just good friends , honest guv.

Personally it is a no brainer but which one do you think Kevin and his cohorts wil spend the most time talking up?

Woe betide anyone who asks where are my Wave 2 models kev, it has only been three years now.......

Well, it won't be Kevin answering questions. He won't be going. He went to Coastcon a few weeks ago. And that and GenCon are his only planned outings this year. I guess if another small regional convention makes him a Guest of Honor, then he might reconsider.

So it'll probably be Wayne as Kevin's huckleberry, probably with either Chuck or NMI riding shotgun. So expect a terse non-answer, or deflections.

There's no mention of it on the Rogue Studios FB, so I'm not sure if there'll be any real focus on gRifts.

But the complete lack of any organized events, even a small one (note, the Adepticon website blows), shows that PB have no faith in organized play. Either they don't think they'd get even the smallest number, or they can't organize and MA or staff member to run it.

Speaking of organized events, the event submission deadline for GenCon is in two weeks. Wonder if there'll be anything more than the "sample scenarios" they've had volunteers run, this year. If they were truly intending to release Wave 2 this year, you think there'd be a push at GenCon for the reboot, given the free exposure. That they've run one official tournament at a real convention (no, POH doesn't count) in the three years after RRT was released, indicates how much they think of the game.

**Genoside07**

I dream too..of winning the lottery one day and making a high end gaming library / club with the money..

But also I don't think the "Reboot" of RTT will happen in 2017 either.. Where is the money going to
come from for doing this?? They can not even produce large number of playing cards, so how can they
afford plastic molds.

When Games Workshop train wrecked Warhammer; they listened to the community and continued
to make adjusted releases to keep the game going.. Sure it lost players but they are getting them back.

There is only the Box set for Robotech tactics and the supporting models are just repacked ones from
the main set. They have truly not tried to release anything for the game in over three years.. then wonder
why no one plays it..

**jaymz**

So..got a couple of pics from a friend who gets a Rifter Subscription...seems that PB is doing more than just talking up the Rifts BG in the weekly updates.......but helping flat out advertise it.

This was in the Rifter he just received:

http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg1.jpg

http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg2.jpg

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There is an email on the card....to get in on the early bird discount even if you miss the early bird time frame.

**DEZOAT**

jaymz wrote:
So..got a couple of pics from a friend who gets a Rifter Subscription...seems that PB is doing more than just talking up the Rifts BG in the weekly updates.......but helping flat out advertise it.

This was in the Rifter he just received:

http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg1.jpg

http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg2.jpg

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There is an email on the card....to get in on the early bird discount even if you miss the early bird time frame.

Why I' am not surprise by this. You get the feelin that PB is desperate that this Rift BG KS gets as much advertisement as possible . Its funning that RRT and SWR did not get any push like Rift BG KS is getting.

**Mike1975**

Ha! We should all support the KS for $1 and then say on the Rifts one that we already supported a better version of it....

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/438141406/anachrony?ref=discovery

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They might even get sued or a C and D because they dare mention "Time Rifts"

**Talizvar**

jaymz wrote:
So..got a couple of pics from a friend who gets a Rifter Subscription...seems that PB is doing more than just talking up the Rifts BG in the weekly updates.......but helping flat out advertise it.
This was in the Rifter he just received:
http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg1.jpg
http://www.worldofjaymz.ca/riftsbg2.jpg
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There is an email on the card....to get in on the early bird discount even if you miss the early bird time frame.

What I find funny is in the picture they add "LLC" so prominently.
Their official name is "Rogue Heroes Publishing Inc. " in Canada, LLC is rather redundant: being incorporated automatically makes it it's own entity and not tied to the owner's personal finances.
Maybe I am overly sensitized, but PB's every action seems to scream to me "We shall not be held responsible or accountable! BTW: No refunds!!!!".
I really do not like how these clowns have coloured my views of the world.

**ced1106**

Were the subscriptions packaged before Carmen's announcement on the RRT forums?

America slaps LLC all over the place in the oddest places.

**GabrielV**

Was there any effort by Kevin to advertise Savage Worlds Rifts? Honest question.

I got the impression that Kevin has been ominously silent in regards to Savage Rifts, not doing anything to promote it, and even being actively hostile towards it on his own forum for "Intellectual Property Protection reasons."

So, his promotion of the Rifts boardgame seems extremely suspect in contrast.

**jaymz**

ced1106 wrote:
Were the subscriptions packaged before Carmen's announcement on the RRT forums?

America slaps LLC all over the place in the oddest places.

Nope this would have been done the last week. The Rifter in question was his subscription delivery.

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GabrielV wrote:
Was there any effort by Kevin to advertise Savage Worlds Rifts? Honest question.

I got the impression that Kevin has been ominously silent in regards to Savage Rifts, not doing anything to promote it, and even being actively hostile towards it on his own forum for "Intellectual Property Protection reasons."

So, his promotion of the Rifts boardgame seems extremely suspect in contrast.

Nope at most they had a smal blurb during the is campaign on the weekly updates but nothing more. Not even a sub forum for it but the rifts big got one almost instantly.

Hell they didn't push rrt this hard pre campaign.

**n815e**

Perhaps Kevin is hoping that Carmen's success means Carmen will take this albatross from PB.