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After reading the update I kind of felt like a small child that his parents divorce and the father hasn't paid child support in over three years
but each week sends an email to the mother saying how much he loves his kids...

Just words Kevin.. Just words...

Does the rifter really count considering a fair chunk of it is just inhouse ads?

Looking at the latest PBWU, it looks like they put a trademark on Realms of Chaos? Do my eyes deceive me there?

Perhaps someone should forward a copy of the ad to GW and see if they have anything to say about it?

cannonfodr wrote:
Looking at the latest PBWU, it looks like they put a trademark on Realms of Chaos? Do my eyes deceive me there?

Perhaps someone should forward a copy of the ad to GW and see if they have anything to say about it?

I was going to mock the wording for the exact same reason, but I forgot.

And yes, according to the PBWU, they're claiming copyright of the phrase. Though I'd wager Kevin is unaware of the conflict with the almost 30yr old GW books, given his vocal public disdain for all things wargaming.

Of course, you'ld think that the first thing to do before slapping a copyright on something would be to do at least a quick google search, and checking at least the first page (the first 8 results are the PC game, the last two are the GW product). But it's not a surprise given his vocal public disdain for most things internet.

I guess he COULD argue that his "Realms of Chaos" is different to GW's "Realm of Chaos", that the plural makes all the difference. But then you'ld need to point out Kevin didn't like it what Trion used Rift, without the plural. Regardless of the massive plagiarizing he's included in his own work, it's not a surprise given his vocal public disdain of people infringing on his genius.

It's possible that it was an inadvertent typo. But as it's not that simple to insert a registered copyright symbol. It either requires copypasting from another source, using Alt-0174 or in some software, ( R ) and having it autocomplete. So multiple clicks or key presses. But again, not surprising given his vocal public disdain for technology.

As it's unlikely to actually go anywhere, it just revives the age old question when it comes to anything Kevin does that's just plainly wrong. Stupid, malicious, ignorant, arrogant, and/or apathetic? I'm betting on 3+4 in this regard.

@jaymz

Having been in contact with a number of the freelancers over the years, and somewhat to this day, the vast majority of them have never been published anywhere else and once they were published elsewhere , iirc, never submitted to PB again after that. For them getting published by PB was their only goal by and large.

Well you can put me on that list. I also wrote a sourcebook so my flameout was sort of extra painful. I've decided to pursue other companies and have wrote/published a few things. My experience (limited as it is) is that RPG writing is a tough business and it's full of a mix of folks, good/bad.

I agree with this sentiment but truth be told the "incident" that caused Carmen's alleged suicide attempt (and at the moment I did not doubt it occurred though but frankly we only have Carmen and Kevin's word for it unless his wife or others have factually confirmed it to the world in person, or were there, then their "proof" is nothing but hearsay at best...and I am starting to have my doubts) the comments on the RRT Kickstarter page were not some ravenous rants directed at Carmen but rather tame basically calling him out on a few things, and in my case calling him out about some of his revisionist history of things he himself said to me and backed up by another who had it said to him as well. Were there comments made that said people would be going to the Rifts KS comments to basically call him out there as well? Yes. BUt there were no raving lunatic rants by any stretch and even those that MIGHT fit only started appearing after Carmen himself escalated things. So while I agree with your sentiment, and we should always try to be civil, then one tends to stop being civil when one gets treated uncivilly.

As I said to you before (though it may have been Palladium's forum) I was reading everything as you and Carmen were conversating... I didn't really think you got too far out of line. The only point (I think) which we differ...

Is the question of whether or not it's appropriate to troll Carmen's Kickstarter. (which, I don't think its right)

Keep in mind, I also think it was exceedingly inappropriate for Carmen to come into the RRT Kickstarter and try and appeal to RRT backers. It was certainly wrong beyond what he said (which made it even worse), or meant to say. To sound about as corny as I can make it: Two wrongs, don't make a right. (that's my opinion, we can certainly disagree)

I'm just asking for folks to make a consideration, before they participate or post in the RBG Kickstarter. I'm not even defining what consideration(s) they should or should not make. I can define that, only for myself (as hopefully will each of you), if I decide to wade in there (I haven't decided yet).

Your certainly right to note that we don't have any confirmation of the suicide attempt and neither can we confirm it's a tactic. Truthfully if I had my choice I would choose the swindle, because then I could go on hating Palladium for a whole host of other legit reasons, and have less of a conscience about it...

Withinthedungeon,

I will gladly consider your request when the funds I put into the RRT kickstarter are returned or the product I was promised shows up.

Your request just comes off as an attempt to get us to not tell the truth in the rifts kickstarter in my opinion.

 Swabby wrote:
Withinthedungeon,

I will gladly consider your request when the funds I put into the RRT kickstarter are returned or the product I was promised shows up.

Your request just comes off as an attempt to get us to not tell the truth in the rifts kickstarter in my opinion.

While I hope people remain civil on both sides, that's the point. Asking the questions, and pointing out the problems. We've had both Carmen and PB say they're separate companies, but that requires a level of trust that the former hasn't earned, and the latter has completely squandered. Then there were the several "coincidences" that called the "separate" nature into question, including PB spruiking gRifts at AdeptiCon without Carmen in attendance.

Simply put, if the intent for Kevin was to run this campaign under a shell company, I can't think of a more obvious way to do it. Neither Alex, Wayne or Chuck (now part of the roster) could do it. You've got Carmen who is the next closest thing to an employee, having substantial writing credits for PB and being instrumental in the development of RRT, and happens to live a commutable distance from Westland (even if the border is apparently cumbersome). And with the honesty issues that Kevin has, it really does look iffy. Just compare the advertising and promotion PB are doing for gRifts, compared to the leadup to Savage Rifts. It's positively anemic compared to the coverage gRifts has gotten.

That's not to mention the issue that was the coincidental movement on PB's personal crowdsourcing, that was heavily delayed (IIRC it was 18+months late at the time), that suddenly sprang to life about the time that RRT funded. Northern Gun? While nothing definitive was ever proven, PB's history of sketchiness when it comes to providing what is owed, or the claims that the embezzlement that caused the Crisis of Treachery was massively overstated by Kevin (I believe he claimed it was ~$1M, when it really looked like it was in the high 5 figures).

Now, that all brings up the question of why did I and many other backers put money into RRT if PB have such a crappy reputation? Well, first, some of this didn't become known until after the campaign had concluded. And secondly, it was because Ninja Division were announced that they would be doing ALL the heavy lifting, and that PB was ONLY there in an advisory and approval fashion (sound familiar?). And then as soon as the money was collected, it became clear that Ninja Division was just a subcontractor and that PB was involved a lot more than people thought.

I can see people getting caught up in the hype. As we saw with RRT, nostalgia can be one hell of a drug. But if this goes pear shaped for any number of reasons (and yes, Carmen's health is germane to whether it gets completed or not), including the apparent time crunch Carmen is under to get things complete before the license expires, then people do deserve to be forewarned. As many pro-PB people have pointed out regarding RRT, including in the latest PBWU announcement "You did not pay for a product, you paid to help throw the dice at the chance of their being a product. That is how kickstarters work.". The main argument that PB defenders seem to have, is that you're not actually owed anything. Heck, Kevin is on record saying backers have already got more than they're owed. So people should be aware that if things do go pear shaped, it's not likely to go any differently than RRT, and should take that into account before considering backing.

Just off the top of my head, here's a few questions I'd want answered before I considered backing (if I was interested, which I am not).
1) What refund policy is in place if things get delayed, or the project or management changes significantly after the campaign funding has been collected?
2) What assurances are there that PB will not take control of the project? When does the license lapse/revert back to PB?
3) Where will all shipping originate? (This is important to know if it'll be initially freighted to Windsor Ontario, or Westland Michigan)
4) What sort of insurance/reassurance is there that the project will be protected in the event of single point failure? I know it's not considered polite to mention the suicide attempt, but it applies to him having an accident too. As he appears to be the only one in charge, having a plan for completion shouldn't be out of the question.
5) At what stage are all the components? Rulebooks, card sets, miniature sets, tokens, maptiles. What is required to bring this to completion? Because the previous campaign he was a part of said it was all but done, and backers are still waiting.

I'm sure there are others, but I think those are the obvious pertinents.

In my dollar post over there, I am going to link to the RRT section with the comments from PB, specifically the ones pointing out the suicide attempt, and the threats the man made in the RRT section. I will also point out that he IS a shell corporation of PB in the fact that PB is doing more for that project than their own. I will also copy paste the PB pedigree of the not an employee Carmen and the fact that his gaming history is 99.999% PB games, and one unreleased game from Topps. His abilities as a game designer are questionable at best. I will also include that PB credits him with game design of the failed RRT project, that they refuse to refund.

The man is not suited to run a Kickstarter Project, much less a business. The funds will be covering his burial expenses, because he might not be so lucky next time.

Morgan Vening wrote:
Latest PBWU is up.

Finally, on about the sixth page, the RRT blurb.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and other books wrote:The Kickstarter for the Rifts® board game may be what’s getting a lot of attention at the moment, but Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is NOT forgotten, and it will see plenty of news and attention in the months ahead. We have a lot of plans for RRT Wave 2 and beyond that we are busy putting into place. Meanwhile, more of the original Robotech® RPG books from the 1980s and 1990s are being made available as PDF editions on DriveThruRPG.com every week. Robotech® and RRT are never out of our thoughts.

You know, they really should get their story straight. Either they have licensed the boardgame to Rogue Heroes and hence they only need to revise it and put the "validated" stamp on it, or they are working on it to the expense of everything else, in which case the assertion that "no, it's really not us, it's Rogue Heroes" gets increasingly hilarious.

No mention of what few uninitiated should be warned of the risks of funding a PB project?
I still cannot believe how RRT has strung along.
Carmen continues to work in an environment (or more appropriately: associates) that lead to poor mental health.
I doubt it can get better in these conditions.
Trolling Rifts would be inappropriate, but critical thinking questions asked are very pertinent.
The way RRT is handled, I really do not care how "different" this project is: it seems to mean a great deal to Kevin = $ most likely, so no, no more money to that shyster.

I just think it's weird to have two people join dakka dakka in the past few weeks
that seems to only post on this single thread. The only handful of posts are here
trying to put a positive spin on the whole train wreck of RTT or asking for 3D files
that could get someone in trouble if seen as copyright material.

I welcome new people and everyone is welcome; but palladium fan/friends
will always try to water down the situation. My point of view is when
someone tries to tell me the complete opposite of what I know, they are
just adding fuel to the fire. They joined the dakka community for one reason.

Sure I will watch what happens with the rifts game but I won't back it even
with a single dollar.

WithintheDungeon wrote:

Is the question of whether or not it's appropriate to troll Carmen's Kickstarter. (which, I don't think its right)

wait let me correct you there, it is not Carmen's kickstarter, it is Kevin's and Kevin's alone, it was done under Carmen's name so as to avoid RRT backlash, which we see how well that worked.

WithintheDungeon wrote:
Keep in mind, I also think it was exceedingly inappropriate for Carmen to come into the RRT Kickstarter and try and appeal to RRT backers. It was certainly wrong beyond what he said (which made it even worse), or meant to say. To sound about as corny as I can make it: Two wrongs, don't make a right. (that's my opinion, we can certainly disagree)

I'm just asking for folks to make a consideration, before they participate or post in the RBG Kickstarter. I'm not even defining what consideration(s) they should or should not make. I can define that, only for myself (as hopefully will each of you), if I decide to wade in there (I haven't decided yet).

Your certainly right to note that we don't have any confirmation of the suicide attempt and neither can we confirm it's a tactic. Truthfully if I had my choice I would choose the swindle, because then I could go on hating Palladium for a whole host of other legit reasons, and have less of a conscience about it...

as to posting on "Carmen's" Kickstarter it is just to warn potential backers about things that Carmen and PB will not inform them of, if a drunk driver crashes into a gas truck it explodes and takes out a bridge behind a hairpin turn another driver sees this then continues on and then sees a bunch of cars coming down the road at a good clip and does not warn them and they go off the bridge and die, who is at fault? the drunk? or the driver who did not warn the others?

and lets face it if Carmen's attempted suicide was a sales tactic, then he just ruined his life over PB BS, nobody in their right mind will back someone with money over a project that relies on someone who tried to kill himself over a few non-threatening, non-abusive words and that is what will doom Carmen's project.

Brutal way of looking at it but end result is the same: warn others that it is a sure thing this new kickstarter will go as well or worse than RRT.

Just one small tidbit regarding who's in charge.

The PBWU has a three page advert, listing the starting date 3 times. It links twice to the Rogue Heroes Facebook page.

The Rogue Heroes FB page's last "post" (FB equivalent of an Update) was over ten days ago. There's no mention of a specific starting date/time, though to be fair, there is one comment buried in the commentary that alludes to it.

Basically, PB are doing way more to promote the release of this game, than Carmen is. Carmen hasn't posted to the PB Forums since the incident. There's simply a lack of promotion from the person allegedly running things, or the people on his independent "team'. Just PB who don't have anything to do with the project.

Again, I hope people are civil, but I also think questions regarding who is running things given circumstance is absolutely fair game.

Noticed that Morgan and also that the colour pics in the PBWU do not feature at all on Carmen's facebbok page.

I asked this on the KS forum, but how likely do you think it is that Kevin will be in the gRifts BG launch video?

I agree we all need to be civil if we are going to comment over there on the gRifts KS, but if it does go wrong and even if everybody is, I get a feeling that it will be the fault of those negative , nasty RTT backers

I’m on nobody’s side here. I’ve have been critical of RRT and the RBG over at my blog. I have identified myself more clearly (than likely prudent) than most of you. I’m advising caution and consideration with what you choose to post. Again, how you rate caution and consideration is (caps are for emphasis, not yelling) UP TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY.

@Asterios

wait let me correct you there, it is not Carmen's kickstarter, it is Kevin's and Kevin's alone, it was done under Carmen's name so as to avoid RRT backlash, which we see how well that worked.

You don’t need to “correct me,” about a statement which is unproven. In fact, don’t do it. Though I “think” you are correct, since there are very few degrees of separation. What’s interesting (and certainly coincides to your point) if the fact the RBG launch was announced via the Palladium Books page, not the Rogue Heroes FB page… Which I see others beat me too above.



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The fact the folks are posting questions of what they would like to ask are a good step. That is the consideration I'm addressing. Rational Thought. I have stated above my own personal issues on the topic (above), but those issues are my issues and my considerations. Each of you will have your own to consider.

wilycoyote wrote:
Noticed that Morgan and also that the colour pics in the PBWU do not feature at all on Carmen's facebbok page.

I asked this on the KS forum, but how likely do you think it is that Kevin will be in the gRifts BG launch video?

I agree we all need to be civil if we are going to comment over there on the gRifts KS, but if it does go wrong and even if everybody is, I get a feeling that it will be the fault of those negative , nasty RTT backers

Oh, any issues will be the result of the negative, nasty RRT backers. That are only a small minority of a few dozen that could be easily bought off with refunds, but we won't do that for some reason (it being significantly more than a few dozen).

As for appearing in the gRifts BG launch video, I don't think it'll be likely. Quite possible, but I'd bet against it. Just seems too third rail-ey. But you probably can't go wrong betting on PB failing to manage expectations.

My question (and one I forgot to add to my list earlier) is how often, and how prominently either Kevin Siembeda or Palladium Books features in the credits. Will Kevin have anything beyond "Original Concept By", and a copyright/trademark acknowledgement to PB for the use of the terms? Or will it be significantly more? Kevin being a profound "credit hog".

As can be seen by this image, the PB logo is featured on both the front, and at least two side panels of a game that is being run by an independent company.


And weirdly similar to another game in which PB were "partners", where PB put there name on each panel, and twice on the front.


By comparison, on this FFG XWing game, the only logo is the FFG one. Nothing from LucasArts or Disney (not shy about their IP rights), or anyone else, despite it being no different than what PB/RHS declare is the case.


Oh, and if that's not convincing, here's Talisman, originally created by GW, arguably the only gaming company who are bigger IP weenies than Palladium. Again, only FFG on the box.


So yeah, I'd want more than some sketchy assurance that PB aren't all over this project.

Again, I don't want to see anyone get ripped off. But I want say it isn't going to be delightful to watch the PB fan friends who tell RRT backers "tough luck" get ripped off.

 n815e wrote:
Again, I don't want to see anyone get ripped off. But I want say it isn't going to be delightful to watch the PB fan friends who tell RRT backers "tough luck" get ripped off.

They won't care. It's clear that for a substantial number of the fan-friends, pissing away a hundred dollars to both support Palladium, and be used as a leverage point to stick it to backers with less patience and fervor, is a hundred dollars well spent. It's going to be the people who get suckered in by these enablers that are going to get screwed. Thankfully, it looks like there's going to be enough people pointing out the pitfalls so that they can at least be a little informed about the potential catastropheth.

That's assuming they back in the first place. I've seen at least one PB defender openly admit that they didn't back RRT (he wasn't confident that it'd be finished, so he was waiting for retail), but that the people who did should just accept that the money is gone.

EDIT : Rogue Heroes put up an hour ago (10pm EST) the time and date for the campaign start, 3PM Monday. Storms are the reason the announcement was delayed. Understandable reason, but the donkey cave part of me thinks it's kinda karmic.

Will PB fan friends become upset if they fund this project, wait years, then don't get rewards? If Carmen has a mental breakdown (imo, likely, given his suicide attempt), I'm not seeing him complete the KS without Palladium's "help". Either case sounds like a good chance the project will run out of funds, and, iirc, Carmen's already spent five figures (?) so far and I don't know if he has any more personal funds to draw from. I'd sure like to know how many of these PB fan friends exist, and how much money and patience they have for this KS project.

Morgan Vening wrote:

EDIT : Rogue Heroes put up an hour ago (10pm EST) the time and date for the campaign start, 3PM Monday. Storms are the reason the announcement was delayed. Understandable reason, but the donkey cave part of me thinks it's kinda karmic.

Storms were why he had no power/internet....even though all his neighbours were apparently just fine...so only HIS house got affected? Bull%%%%. That is not how that stuff works.....the whole thing even "SOUNDS" like Kevin wrote it.

 jaymz wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

EDIT : Rogue Heroes put up an hour ago (10pm EST) the time and date for the campaign start, 3PM Monday. Storms are the reason the announcement was delayed. Understandable reason, but the donkey cave part of me thinks it's kinda karmic.

Storms were why he had no power/internet....even though all his neighbours were apparently just fine...so only HIS house got affected? Bull%%%%. That is not how that stuff works.....the whole thing even "SOUNDS" like Kevin wrote it.

Do you have proof that is a lie? Not to defend him, but how do you know his neighbors were not affected? What is his day job? Is he one of the guys who fix downed power lines?

Yes, I do believe he's talking out his butt, but I do like to have a bit more info.

Never mind, found it. Depends on how the divide was. I once lived in a house that one side of the street was on a different line/grid than the other. The North side of the street was on the same lines as the school, nursing home, and police station. The South side of the street was on a strictly residential line. The Lines were in my back yard, and they were in the backyard of my across the street neighbors as well. It depends on the age of the town, and that of the power grid.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Again, I don't want to see anyone get ripped off. But I want say it isn't going to be delightful to watch the PB fan friends who tell RRT backers "tough luck" get ripped off.

They won't care. It's clear that for a substantial number of the fan-friends, pissing away a hundred dollars to both support Palladium, and be used as a leverage point to stick it to backers with less patience and fervor, is a hundred dollars well spent. It's going to be the people who get suckered in by these enablers that are going to get screwed. Thankfully, it looks like there's going to be enough people pointing out the pitfalls so that they can at least be a little informed about the potential catastropheth.

That's assuming they back in the first place. I've seen at least one PB defender openly admit that they didn't back RRT (he wasn't confident that it'd be finished, so he was waiting for retail), but that the people who did should just accept that the money is gone.

EDIT : Rogue Heroes put up an hour ago (10pm EST) the time and date for the campaign start, 3PM Monday. Storms are the reason the announcement was delayed. Understandable reason, but the donkey cave part of me thinks it's kinda karmic.

I wish some of them warned us when RRT was running, but it is obvious by PB's attraction of some of the lowest of the lowest, who would not bother to warn people and potential backers of PB's lack of ability in all things. so yes they are just as guilty as PB is, and I will not make their mistake, I will point out the facts that can and will be proven to them about PB, Carmen and so forth. like Carmen's mental state, PB's penchant for taking over projects they claim they have little to nothing to do with and so on and so on.

I frequently visit most of the popular miniatures and board game sites.

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any promotion of this outside of PB's weekly spam. You would think that if they were looking to maximize interest, they would rely on more than Palladium's cheap and lazy "spread the word."

I do realize that Carmen's experience amounts to only PB, but he wrote himself that he wanted to distance himself from them due to their reputation and handling of RRT. Yet he has basically handed everything over to people he knows are inept at doing things.

 megatrons2nd wrote:

 jaymz wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

EDIT : Rogue Heroes put up an hour ago (10pm EST) the time and date for the campaign start, 3PM Monday. Storms are the reason the announcement was delayed. Understandable reason, but the donkey cave part of me thinks it's kinda karmic.

Storms were why he had no power/internet....even though all his neighbours were apparently just fine...so only HIS house got affected? Bull%%%%. That is not how that stuff works.....the whole thing even "SOUNDS" like Kevin wrote it.

Do you have proof that is a lie? Not to defend him, but how do you know his neighbors were not affected? What is his day job? Is he one of the guys who fix downed power lines?

Yes, I do believe he's talking out his butt, but I do like to have a bit more info.

Never mind, found it. Depends on how the divide was. I once lived in a house that one side of the street was on a different line/grid than the other. The North side of the street was on the same lines as the school, nursing home, and police station. The South side of the street was on a strictly residential line. The Lines were in my back yard, and they were in the backyard of my across the street neighbors as well. It depends on the age of the town, and that of the power grid.

had he even said "though the people across the street seemed to be fine" I'd have had no issues. Saying "my neighbours all around me seemed fine"? Yeah not so much. A single house would not be on a separate grid from everyone around them. Same goes generally for internet. And Kevin has repeatedly ad nauseum rambled about how "storms knocked everything out and we couldn't work" etc even when a cursory check of hte weather reports indicate they had no such "storms" just some light snow or rain....thus my point of "it even *SOUNDS* like Kevin wrote it"

His day job is as a truck driver last I checked.


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 n815e wrote:
I frequently visit most of the popular miniatures and board game sites.

Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any promotion of this outside of PB's weekly spam. You would think that if they were looking to maximize interest, they would rely on more than Palladium's cheap and lazy "spread the word."

I do realize that Carmen's experience amounts to only PB, but he wrote himself that he wanted to distance himself from them due to their reputation and handling of RRT. Yet he has basically handed everything over to people he knows are inept at doing things.

Well when that is all you really know you tend to stick with what you know and who you trust......even if it's the worst possible thing you can do.

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=264970

The quotes from Kevin from 2012 about Carmen pushing a Rifts and Robotech miniatures game are relevant to claims of having nothing to do.with RRT.

Asterios wrote:
I wish some of them warned us when RRT was running,

I was under the impression when it the kick-starter campaign was running that Ninja Division was doing it and more a CMON project than Palladium.
Right now Kevin has four fingers in the rifts board game pot that he says he in not holding..

If the rifts game was available right now I wouldn't buy it. Because the simple fact I don't have any Rift RPG books and I can only think of one FLGS
that I would be able to buy them at, that is a shop that's been open for a few decades and maybe just old stock. I actually had a discussion with a guy that orders
products for a number of game shops in the local area.. His reply is "there is no requests for them, so we don't stock it", Most Rifts /Robotech fans are old timers..
Maybe half of them was backers of RRT.. That makes the pool of people buying it even smaller of who will back the game. Most young gamers don't know rifts IP
and most people will follow the trend of what the community is doing..

The price point and model count will be a big hurdle.. From what I seen the models look ok, but once you look at the big dogs and what they have to offer
it makes it even harder. Right now I am loving Shadow Wars and a local campaign is going.. so why buy something that would be almost impossible to get others
to even try to play.

Someone needs to ask Cameron for a time line.. Reaper and Kingdom Death did it, they got a ton of return backers.. But I feel within a few months Kevin will
be the one updating everything... and the updates will be "we are working on it"

 Genoside07 wrote:
Someone needs to ask Cameron for a time line.. Reaper and Kingdom Death did it, they got a ton of return backers.. But I feel within a few months Kevin will
be the one updating everything... and the updates will be "we are working on it"

Kevin is the only one really updating it now.

 n815e wrote:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=264970

The quotes from Kevin from 2012 about Carmen pushing a Rifts and Robotech miniatures game are relevant to claims of having nothing to do.with RRT.

For those having trouble finding it, the relevant post is about halfway down the page.

Here's the text.

Actually Eli Palladium (Kevin) is considering this. Check out this fairly recent update:

● Rifts® (and Robotech®?) Miniatures. Carmen Bellaire and I also continue to discuss the feasibility of releasing a Rifts® and/or Robotech® miniatures game even if it's on a limited basis to start. Let us know whether you might be interested in such products.

● In addition to Carmen's efforts, Palladium has been approached by two different people about making a Robotech® miniatures game. We are currently entertaining the possibilities.

And they are getting a first release of miniatures for Rifts ready. Kevin has also mentioned in the last few Palladium updates that a Robotech miniatures game is very much on his mind and that he is looking into letting some other folks develop it.

So who knows? Maybe there is a Rifts game in the works.

And here's the PBWU that it's referencing, March 1st, 2012. So, a week past five years, the Kickstarter finally launches.

I am NOT defending Carmen or PB but I do work for an electric utility as a GIS/OMS technician. It is possible for a single residence to be out of power to any number of reasons: issues inside the residence itself, service to the residence, transformer issues and more.