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**Asterios**

GuyverBlue wrote:
I am NOT defending Carmen or PB but I do work for an electric utility as a GIS/OMS technician. It is possible for a single residence to be out of power to any number of reasons: issues inside the residence itself, service to the residence, transformer issues and more.

yeah thing like not paying the power bill ? but wait, does that mean he doesn't have a smart phone since he could have done a facebook page update on a phone now too.

**WithintheDungeon**

Here is my final word on the topic. That's my last post (or concern)... And more appropriately its at my blog.
Best of luck to all. That's my last post here.

http://withinthedungeon.blogspot.com/2017/05/rpg-news-rifts-board-game-kickstarter_8.html

**megatrons2nd**

WithintheDungeon wrote:
Here is my final word on the topic. That's my last post (or concern)... And more appropriately its at my blog.
Best of luck to all. That's my last post here.

http://withinthedungeon.blogspot.com/2017/05/rpg-news-rifts-board-game-kickstarter_8.html

Interesting. Hmmmm. Research? Yep, did it, knew the company. Was completely lied to. You know the part that had, who was that again? Nina Division is doing all the heavy lifting? The company owner consistently moves the delivery dates. He has even been quoted to saying similar to we got more than we paid for and don't deserve anything else. I don't remember where the actual quote is, but I'm sure someone has it. They may not have set out to defraud us of money, but current actions are saying that is their intent now.

**n815e**

Someone on PB's FB wrote that PB printed up full color adverts for this and mailed them out to their customers.

**Alpharius**

WithintheDungeon wrote:
Here is my final word on the topic. That's my last post (or concern)... And more appropriately its at my blog.
Best of luck to all. That's my last post here.

http://withinthedungeon.blogspot.com/2017/05/rpg-news-rifts-board-game-kickstarter_8.html

It is always sad to see someone go, but if you feel you have to, then you should.

Meanwhile:

Monday, May 8, 2017
RPG NEWS: Rifts Board Game Kickstarter; Part Two
And... The Top Three Reasons Not to Participate!

Rifts Board Game

Look, the internet is the worst sort of venue to provide advice. Somehow, in the back of the readers mind, is this idea that what's really being shown, and especially if that topic is one which incites passion, is moral authority. Or worse that you're trying to dissuade them, because in secret you are actually in support of the company which (so far), essentially ripped them off...

This often gets out of hand, such as is the case with my inbox receiving a number of emails (5 total) concerning my blogposts posts here, and my posts in reference on the DakkaDakka forum.

Writing which, specifically concerns Robotech RPG Tactics (RRT) by Palladium Books & the about to launch Rifts Board Game (RBG) by Rogue Heroes. The only thing I can attribute this to, is me asking (angry) nerds, that if they decided to troll the Rifts Board Game that...

1) It would be in bad taste, given the circumstances and based on what they were claiming they were going to say and...

2) That they might consider posting with consideration and stick to the facts without making it a personal endeavor.

Okay... Maybe I did insert some moral authority... What can I say? There is a difference in showing displeasure with someone (or a company) based on their work and attacking them personally. And that's my view and I (apparently) have no right to insert it...

Okay, I could have also said, that if you backed Robotech RPG Tactics, and didn't do any research into the company you are a moron... And that's my view and I (apparently) have no right to insert it...

After all what's good for the goose...

If you choose not to do any research into PB and you backed... Are you still angry...? And even though I might think it, would it be okay for me to call you (based on the failure of the project and the fact that you participated) a moron based on that? Really? An idiot... A fool (you) and his money are easily parted... so on and so forth excreta... No, it really wouldn't, and neither should it be. This sort of rhetoric could go on endlessly... Reap what you sow, but get off of my grass (or inbox) in the meantime. The truth is all of us have made mistakes, some worse than others...

And before anything explodes I'm not addressing the many reasoned and more eloquent voices of dissent, the ones that might actually say or post something "insightful" and give links to prove their points or in the least reference their "theories." Including distinguishing the difference in the first place... (You know who you are)

Unless you truly believe, that Palladium Books botched this on purpose and with ill intent, I say the time has come to give them (and all their mismanagements) some slack... And especially if you're planning to troll, with that certain way (which was explicitly detailed to me) out of line sort of intensity... Just don't.

Honestly, this is my last post on the topic, I'll edit in the links to the actual Kickstarter post (3:00pm). Not that I need to say it, but I have been a serious and (hopefully) thoughtful pundit of both the RRT and RBG from the get-go. I do not support either project, which I covered the reasons why here and here. Originally, I planned to address the trolls more specifically, but in the spirit of reasons to NOT back the Rift Board Game, I'm Not addressing the trolls more specifically, other than send a link to that forum. Reasoned discussion is always welcome in the comments, troll comments which intend to inflame me when I've spent the time urging friends and blog readers to not back this project is pretty F@#$in' ridiculous.

In truth, I've reached the point where this whole debacle makes me (watch your shoes) want to "gak-gaaahk-gak." In the spirit of moral authority lets consult an expert... from a church I'll never attend and seemed the most relevant to the topic at hand.

Top 3 Reasons Not to Back!!!

“No matter how bad things are, you can always make things worse.”
― Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture

“The key question to keep asking is, Are you spending your time on the right things? Because time is all you have. ”
― Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture

“People are more important than things.”
― Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture

OK.

**Asterios**

Alpharius wrote:
WithintheDungeon wrote:
Here is my final word on the topic. That's my last post (or concern)... And more appropriately its at my blog.
Best of luck to all. That's my last post here.

http://withinthedungeon.blogspot.com/2017/05/rpg-news-rifts-board-game-kickstarter_8.html

It is always sad to see someone go, but if you feel you have to, then you should.

Meanwhile:

Monday, May 8, 2017
RPG NEWS: Rifts Board Game Kickstarter; Part Two
And... The Top Three Reasons Not to Participate!

Rifts Board Game

Look, the internet is the worst sort of venue to provide advice. Somehow, in the back of the readers mind, is this idea that what's really being shown, and especially if that topic is one which incites passion, is moral authority. Or worse that you're trying to dissuade them, because in secret you are actually in support of the company which (so far), essentially ripped them off...

This often gets out of hand, such as is the case with my inbox receiving a number of emails (5 total) concerning my blogposts posts here, and my posts in reference on the DakkaDakka forum.

Writing which, specifically concerns Robotech RPG Tactics (RRT) by Palladium Books & the about to launch Rifts Board Game (RBG) by Rogue Heroes. The only thing I can attribute this to, is me asking (angry) nerds, that if they decided to troll the Rifts Board Game that...

1) It would be in bad taste, given the circumstances and based on what they were claiming they were going to say and...

2) That they might consider posting with consideration and stick to the facts without making it a personal endeavor.

Okay... Maybe I did insert some moral authority... What can I say? There is a difference in showing displeasure with someone (or a company) based on their work and attacking them personally. And that's my view and I (apparently) have no right to insert it...

Okay, I could have also said, that if you backed Robotech RPG Tactics, and didn't do any research into the company you are a moron... And that's my view and I (apparently) have no right to insert it...

After all what's good for the goose...

If you choose not to do any research into PB and you backed... Are you still angry...? And even though I might think it, would it be okay for me to call you (based on the failure of the project and the fact that you participated) a moron based on that? Really? An idiot... A fool (you) and his money are easily parted... so on and so forth excreta... No, it really wouldn't, and neither should it be. This sort of rhetoric could go on endlessly... Reap what you sow, but get off of my grass (or inbox) in the meantime. The truth is all of us have made mistakes, some worse than others...

And before anything explodes I'm not addressing the many reasoned and more eloquent voices of dissent, the ones that might actually say or post something "insightful" and give links to prove their points or in the least reference their "theories." Including distinguishing the difference in the first place... (You know who you are)

Unless you truly believe, that Palladium Books botched this on purpose and with ill intent, I say the time has come to give them (and all their mismanagements) some slack... And especially if you're planning to troll, with that certain way (which was explicitly detailed to me) out of line sort of intensity... Just don't.

Honestly, this is my last post on the topic, I'll edit in the links to the actual Kickstarter post (3:00pm). Not that I need to say it, but I have been a serious and (hopefully) thoughtful pundit of both the RRT and RBG from the get-go. I do not support either project, which I covered the reasons why here and here. Originally, I planned to address the trolls more specifically, but in the spirit of reasons to NOT back the Rift Board Game, I'm Not addressing the trolls more specifically, other than send a link to that forum. Reasoned discussion is always welcome in the comments, troll comments which intend to inflame me when I've spent the time urging friends and blog readers to not back this project is pretty F@#$in' ridiculous.

In truth, I've reached the point where this whole debacle makes me (watch your shoes) want to "gak-gaaahk-gak." In the spirit of moral authority lets consult an expert... from a church I'll never attend and seemed the most relevant to the topic at hand.

Top 3 Reasons Not to Back!!!

“No matter how bad things are, you can always make things worse.”
― Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture

“The key question to keep asking is, Are you spending your time on the right things? Because time is all you have. ”
― Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture

“People are more important than things.”
― Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture

OK.

surprising no one that it is Jeff Duncan.

WithintheDungeon wrote:
Here is my final word on the topic. That's my last post (or concern)... And more appropriately its at my blog.
Best of luck to all. That's my last post here.

http://withinthedungeon.blogspot.com/2017/05/rpg-news-rifts-board-game-kickstarter_8.html

Jeff the problem with your theory is it is faulty at best, I can say one thing on the kickstarter and it will stick to the facts and nothing more and would kill that kickstarter faster then anything possible and Kevin gave me that evidence himself, it will be irrefutable it will be damaging and it will destroy the kickstarter. if not already destroyed Carmen.

**n815e**

Has anyone posted on BoardGameGeek?
i did a rudimentary search but there was no Game Entry that i could find.

I saw a lot of traffic for Savage Rifts Kickstarter from BBG.

It does seem odd that the#1 BG site wouldn't be utilized as a way of getting the word out about this prior to the launch of the KS, because it's as close to "free"* marketing that you're going to get, and that's not counting the advertising that could be purchased that would put the project on the front page.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=153372

Again, no promotion for this, other than what PB is pushing with their flyers and PBWU. But totally not a PB product and a great way to ensure success.

**Genoside07**

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rogueheroes/1874668638?token=d9276b98

Its up.. but not live.. Seems kind of lacking for $100.. but that won't stop people from backing it.

There are a lot of people on Carmen's Facebook page praising it.. While others basically calling him
out about the connection with Palladium books.

**Asterios**

Genoside07 wrote:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rogueheroes/1874668638?token=d9276b98

Its up.. but not live.. Seems kind of lacking for $100.. but that won't stop people from backing it.

There are a lot of people on Carmen's Facebook page praising it.. While others basically calling him
out about the connection with Palladium books.

hmm lets see games starting at $100 ($90 early bird) and a goal of $100K why do I feel this game will not fund, especially since even if it does he will not make enough to create it at that amount, he will need a minimum of $500K at minimum.

**Alpharius**

I don't know...I think it will fund.

Also:

The Rifts® Origin Story

Rifts® is a popular pen and paper role-playing game that exploded onto the scene in 1990. It's multi-genre blend of science fiction, fantasy and horror set in an alien, post-apocalyptic, future Earth made it an instant hit. An overnight sensation, the initial press run of 10,000 copies sold out in three weeks. The Rifts® RPG has since become known to millions of gamers, spawned more than 90 RPG titles, and has been optioned by Walt Disney Pictures for development into a live action movie by Jerry Bruckheimer Films.

Now, for the first time ever, Rifts® is being made into a miniatures board game. Brought to life by game designer Carmen Bellaire, long-time Rifts® fan, and his top sculptors from around the world.

This game is endorsed 100% by Palladium Books and Rifts® creator Kevin Siembieda. “I cannot think of anyone better or more qualified than Carmen to bring Rifts® to life as a miniatures board game. I have loved everything I have seen from Rogue Heroes. This game is amazing and I hope Rifts® fans support and spread the word about this labor of love. The Rifts® Board Game is everything I could have hoped it would be. Best of luck to Carmen and his crew.” – Kevin Siembieda

Did he just...wish himself best of luck?!?

And all the RIFTS RPG stuff available as add-ons?

Isn't helping the "PB isn't involved here at all" narrative...

**Asterios**

Alpharius wrote:
I don't know...I think it will fund.

Also:

The Rifts® Origin Story

Rifts® is a popular pen and paper role-playing game that exploded onto the scene in 1990. It's multi-genre blend of science fiction, fantasy and horror set in an alien, post-apocalyptic, future Earth made it an instant hit. An overnight sensation, the initial press run of 10,000 copies sold out in three weeks. The Rifts® RPG has since become known to millions of gamers, spawned more than 90 RPG titles, and has been optioned by Walt Disney Pictures for development into a live action movie by Jerry Bruckheimer Films.

Now, for the first time ever, Rifts® is being made into a miniatures board game. Brought to life by game designer Carmen Bellaire, long-time Rifts® fan, and his top sculptors from around the world.

This game is endorsed 100% by Palladium Books and Rifts® creator Kevin Siembieda. “I cannot think of anyone better or more qualified than Carmen to bring Rifts® to life as a miniatures board game. I have loved everything I have seen from Rogue Heroes. This game is amazing and I hope Rifts® fans support and spread the word about this labor of love. The Rifts® Board Game is everything I could have hoped it would be. Best of luck to Carmen and his crew.” – Kevin Siembieda

Did he just...wish himself best of luck?!?

And all the RIFTS RPG stuff available as add-ons?

Isn't helping the "PB isn't involved here at all" narrative...

he might fund, but will he have enough to make the project? highly doubtful so far in the first batch he has 16 unique model designs which means 16 unique mold cuts and such, this project will get out of hand very quickly and extremely costly too, and then there is the shipping overseas and such to where he is, and if he ships it from Canada to the US, thats gonna get ugly expensive, but still there will be the cost of shipping added to the pledge of the game which will deter a many backers and such.

**Merijeek**

You'd probably make a lot more sense most of the time if you didn't speak almost strictly in declarations.

**Asterios**

Merijeek wrote:
You'd probably make a lot more sense most of the time if you didn't speak almost strictly in declarations.

I was making statements

also I made a post on his query forum about some things and it vanished very fast.

also it appears his project is receiving some negative feedback in regards to cost (evidently it is being done at full retail price) and shipping costs.

**Alpharius**

You also stated "I don't think it will fund" which is a bit different than "will he have enough to make the project"!

Odds are, this one turns out to be a LOT like the Robotech RPG Tactics KS - partially fulfilled (maybe) and in limbo, for a long time...

**JohnHwangDD**

Guys, given that there's a Rogue Heroes thread, can the OFF TOPIC Rogue Heroes gak be shunted off into that cesspool instead? Leave this cesspool for the RRT gak?

It's particularly amusing that a [MOD] is posting so much OFF TOPIC stuff here...

Anyhow, here's where the Rogue Heroes Rifts gak should go:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724423.page

Thanks!

**Asterios**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Guys, given that there's a Rogue Heroes thread, can the OFF TOPIC Rogue Heroes gak be shunted off into that cesspool instead? Leave this cesspool for the RRT gak?

It's particularly amusing that a [MOD] is posting so much OFF TOPIC stuff here...

Anyhow, here's where the Rogue Heroes Rifts gak should go:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724423.page

Thanks!

but then we don't have anything to talk about here

**Alpharius**

Given that I think everyone thinks that the RIFTS KS will in fact directly be effecting this one, I'm not so sure how Off Topic it really is.

However, that is a good point.

I will also make sure that this thread remains 100% On Topic going forward.

Off Topic Posts will now most likely get deleted and the posters will get warned or possibly suspended for posting them.

I mean, how PB is that, right?

**Steve Dubya**

Long time lurker (followed RRT since launch), first time poster.

So Wayne Smith is evidently a part of the Rifts BG given his "Collaborator" responses on the draft page - as he's clearly interacting, maybe would be a good time to ping him about that project the company that he works for is responsible for still delivering...

[edit] And both Wayne and the Kevster are listed as Collaborators under when you click on the Project Creator. Yeah, this isn't a Palladium project at all.

**Lynx7725**

EDIT: Nvm. Someone else already posted.

**Alpharius**

OFF TOPIC POSTS DETECTED!

CEASE POSTING OFF TOPIC POSTS IMMEDIATELY OR SUFFER WARNINGS AND POTENTIAL SUSPENSIONS!!!!

**Asterios**

ok was looking thru old posts on the RRT kickstarter when i noticed I couldn't find Carmen's posts, but then found out why, he changed his name on Kickstarter to Casey.

you notice the RRT aspect of this post Alpharius?

**Alpharius**

YOU ARE SKIRTING THE LINE OF RULE #2.

I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS IS ON TOPIC HERE.

FINAL WARNING!!!!

**Asterios**

Alpharius wrote:
YOU ARE SKIRTING THE LINE OF RULE #2.

I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS IS ON TOPIC HERE.

FINAL WARNING!!!!

well it was in regards to posts on RRT, nothing but RRT was mentioned about how I could not find posts on the RRT forums I knew to be there but could not be found till i found out why.

**Alpharius**

Hint: I'm only kidding, for the most part.

There hasn't been anything of substance to talk about in here for...what?

2 years or more now?

J.H.D.D. was doing some amusing mini-Mod'ing up there, so I thought I'd just run with it!

It IS interesting that he's 'changed his name', but I'm not sure what, if anything, it actually signifies.

**Asterios**

Alpharius wrote:
Hint: I'm only kidding, for the most part.

There hasn't been anything of substance to talk about in here for...what?

2 years or more now?

J.H.D.D. was doing some amusing mini-Mod'ing up there, so I thought I'd just run with it!

It IS interesting that he's 'changed his name', but I'm not sure what, if anything, it actually signifies.

only thing I can think of is how is outburst on the RRT forums might come back to haunt them and since he couldn't delete them he changed his name so as to not show up so easily. but that is just a theory.

**JohnHwangDD**

Hey! The PBWU kicks the can down the road without fail! They're working on it.

Of course if "worked" like that... (zero results), I'd be fired.

**Forar**

Alpharius wrote:
J.H.D.D. was doing some amusing mini-Mod'ing up there, so I thought I'd just run with it!

I was gonna say, if JH got moderatorship, we're all really screwed now...

It IS interesting that he's 'changed his name', but I'm not sure what, if anything, it actually signifies.

It doesn't take a Real Internet Detective to connect this 'random account' that said all these things on those dates with this name changed account that did the same thing, so I'm doubtful it's much more than trying to reassert a tiny bit of distance/privacy.

Maybe it's an attempt at a thinly veiled bit of distancing, maybe he just didn't want to have his personal break that happened in a very public manner easily searchable? Honestly, trying to get Kickstarter to delete the comments outright would probably be even wiser, though I'm sure it'd be seen entirely as having ulterior motives, and not because... y'know, he sort of had a spectacularly bad day on the internet (to put it very mildly).

That whole exchange was thoroughly documented on a bunch of sites, including this one, and I'd say at least a half dozen others. Changing the account name does little to remove the ease of google searching up the whole thing with screenshots and commentary.

Edit: obviously I'm not looking to defend PB, Carmen, or anyone here. I'm just wary of every little thing being brought up in a manner that most closely resembles an "ACCUSE!" moment in a bad law show or maybe Phoenix Wright game.

**JohnHwangDD**

Forar wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
J.H.D.D. was doing some amusing mini-Mod'ing up there, so I thought I'd just run with it!

I was gonna say, if JH got moderatorship, we're all really screwed now...

Ha, as if! Besides, it's not like red text is restricted to mods only. Or is it? Hm.

Seriously, tho, I'm way more lax and slack (i.e. "lazy") than the current mods, so it'd be pointless. Nothing would change.

**Merijeek**

I have to say it's always sad seeing someone I like (in this case Jolly Blackburn) cheerleading a sleazy thief and his buddies.

**cannonfodr**

Sent a link and screenshot of last week's PBWU to infringements@gwplc.com last night. I don't expect anything to happen, but it wasn't much effort and would be hilarious if PB got a call from the evil empire. It's a shame that this didn't happen back when Kirby was running things, as I feel like GW would have been much more likely to do something back then.

Someone pass the popcorn. Rifts KS day 2 is starting soon. Someone should ask to see if they'll have Robotech crossover stretch goal.