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I would even argue that facebook interest has dropped off. It is just a few of the same old people posting anyfhing at all.

Nothing but apathy and lack of progress to make your day.

I'd have some small things for DW but I'm busy getting ready to move.

It is awfully tempting to blame PB for "ruining" the big plans for being able to play epic looking Robotech battles.
They suck as a manufacturer, but the bare-bones models are out there.
I have worked with less in the past.
I can at least say enough interest and outcry has been generated that the end affect is: "I got what I wanted.", not necessarily how I wanted or from whom.
I guess it is that there has been so much "low hanging fruit" of other fun gaming with easier "out of the box" play to be had.
You could rightly say if I was a REAL Robotech fan, whatever Palladium does from here-on should have zero impact on doing what I want.
I keep seeing demonstrated on the other facebook groups, talented people making all kinds of models on the subject.

Palladium tries very hard to appear relevant.
They have proven to be pretty much useless even with their own IP.
I would say the game has firmly shifted over to fan-base owned/support regardless of PB and HG being the IP holders.
I have seen Epic 40k flourish better being dropped by GW than what I see of PB and RRT being "supported".

But there's organized play! Remember, that's what their Megaversal Assbassadors(tm) were going to be doing!

I'm still in the MA group, and it's a total ghost town. They feed the same propaganda to those people as they do everyone else.

Thus why I bailed that along with everything else I was doing for/with them.

Bleh - if PB took their customers seriously, i might reciporcate. As far as I'm concerned, they went out of business a few years ago.

 Stormonu wrote:
Bleh - if PB took their customers seriously, i might reciporcate. As far as I'm concerned, they went out of business a few years ago.

They do give the impression that the "lights are on (off in this case?) and nobody home.".
Taking customers seriously I think is understanding that when someone gives you money under an agreement, you are to reciprocate with the wanted item requested.
They keep playing with ways to give out "what they feel like".

Funny, ran into similar characters through my work as suppliers.
They made some big parts for us we supplied the mating parts to check fit for their build.
We were told the parts were wrong because they did not fit theirs.
I had reviewed the parts previously, measured them again and found they had more clearance that should have helped.
I said check again and they send me a picture of measuring instrument on their part with the caption "See it is correct."
I read the instrument and could see their part was way oversized, sent an email saying as much. (I "think" he was trying to baffle with BS... not sure where his head was at.)
Got a phone call telling me "You can off and you can take the part after paying $30000! (holding ransome??)
Told them to calm down and that it was their error, not ours.
They pulled a few other squirrelly bits after that as we tried to finish / extract the job.
They were looking at a fair bit of business from us (3 other large projects coming down the pipe) and just by a few emotional outbursts: it all went away.
Last thing I hear him complaining is "Now what am I going to do? You owe me for the work you pulled!" My only response was "You owe us for possibly entering us into a late delivery fine on the contract and should sue you for that amount."
The real issue was they were unreliable and rather volatile so they were a business risk to project timelines.

The sense of entitlement was absolutely amazing, they treated the work we gave as them doing us a favor and to like it or lump it (found mainly when it was on their machine).

Ultimately, the customer decides if you get work or money and in the end all repeat business as a certainty is decided.
Palladium Books and that wonderful supplier will NEVER get my business (money) now.
Narcissists can make the world such a strange and magical place I tell you...

Sounds like a recent experience I had with a contractor. Guy called me just before midnight with a quote. I told him I wasn't interested and hung up​. Next day he calls back and says that I owed him an explanation for not accepting his bid. When I told him I didn't appreciate the time of the call or his attitude, he started lighting me up over email for not appreciating his hard work as a small business owner. Some people just seem to think the world owes them everything because they tried.

June 16,2017 Palladium update.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Wayne and I spent half this morning on a conference call with a manufacturer, discussing their initial quote. There were some points that needed clarification, but it was a productive call and we look forward to getting their revised quote soon. A lot is going on with all aspects of RRT Wave 2 and plans for the relaunch of the game line and strong support, new product releases, demo kits, tournaments, organized play, and a lot of other ideas for the future of Robotech® RPG Tactics™. As soon as we have hard details and strong estimated release dates, we will be thrilled to share them with you.

But the good news is they hired a business manager to fix all problems and they now have Rifts cooler cups... Just what everyone was asking for..

Sadly the new business manager is fighting an uphill battle and the problem is the person he works for... So how do you fix that??

"we look forward to getting their revised quote soon."

Yeah. Soon.

Days? Weeks? Months?

I know Kevin is afraid of specifics. But if the manufacturer wasn't able to finalize a date (+/- a week) for the quote, then they're not serious about it.

As for the new business manager... dang. That's a position that should come with hazard pay. Wonder how long he'll last. And how often he'll hide behind "I'll get back to you on that". Because you know everything will still go through Kevin. I expect nothing except more obfuscation.

Apparently they are not having much luck in finding someone that is willing to produce wave 2 for solely the glory of working with Kevin, instead of actual money.

Meanwhile, one wonders how these clowns can afford to pay a 'business manager'. Maybe this fool is willing to work for some of that vast overstock of wave 1 still sitting on pallets?

 Genoside07 wrote:
June 16,2017 Palladium update.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Wayne and I spent half this morning on a conference call with a manufacturer, discussing their initial quote. There were some points that needed clarification, but it was a productive call and we look forward to getting their revised quote soon. A lot is going on with all aspects of RRT Wave 2 and plans for the relaunch of the game line and strong support, new product releases, demo kits, tournaments, organized play, and a lot of other ideas for the future of Robotech® RPG Tactics™. As soon as we have hard details and strong estimated release dates, we will be thrilled to share them with you.

But the good news is they hired a business manager to fix all problems and they now have Rifts cooler cups... Just what everyone was asking for..

Sadly the new business manager is fighting an uphill battle and the problem is the person he works for... So how do you fix that??

Kevin also has it on good authority that the packages will be delivered by unicorns.

"Strong estimated release dates"?

Oh boy...

You almost feel sorry for the guy.. The company has been close to bankrupt a number of times and changes required will go against Kevin..

Makes me wonder if the guy that embezzled all the Kevin's toys and sold them a few decades ago was actually trying to get money he was owed.
Knowing that Kevin cared more about his toys than his workers and the guy just wanted revenge of some sort.

Again I do feel sorry for the guy... he will spend years trying fix the damage done and it may not get him anywhere.

I'm torn...

I want to ask this guy just how desperate he was for a job.

...but I also want to ask him what is FotM username is...

The person they hired is Scott Gibbons. I don't know if he was on the boards or not before now.

I found one reference for him here; http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=602:palladium-booksr-2012-open-house-report&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

Scott Gibbons ran game after game of his improved and evolving Rifts® board game. Wayne and I had intended to play, but somehow we just never had the time to do so. I heard a lot of positive feedback about the game and look forward to playing it. (Scott left a copy of it for us to peruse, not that we’ve had time to do so yet. As of May 16, as I write this, we have been working like crazy to catch up with work and get back to releasing new products.) Scott is a frequent contributor to The Rifter® and an all-around nice guy. If I met his wife Gwen before (I think I have), I couldn’t remember with certainty. It was nice meeting their son, Jacob, who is a natural born gamer. All three of the Gibbons family members played in Game Three of my DeSilca Aftermath game.

I dont recall a rifts board game in 2012 by Scott.


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I just saw the announcement about his hiring;

We have brought in Scott Gibbons to manage the company. Scott will handle many of the day to day business matters and marketing. This should lead to more products and timely releases, and improved communications.

Dang. I can hear that bus coming already.

A cursory search ties Scott to Palladium and a board game. Is Carmen out on his ear (sans license fee, sorry Carmen!) and Scott in as the new proud owner of a license to kickstart his OWN board game?
Regardless, the guy is a Kevster buddy so has no power to make the Kevster DO anything. Another Palladium puppet prepared to feign ignorance about the Robotech disaster rather than tell Kevin it's pretty much his non delivery that is the source of his woes. Expect Scott to act 'shocked' and 'appalled' at the Robotech situation and promise to set it straight before running silent about it for another 24 months. How many clowns can the Palladium smart car hold?

Regarding the Gibbons Rifts game, maybe that's the Talisman clone knock-off that was being bandied about? I know it was brought up when this most recent incarnation was brought up, and it was categorically denied as being what Carmen was doing. Quite possible it was yet a third person.

And as I and others have said, unless there's an announcement that Kevin is stepping away from ALL business AND editorial duties, and others are named as developmental heads for the various properties, I don't see why there's any reason to believe anything will change, other than Kevin having a meatshield. Kevin's ALWAYS been the problem. And the bottleneck. If everything has to pass through Kevin to Scott, and Scott has to answer to Kevin for every decision and mistake, how is this any different?

Not that it changes anything. As spectators in this farce, we're used to seeing this play out. Promises of change, continuation of the status quo.

If this does represent an honest shift in business, it has me surprised!

It could also mean that Kevin is looking to phase away from PB and into retirement, doing that in steps, setting up the transition team.

We've all seen the bs coming out of there. Staff coming and going. But a business manager and IP manager are big changes for PB.

evilsmurf wrote:


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I just saw the announcement about his hiring;

We have brought in Scott Gibbons to manage the company. Scott will handle many of the day to day business matters and marketing. This should lead to more products and timely releases, and improved communications.

Dang. I can hear that bus coming already.

When the old Gypsy woman said he'd be stuck by a dog she forgot to use the proper word - Greyhound.

Scott is also the head of improved social media...

So he will have to go to Kevin and tell him that he can not keep saying "we are working on RTT" every week.
That it requires an actual update to make an improvement with customers.

Then Kevin will explain the truth to him that there is no money to advance the work on RTT so
there can be no update... And since there is no money Scott will also be told he will be paid in
action figures the next few weeks.

Lol

New guy is off to an auspicious start. They haven't posted the latest pbwu to facebook.

cannonfodr wrote:
New guy is off to an auspicious start. They haven't posted the latest pbwu to facebook.

I notice it to. Well I don't think he 'll do any better. It will be same old crap as alway from PB.

Watch your mouth!

It will be genre-redefining old crap, TYVM!

Merijeek wrote:
Watch your mouth!

It will be genre-redefining old crap, TYVM!

Sure anything you say.

The Talisman ripoff was definetly Carmen's. He was showing it off at open house and soon as I saw it I knew exactly what game he was copying.

Remember, Carmen is the only one in a position to "fix" RRT, so hiring Scott will do us no good...

I too am wondering exactly what monies PB could possibly be paying Scott's salary with - perhaps Carmen took that unreviewed copy of the Rifts BG and now Unca Kev needs to keep a lawsuit off his back ... one way or another.