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Lying's gotten kevin this far.

evilsmurf wrote:
Lying's gotten kevin this far.

Indeed. Instead of focusing on the only question that matters, "Where the **** is the stuff?" people have let themselves get sidetracked by BS. Remember the great Gencon sales poll? Didn't matter, as Palladium was going to sell there anyway, whether backers had anything or not. But it caused much light and heat. And the much beloved Great Scale Debate? Pages of arguing about what scale models that were never going to be produced anyway should be. A masterful deflection by the king of double speak.

I am pretty sure that he intended to do further generations and wanted to know what opinions on scale there were. He doesn't strike me as a doer, just a dreamer, and in his 60ish years never learned that thinking of things doean't make them magically happen. This is why Scott may actually get stuff done.

Agreed a "hands on" project manager is what has been needed here for years, certainly Wayne or Chuck Walton never seemed to be that.

However, the proof will be in the update due tomorrow, has there actually been a seed change or is it still chaff blowing in the wind?

Morgan Vening wrote:
Simply put, it requires PB to be open, honest, accepting of criticism, and willing to put their responsibilities above their own personal needs. But if Kevin has the faith in his backers and supporters, and they have the faith in him, that he claims, it'd be the right thing to do.
So... ball's in his court. I bet he trips over it.

Good points but as point out, the method outlined is pretty unlikely as well.
That would be an assumption someone would like to do the right thing and may want to show some integrity prior to closing their doors.

If things were that grim and I was in charge, I would have a 3rd party accounting audit (like for public businesses) and be able to talk from a position of verified truth and then pose some of those options.
BUT knowing them, we shall just find a way to keep hitting paste on "we are working on it".

We've got a day. What will the exciting news be?

It will certainly be something for sale at Gen Con. But what will it be? One of the long-awaited resin pieces? An extra 5% off of all PB products over 5 years old?

If anyone is interested or cares, i updated the rrt wiki with any and all official material that is presently available.

Whats the link for that Jaymz?

Merijeek wrote:
We've got a day. What will the exciting news be?

It will certainly be something for sale at Gen Con. But what will it be? One of the long-awaited resin pieces? An extra 5% off of all PB products over 5 years old?

Well, they do have a voucher in the GenCon booklet for 30% off pretty much everything. Which is uncommon. Most retailers sell at full MSRP at the con. But it's not a sign of desperation. Nope.

As for the "no later than" from Scott's introductory Update, in typical PB fashion, they've left it to the last minute. If it was done, he could have uploaded it yesterday, Scott has to take time out of his holiday to upload (and possibly write) the Update.

Personally, I'm not expecting much in terms of content. There might be a few backer relevant facts about a production schedule, but I doubt there'll be much in the way of physical proof in the form of the wire frame parts, or sprue layouts, PPP's or even just a progress list on all the items that was promised by Wayne a week shy of two years ago. And any "good news", I expect to be tempered with some bad news. Anything from a unilateral change to rewards, to deprioritization of backers, to something I can't even imagine. All I do know, is that I don't expect much. Because if it IS chock full of juicy details and information, then why have PB been sitting on it? It's not like Kevin is shy about boasting about progress, often well before it's justified.

Heck, I barely give it a 50/50 chance that the Update is not delayed. Illness, family obligations, power outage, internet outage, snowstorm (yes, I know it's summer in the USA). All excuses PB have used in the past. So just posting something will be an improvement. Or it could just be business as usual, and the next Update will start with "Sorry it took so long". All I know is, if the next Update is not impressive, and if it kicks the can down the road again, I expect things to turn, quickly.

 jaymz wrote:
If anyone is interested or cares, i updated the rrt wiki with any and all official material that is presently available.

What, and miss all your hard work?
Link is here: http://robotech-rpg-tactics.wikia.com/wiki/Robotech_RPG_Tactics_Wiki
Thanks Jaymz.
I must add that is WAY better than trying to pull it out of Drive-Thru RPG.

Yeah dtr is a pain the ass.....

 jaymz wrote:
Yeah dtr is a pain the ass.....

It may be, but that's more PB handling it badly. Shocker that that is the cause.

Here's hoping PB don't go incredibly anal and start to accept that online resources are a part of how modern gaming work.

But it would absolutely not shock me if Kevin wanted to issue a Cease and Desist. The internet just being a fad and all.

I can actually imagine Scott had it written last week and it is sitting on Kevin's desk, waiting for approval... "Could you spend one damn minute not doodling or watching youtube to read the thing???"

 n815e wrote:
I can actually imagine Scott had it written last week and it is sitting on Kevin's desk, waiting for approval... "Could you spend one damn minute not doodling or watching youtube to read the thing???"

And of course Kevin asks... "Did you mention we are working on it??"

 n815e wrote:
I can actually imagine Scott had it written last week and it is sitting on Kevin's desk, waiting for approval... "Could you spend one damn minute not doodling or watching youtube to read the thing???"

Oh i just dtr to be a pain in general.

New Kickstarter Update, on time.

Sadly, nothing new. Quotes are still ongoing, nothing to show, a lot of minor things (Secondary Backers, GenCon attendence), but absolutely nothing of substance. Release date this year unlikely.

But he'll be back in two weeks! Likely with more nothing. If that's all he could get in two weeks of working on it, then there's not likely ever going to be movement.

He had his chance, to show he was different. He stepped on his dick. It's the Palladium Way.

I didn't expect him to do much in 2 weeks. I'm not actively hopeful he'll do anything more than Chuck or Jeff did either, but IF he were to manage to turn things around (again, let's use our imaginations here, I'm talking about a hypothetical), I doubt it'd only be in a month or two of catching up and getting down to things.

I'll still give him benefit of the doubt (moreso than the old hands like Wayne and Kevin that is), if just because I'd like to see him succeed where they failed for years. I mean, getting more plastic to sell off or throw out would be fine with me, but someone stepping up and doing what they couldn't would be a nice enough schadenfreude for me.

Oh, Kevin would spin it as all him, but he's delusional enough that I'm sure the sun rises each day as he demands. We'd all know that someone finally did what they couldn't.

Yeah kind of my feeling also... just pushing the rock down the road...
Delay Delay Delay.. if we can not produce a product with in five years we get to keep the money.. or some other random loophole I am sure Pa Pa Kevin has found.
Would rather exploit it than do the right thing...

So just more words that mean nothing... Wouldn't surprise me if Palladium didn't attend Gen Con this year..

 Forar wrote:
I didn't expect him to do much in 2 weeks. I'm not actively hopeful he'll do anything more than Chuck or Jeff did either, but IF he were to manage to turn things around (again, let's use our imaginations here, I'm talking about a hypothetical), I doubt it'd only be in a month or two of catching up and getting down to things.

I'll still give him benefit of the doubt (moreso than the old hands like Wayne and Kevin that is), if just because I'd like to see him succeed where they failed for years. I mean, getting more plastic to sell off or throw out would be fine with me, but someone stepping up and doing what they couldn't would be a nice enough schadenfreude for me.

Oh, Kevin would spin it as all him, but he's delusional enough that I'm sure the sun rises each day as he demands. We'd all know that someone finally did what they couldn't.

I didn't expect much either, but it's well below what I'd consider acceptable after two weeks working on it.

Off the top of my head...
What are the quotes for? Is it for the final stage, with PB having the digital sprue layout templates? Or do they have to do that design work too? Do they have to make the sprue layouts from parts components (the wireframes we saw in early 2015), or do they have to do that too? Do they have to make the wire designs from the original digital sculpts? Remember, this was Wayne, almost two years ago.

"As for Wave 2, I’m working on a big breakdown of where each and every component is in its development, but that’s going to take some time. The short version is that some have been approved for tooling, some are still pending minor changes, and a couple are being reworked to reduce part counts while preserving detail. It’s going painfully slowly."

Give a simple, non-vague description of several items, and how that fits into the current manufacturers quote.

An answer on the Super 1D's (has a decision been reached on how these will be done?), resin components (what are the plans for getting these done?) and what's being done about the Roy/Rick G/F modes (it was rumored these were going to be generic G/F, but it was never confirmed).

Needing people to sound off in the affirmative to get ForceOrgs, instead of just being provided WITH this Update (it was initially promised in the big history of everything more than two years ago), was a missed opportunity.

An outline of a plan (12%?) being announced about what's being done for organized play, and what the nebulous "reboot" is going to look like, are two things he could have gone into detail on. Given it's only a half year, give or take (Heh), from happening.

All I know is if what he posted was all he could do in two weeks, I'm thinking it's going to be a long road of being strung along. It didn't have the self-serving bs we've come to expect from Kevin and Wayne, but it's just as light on information. And information was what was needed, IMO.

So, the new guy's "improved" plan is to go from pretending to get A quote to pretending to get ELEVEN quotes.

Well, gak. Certainly worth the benefit of the doubt.

That, and "Oh look, I've got a PDF. Let me know if you want me to post it so I have something to call a success in two weeks when I graciously post it."

Hope Scooter enjoyed those two weeks of benefit of doubts because he just became yet another person lying to 5,342 people on a regular basis about 1.44 million dollars. That will look good on your resume later I'm sure.
Scott is yet another blundering dullard added to the foundation of liars.

I heard a rumor that a major cause for all the delays is that the files for the 3d sculpts were "stolen" and that PB can't afford to replace them. I'm a bit skeptical since people stealing from Kevin seems to be the go to excuse on why things are doing so poorly, but I also wonder if a lot of that theft isn't done as revenge because he treats and pays his workers so crappy. employees get fed up and start looking for ways to damage the company. Typically when you have a long list of people engaging in similar and repeated behaviors it's because the managers are creating a toxic culture. I think that it's suspect that he'd have to fire people on a regular basis for theft as it just seems like it's far too many times to be simple happenstance.

I'm wondering if the freelance artist got shortchanged by PB and is claiming his files were hacked and stolen, regardless of if the loss is intentional or not it'd really just kill any chance of this ever being completed. While I don't normally take rumors at face value it would explain a lot of the smokescreens and why we've yet to see any render or prints of the wave two items apart from what ninja division had shown.

It's a digital fething file. If Kevin is so goddamned stupid as to not get a copy of work product that he has paid for (assuming he paid for it, which when dealing with a known thief isn't a sure thing)...

Or, you know, Dropbox. Box. Google Drive.

Although I expect Kevin thinks that any or all of those might have been specifically setup to steal from him. They're just playing the long game so that they can steal his IP.


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...oh, and one more thought.

For those who suspect that this guy doesn't even exist? Note the fact he'll be skipping Gen Con because he has to finish up the master plan to save PB from KS.

Why would Palladium lie about adding someone to their company.. Its not like they have lied before??

Lets see..
98% complete, just need the kickstarter money to start production.
Everyone voted for Palladium to sale at Gen Con before shipping to backers.
We are working on Robotech Tactics for the past four years..

We could start a game of it... Kevin says...

But I don't see it.... Why would they lie??

How many borderline bankrupt companies are able to add a person to a high level position on their payroll..??

However, he does appear on PB's main site as "Scott Gibbons – Facilitator".

At least they're internally consistent?

Oh, and I love this bit: " and does woodworking and metal casting as hobbies."

Guess that's one less thing they need Carmen for, then.

So are they counting non-votes for the force org charts as a yes?

Also ironic that still no new renders for Robotech while DP9 releases an update with their 3rd render for their upcoming Heavy Gear kickstarter.

I wonder if part of the problem and file compatibility issue is that Kevin's scanned refrigerator art can't be used by the manufacturers?

I'm not terribly impressed with Scott's responses, but it does take some time to raise the Titanic off the ocean floor, so to speak. I'd be more impressed about the "ten other quotes" if PB had any money left to actually cement them.

Does seem the FOC is a distraction like the size and Gencon sales, though. They should have just posted that without even bothering to ask.

Still skeptical at this point, I still don't believe PB has the money - or the will - to finish this hose job.

Nobody is expecting miracles. However, at this point he is just regurgitating the exact same crap - combined with a ridiculously unrealistic "we MIGHT not make it this year" take on things.

But hey, my wife might have s supermodel waiting for me in the bed tonight . Since in Palladium world reality isn't all that important.

Merijeek wrote:
But hey, my wife might have s supermodel waiting for me in the bed tonight . Since in Palladium world reality isn't all that important.

There are also times you must state that your wife IS the supermodel waiting in your bed.
Because sometimes you need to demonstrate loyalty to those you are tied to.
Scott has a marriage of his own to deal with...
This parallelism is getting creepy, I need to move-on.

cannonfodr wrote:
So are they counting non-votes for the force org charts as a yes?

Also ironic that still no new renders for Robotech while DP9 releases an update with their 3rd render for their upcoming Heavy Gear kickstarter.

DP9 made a hella ton of mistakes during their Kickstarter, but they still managed to make Palladium look like a gang of clowns.