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So I'm trying to decide between Halbreds vs Falchions for a squad of Termies. If I am doing my math right, on the charge, the Halbreds do 6.225 Wounds vs MEQ while the Falchions do 6.6 wounds. They are a bit better against vehicles and higher toughness things. They are also half the cost. Any general recommendations for squads of these guys?

This has been discussed loads of times in old threads. I'm not going to re-hash all the math-hammer, but here's the basic gist:

On 2 attack models, the halberds math out ahead of the falchions against MEQ assuming you have no psychic buffs; plus they are half the price.

However, if you have Hammerhand on, the falchions come out ahead against models T4 or worse, because both weapons are wounding on a 2 at that point.

As a result, you see people having preferences one way or another depending on preferred play style. Want to cast buffs on all your squad? Go falchions. Want to save the warp charge to use other powers? Consider halberds.

Another factor to consider is your local meta. If you're fighting a lot of high T / high AV models, then access to str 7 at initiative with the halberds + hammerhand is nice. Though many would argue that these situations are what the conventional 1 hammer / 5 models is for.

Pretty much this.

If you are following the recommended 1 Hammer per 5 models on PA, Halberds are less useful that Falchions, while Swords are always free. On TDA, you should be taking 2 Hammers per 5, which again makes Falchions more useful than Halberds on the other 3 per 5.

If you aren't taking Hammers, then Halberds aren't so bad. (The double negative implying that Halberds are bad if you take Hammers.)

SJ

Or, really, just save your points and spend it on more guns because you beat most stuff in assault anyways, and the only weapon that tends to matter against the stuff you struggle against are hammers.

This build is tried and tested:
Terminator Squad - 195
- 5 Grey Knight Terminators
- Psycannon
- Nemesis Daemon Hammer

Personally I think justicars should always be kitted out with falchions to maximize their challenge chances.

 JusticarT wrote:
This has been discussed loads of times in old threads. I'm not going to re-hash all the math-hammer, but here's the basic gist:

On 2 attack models, the halberds math out ahead of the falchions against MEQ assuming you have no psychic buffs; plus they are half the price.

However, if you have Hammerhand on, the falchions come out ahead against models T4 or worse, because both weapons are wounding on a 2 at that point.

As a result, you see people having preferences one way or another depending on preferred play style. Want to cast buffs on all your squad? Go falchions. Want to save the warp charge to use other powers? Consider halberds.

Another factor to consider is your local meta. If you're fighting a lot of high T / high AV models, then access to str 7 at initiative with the halberds + hammerhand is nice. Though many would argue that these situations are what the conventional 1 hammer / 5 models is for.

Thank you. I was leaning toward "It seems to be somewhat personal preference/they are close enough for lots of preference based arguments" which generally translates to me for "Rule of what I think is cool or fits best." Course....now I have to decide what I think looks the coolest.

Lendys wrote:

 JusticarT wrote:
This has been discussed loads of times in old threads. I'm not going to re-hash all the math-hammer, but here's the basic gist:

On 2 attack models, the halberds math out ahead of the falchions against MEQ assuming you have no psychic buffs; plus they are half the price.

However, if you have Hammerhand on, the falchions come out ahead against models T4 or worse, because both weapons are wounding on a 2 at that point.

As a result, you see people having preferences one way or another depending on preferred play style. Want to cast buffs on all your squad? Go falchions. Want to save the warp charge to use other powers? Consider halberds.

Another factor to consider is your local meta. If you're fighting a lot of high T / high AV models, then access to str 7 at initiative with the halberds + hammerhand is nice. Though many would argue that these situations are what the conventional 1 hammer / 5 models is for.

Thank you. I was leaning toward "It seems to be somewhat personal preference/they are close enough for lots of preference based arguments" which generally translates to me for "Rule of what I think is cool or fits best." Course....now I have to decide what I think looks the coolest.

Something that I think looks really cool: put the full size sword in one hand and the smaller falchion on the off hand for your falchion termies. Looks like an old-school duelist or something of the sort.

I put a Hammer shaft on a Sword blade to represent the Soul Glaive, because of course I did. : )

SJ