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All of Wh40k Vs All of starwars, Heres the scenario.

The imperium of man Has Recently launced an crusade into some newly discovered space, only to discover several habitable planets are filled with filthy xenos, heretics and traitors to the human race, The tau have an race untainted bye the imperium so they see an chance to expand their empire and spread the greater good. The ork's find the new race and see an chance of mass lootin,the tyranid scourge sees an opportunity to consume more biomass so an mysterious hive fleet appears,an necron fleet has been dispatched to claim more souls and ravage the new galaxys life, the worshippers of chaos undivided see an chance to add more to the slaughter and claim more souls for their dark gods, the eldar take notice to their old enimes the necrons and chaos so they jump in, and lastly the dark eldar jump in for some nasty fun and souls to feed off of. ........................................

Meanwhile the entire universe of star wars sets aside their petty differences to realize the greater threats so they temporarly join and amass all of their resources and decide to defend and counter attack the new threats faced upon them.

So what is the question?

No. Just no. This sort of thing has been done to death.
The necessary numbers cannot be calculated for Warhammer due to the massive difference in fluff.

Chaos corrupts the comparatively libertine societies of Star Wars in quick order and civil strife leaves the Star Wars alliance weakened for the 40k Alliance to sweep aside.

Alternatively: The united, fully awakened Necrons solo all of Star Wars.

 Kain wrote:

Alternatively: The united, fully awakened Necrons solo all of Star Wars.

and the rest of existence.

its not over done its fun, not to metion the starwars universe is very large,and some can even say could hold its own.

The SW galaxy is smaller than the Milky Way by orders of magnitude.

However, there is no Warp in SW, just as there is no Force in 40K. These are not one and the same thing. There needs to be established which setting this war is taking place in.

Also, what era of SW? Old Republic? New Sith Wars? Army of Light? NJO? Vong Invasion?

 Psienesis wrote:
The SW galaxy is smaller than the Milky Way by orders of magnitude.

However, there is no Warp in SW, just as there is no Force in 40K. These are not one and the same thing. There needs to be established which setting this war is taking place in.

Also, what era of SW? Old Republic? New Sith Wars? Army of Light? NJO? Vong Invasion?

The latest versions of both universes,somewhere near each galxy border, and no all 40k universes are not united, they are looking for their own agendas so this battle will be an utter free for all, however all factions of the imperium are united, and have no disputes.

I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

Then 40K takes it in a landslide, since the SW galaxy is *fethed* following the Vong invasion.

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

I bet the Orks have better aim.

 Psienesis wrote:
Then 40K takes it in a landslide, since the SW galaxy is *fethed* following the Vong invasion.

After Darth Vader was ass kicked a little, they found him worthy of service, and invited him to a random Space Marine chapter as a recruit.
End of story.

 ProwlerPC wrote:

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

I bet the Orks have better aim.

Please the orks just have so much dakka.


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 ProwlerPC wrote:

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

I bet the Orks have better aim.

Yeah right, they just have all the dakka.

Singularity678 wrote:
its not over done its fun, not to metion the starwars universe is very large,and some can even say could hold its own.

The Necrons at full throttle can go boxing with Metroid's Chozo and Halo's forerunners and hold their own and possibly even win.

Star Wars doesn't have that kind of Chutzpah.

 Psienesis wrote:
The SW galaxy is smaller than the Milky Way by orders of magnitude.

However, there is no Warp in SW, just as there is no Force in 40K. These are not one and the same thing. There needs to be established which setting this war is taking place in.

Also, what era of SW? Old Republic? New Sith Wars? Army of Light? NJO? Vong Invasion?

The Milky Way is approximately 100,000 light years across. This gives us an area of roughly 7.85 x10^9 light years squared. The Star Wars Galaxy is 120,000 light years across, for an area of roughly 1.1304 x 10^10 light years squared, This means the Star Wars galaxy is almost 150% the size of the Milky Way. Additionally we have no idea how the Force works. It is possible it would still work in our galaxy.

The other problem is numbers. While we have no idea how fast Star Wars ships travel in hyperspace, the fact that ships repeatedly cross half the galaxy in a matter of hours (as demonstrated in A New Hope, The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones) requires speeds in the range of 10 million to 100 million times c. Meanwhile Warhammer 40K ships (if travelling in the Milky Way) travel at the speed of plot.

 Kain wrote:

Singularity678 wrote:
its not over done its fun, not to metion the starwars universe is very large,and some can even say could hold its own.

The Necrons at full throttle can go boxing with Metroid's Chozo and Halo's forerunners and hold their own and possibly even win.

Star Wars doesn't have that kind of Chutzpah.

Are you sure, as i said every one has their own agenda, if the necrons run into the imperium of man they will not team up, instead they would literaly attack each other,while star wars united would be stuck inbetween it all, actually if you think of it i think the tau would eventually join the star wars universe.

 ProwlerPC wrote:

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

I bet the Orks have better aim.

Probably not, seeing as Stormtroopers have very good aim. You realize how hard it is to hit something the size of R2-D2 from 30 yards without aiming, right? Additionally does nobody watch the opening assault on the Tantive IV in A New Hope, where the Stormtroppers are slaughtering the rebels?

 Happyjew wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

I bet the Orks have better aim.

Probably not, seeing as Stormtroopers have very good aim. You realize how hard it is to hit something the size of R2-D2 from 30 yards without aiming, right? Additionally does nobody watch the opening assault on the Tantive IV in A New Hope, where the Stormtroppers are slaughtering the rebels?

Rebel Fighters failed their morale check, because of Darth Vader

 Happyjew wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I think it would be fun to watch a gunfight between Orks and Stormtroopers.

I bet the Orks have better aim.

Probably not, seeing as Stormtroopers have very good aim. You realize how hard it is to hit something the size of R2-D2 from 30 yards without aiming, right? Additionally does nobody watch the opening assault on the Tantive IV in A New Hope, where the Stormtroppers are slaughtering the rebels?

But wait what about inquisitorial storm troopers vs storm troopers of starwars.

Star Wars. The math in it is just so much higher. It would wipe the floor with 40k.

A light turbolaser puts out unimaginable more firepower than some of the heaviest of super heavy guns on 40k ships. It is fairly unimpressive armament by all accounts in the Star Wars universe. Something that even the tiny Corellian Corvette has several of. You know in A New Hope the ship the ISD is chasing in the opening scene? Yea that little ship could blow apart most of the ships in the Imperium solo and not even break a sweat.

Now imagine what an Imperial Star Destroy II would do. Or a Super Star Destroyer. No such ships of that firepower wouldn't be needed. Even the smaller Victory I class Star Destroyers would have its way with pretty much any Imperium ship.

The manufacturing output, speed, firepower, and the force all give the Star Wars galaxy an insane edge over the 40k one.

 Gamgee wrote:
Star Wars. The math in it is just so much higher. It would wipe the floor with 40k.

A light turbolaser puts out unimaginable more firepower than some of the heaviest of super heavy guns on 40k ships. It is fairly unimpressive armament by all accounts in the Star Wars universe. Something that even the tiny Corellian Corvette has several of. You know in A New Hope the ship the ISD is chasing in the opening scene? Yea that little ship could blow apart most of the ships in the Imperium solo and not even break a sweat.

Now imagine what an Imperial Star Destroy II would do. Or a Super Star Destroyer. No such ships of that firepower wouldn't be needed. Even the smaller Victory I class Star Destroyers would have its way with pretty much any Imperium ship.

The manufacturing output, speed, firepower, and the force all give the Star Wars galaxy an insane edge over the 40k one.

Oh boy "calcs".

Is this from the Incredible Cross Sections which tries to have me believe that the acclamator's blasters which show less firepower than a mortar round in the Clone Wars cartoon (which is canon), are supposed to have the firepower rating of 200 gigatons?

All the wankery from the EU was dropped and all that's left are starships that aren't considerably more impressive than supersized WW2 era battleships in space.

 Gamgee wrote:
Star Wars. The math in it is just so much higher. It would wipe the floor with 40k.

A light turbolaser puts out unimaginable more firepower than some of the heaviest of super heavy guns on 40k ships. It is fairly unimpressive armament by all accounts in the Star Wars universe. Something that even the tiny Corellian Corvette has several of. You know in A New Hope the ship the ISD is chasing in the opening scene? Yea that little ship could blow apart most of the ships in the Imperium solo and not even break a sweat.

Now imagine what an Imperial Star Destroy II would do. Or a Super Star Destroyer. No such ships of that firepower wouldn't be needed. Even the smaller Victory I class Star Destroyers would have its way with pretty much any Imperium ship.

" im afraid you dont understand, i didnt just say the imperium, it's all races of 40k in an free for all to expand their empires or for personal gain,not to mention the imperium travels in huge numbers, as do the orks all though the 40k universe would probaly tear each other an new one as they all hate each other and are at constant war.

Gamgee, the problem with your statement, is that the power output of Warmhammer weapons is unknown. When a Lasgun can simultaneously burn through flesh but is stopped by a piece of paper (hyperbole there) it is impossible to calculate the actual power.

Of course the last time I looked it was stated that the lasguns power output was something like 19 Megathules (whatever those are).

40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

 Happyjew wrote:
Gamgee, the problem with your statement, is that the power output of Warmhammer weapons is unknown. When a Lasgun can simultaneously burn through flesh but is stopped by a piece of paper (hyperbole there) it is impossible to calculate the actual power.

Of course the last time I looked it was stated that the lasguns power output was something like 19 Megathules (whatever those are).[/quote

Well to answer that it depends,the lasgun is an complex weapon that is used in many ways, it just depends on its fireing setting, for example if the lasgun can be used to stun and subdue targets or it can be usedm to blow holes through concrete.They can also fireautomatic or semi however the more powerful the setting the more ammo it uses.

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

I love the guard and all, but im not sure one guard regiment is not enough,this is not the imperium vs my little pony. As for the tau they would probaly have peace talks and gain tons of auxilary in both human and alien form.

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

Harldly. the Old Sith Empire, Mandalorians, Galactic Empire, and Fel Empire could all solo the entire IoM by themselves.

The Tau would be slaughtered in a fight with any faction star wars presents.

If people want to claim EU doesn't count then you cannot claim that the exaggerated power levels of the 40k levels exist considering 40k doesn't even have a 'canon'.

In short. No gimping.

In the entire SW galaxy, there are only ~20 million planets that developed sentient life. Some of those planets are like Tattooine and Ryloth, both of which are Very Gakky, but for different reasons... neither of them offer anything that can support a total war effort.

The IoM, alone, has ~1 million worlds, give or take. The Orks hold massively more than this. There's an unknown number of Tomb Worlds. Chaos has a literally-inexhaustible supply of Daemons. Tyranids out-populate every other faction in this war, on both sides, combined. When your two-dozen or so advance fleets stretch up to 75,000 light-years back to the edge of the galactic disc, with the bulk of your troops yet to arrive behind them, nothing opposes your war of numbers, not even close.

Never mind the fact that the approach of a Hive Fleet to a planet causes massive tectonic disruptions that act as a "softening up" of its defenses before the Fleet arrives. In a settings a xeno-rich as SW, no one would bat an eye at Genestealers. Or Hrud, for that matter.

The Tantive IV, incidentally, was equipped with a pair of dual turbolasers and a quartet of single turbolasers. It was not, in any way, an actual threat to the Devastator (which carried roughly 10 times the number of turbolasers, and 60 Ion Cannons on top of that), as the Tantive IV could not hope to penetrate the multiple banks of deflector shields on the Star Destroyer.

Last but not least? There's far more Psykers in 40K than there are Force Sensitives in SW. And of those Force Sensitives, only a relatively small percentage are combat-oriented, compared to the Psykers in use by the IG and the Space Marines.

40K is also in greater possession of planet-destroying weapons than the SW universe currently is.

You need to pick an era for Star Wars otherwise we can't have a valid discussion. There is alot more variance in 10,000 years then in 40k.