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Well, now that opening weekend is over what was everyone's impressions?
I will warn any readers- MAJOR spoilers in the tags. If you don't want to know, don't open them up.
As for me-
Spoiler:
I was disappointed. I liked the dinosaurs, those are always cool of course, but the Indominus Red felt so unnecessary. A lot of it felt unnecessary. And there were a few plotholes in my mind.
For starters- why go into the iRex paddock before checking where the Rex is supposed to be? Seriously, what if it was an equipment malfunction?
Why did the iRex smash open the gate to the Valley, but not go in? Did she just take a look around at all the herbivores and decide, "Nah, there'll be some kids along in a minute. I'll mess with them."
Raptors just switching sides willy-nilly. First they're sorta on Chris Pratt's side, then the iRex, then oh wait no we're totally on Pratt's side now.
How did her heels manage to survive all that running, and hiking, and walking, and hiding, and fighting? I suppose to show that she can do all that in heels?
A lot of the movie felt really forced, and cheesy. Head of Security didn't really play his part too well IMO- wasn't really believable. Not to legion the brilliant idea of using raptors to scent track the iRex. Pratt didn't seem very believable as an ex-Navy Seal either I think. Wasn't too fond of the kids dialogue either.
I think my biggest disappointment was the final confrontation with T-Rex, Blue, and iRex. I may have set myself up here, but I wanted the old battle-scarred T-Rex to take on iRex alone and win. But they had the velociraptor help out at the last second. And then the Mosasaur(which was far too large for a mosasaur) rise out of the water and finish iRex off. It felt like a Deus ex Machina. It stole the victory.
I suppose over all I liked it okay, but sadly it's not at the top of my list. It was also the movie I was most looking forward to this summer.
The Dinosaurs seemed more like Humans than Animals. Which lead to the dino issues you mentioned in my opinion. The first one suggested intelligence but the creatures are ultimately animals and behaved like them for the most part.
The movie being based around needing to keep kids happy and interested in the park, to me, spelled out how the movie was actually going to be. Like it was telling me well ahead of the Dinosaur stuff what the movie was going to be like.
The flying creatures, looking back at when I was obsessed with dinos, are thought to have preyed on fish, bugs and small creatures because they don't have the mouths for chewing. How would any of those flying creatures actually eaten any of the humans they attacked? To me this stuck out as a bad idea for something scary.
Meh from me. BUT it was better than I expected. I thought it would suck way worse than it did.
Better than the last two in the series, not as good as the first, but worth the price of admission. World managed to recapture the 'awe' of the first film, which I think really helped it stand out compared to Lost World (was made to sell toys) and III (made too... to). Everyone knew what this movie would be about, and the movie knew what people wanted and it was okay enough in the end.
Spoiler alert; DINOSAURS EAT PEOPLE!
Though gotta say;
Spoiler:
This film is a really big example of a movie that benefited nothing at all from the cliche'd romance subplot. Hell, it wasn't even convincing. The film was so unconvincing on it I feel like some marketers sat down and said "eh good enough" and left it at that just because they though there had to be a kiss and faux attempt at romance just cause it 'supposed' to be there.
Made a half of billion dollars over the weekend. O.o
My favorite part?
Spoiler:
We need more teeth!
Heh...
I only had two trivial issues:
1) That clear gyroball scooter? How the hell does it get traction? It seems to my it'd spin on the spot.
2) Claire running in her high heels all movie? Yeah... right. Espcially after baiting the extra "teeth". o.O
Mono-wheels are another fiction (like AFV tanks).
They look good, but there is no possible way for them to work IRL.
Take stopping.
Cars and Bicycles stop because the front and rear wheels have an angular momentum that is separated by the chassis. So, when you apply the brakes, the chassis acts as a bar to the whole vehicle just rolling along on momentum.
BUT... If you put the brakes on a mono-wheel... All you have done is lock the passenger compartment to the outer wheel. That wheel keeps on turning due to momentum, just a little more slowly due to the added mass of the passengers suddenly being lofted (but that mass is added back to the momentum once the passenger compartment clears the top of the vehicle in rotation, and gravity returns the potential energy to kinetic energy back into the wheel).
There is literally no way to apply brakes to a mono-wheel to stop it like a car.
Just like the vehicle you mention.
You can only apply brakes slightly, such that the weight of the passenger compartment acts as a weight to slow the rotation slightly (you have to make certain the passenger compartment does not loft over the top of the wheel, but only rises slightly, putting its weight into slowing the forward momentum. . . slightly).
The Tendency of a mono-wheel to seize up during braking (or if it accelerates too quickly) even has a name:
Gerbiling
That is right, after the Hamster/Gerbil wheel (and not after the famous Richard Gere rumor)
I think the mono-wheels typically take about a hundred or more times the distance to stop as a normal vehicle due to this problem.
They also are impossible to steer at high speeds (they act as a gyroscope, and refuse to change direction - on a two-wheel vehicle, the differential angular momentum between front and rear wheels is what allows direction change, and why part of the reason counter-steering occurs on two-wheeled vehicles), and at lower speeds they fall over (or in the case of a ball, roll in odd directions all over the place).
This movie is a PRIME EXAMPLE of the Flaws of over-dependence upon CGI.
The raptors switching sides just seemed to be them following the alpha at the time.
My real question is what happens if one of those glass mono wheels runs into some dinosaur droppings? Is the tour basically ruined because you can't see?
Dr. What wrote: The raptors switching sides just seemed to be them following the alpha at the time.
My real question is what happens if one of those glass mono wheels runs into some dinosaur droppings? Is the tour basically ruined because you can't see?
Or if one of the many stegosaurus or ankylosaurus got protective and gave it a whack.
Overall I liked the movie and found it plenty enjoyable. The three things I'd claimed to have issues with are;
A.) iRex (love that nickname) being Too smart. How did it know to hide its body temperature? It has no idea of thermal cameras. That should have just been an instance of regular cameras and its camo ability. Ok so it's part raptor, how does it know the language they're using? That leads into...
2.) Team Raptor changing sides on a dime. They didn't really turn on Pratt as seen by the one spotting him and not instantly ganking him like they did everyone else, just took out his team, but I'd have like to see them stay strictly team human.
III.) The various flying dinos all making an immediate beeline for that break in the dome and then all heading straight to the visitor center to attack the people in one giant mixed flock. As said, they're fish eaters. Some of those things were even much smaller than the people they were attacking!
I didn't mind the Masosaur helping take down iRex. I view it as well as the T-Rex and Blue all going at it as the "real" dinos getting to take down the fake one together. And while I mention "real" dinos I'd have liked a small throw away comment from the lab guy about them having feathers when he mentioned how the Dino clones look different from how they should look.
They look good, but there is no possible way for them to work IRL.
Take stopping.
Cars and Bicycles stop because the front and rear wheels have an angular momentum that is separated by the chassis. So, when you apply the brakes, the chassis acts as a bar to the whole vehicle just rolling along on momentum.
BUT... If you put the brakes on a mono-wheel... All you have done is lock the passenger compartment to the outer wheel. That wheel keeps on turning due to momentum, just a little more slowly due to the added mass of the passengers suddenly being lofted (but that mass is added back to the momentum once the passenger compartment clears the top of the vehicle in rotation, and gravity returns the potential energy to kinetic energy back into the wheel).
There is literally no way to apply brakes to a mono-wheel to stop it like a car.
Just like the vehicle you mention.
You can only apply brakes slightly, such that the weight of the passenger compartment acts as a weight to slow the rotation slightly (you have to make certain the passenger compartment does not loft over the top of the wheel, but only rises slightly, putting its weight into slowing the forward momentum. . . slightly).
The Tendency of a mono-wheel to seize up during braking (or if it accelerates too quickly) even has a name:
Gerbiling
That is right, after the Hamster/Gerbil wheel (and not after the famous Richard Gere rumor)
I think the mono-wheels typically take about a hundred or more times the distance to stop as a normal vehicle due to this problem.
They also are impossible to steer at high speeds (they act as a gyroscope, and refuse to change direction - on a two-wheel vehicle, the differential angular momentum between front and rear wheels is what allows direction change, and why part of the reason counter-steering occurs on two-wheeled vehicles), and at lower speeds they fall over (or in the case of a ball, roll in odd directions all over the place).
This movie is a PRIME EXAMPLE of the Flaws of over-dependence upon CGI.
MB
Interesting, and I am glad I read the thread (and didnt spoiler myself while doing so)
Nice commentary on monowheels, I wonder if they are viable for small devices, for robotics?
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Yes, but the largest known species of mosasaur could have reached near 60 feet in length, which is about the size of the animal in the film. There were also a couple of other species of mosasaur, that while not as large as the one seen in film, easily surpassed the length of an adult T. rex.
You also have to remember, the animals in the film were not true to how they would have appeared; they were reverse engineered from their closest living relative and made to appear how people wanted them to.
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AduroT wrote: Overall I liked the movie and found it plenty enjoyable. The three things I'd claimed to have issues with are;
A.) iRex (love that nickname) being Too smart. How did it know to hide its body temperature? It has no idea of thermal cameras. That should have just been an instance of regular cameras and its camo ability. Ok so it's part raptor, how does it know the language they're using? That leads into...
Seeing as it could detect thermal radiation, it makes sense that it would camouflage by hiding it's thermal radiation (especially as it has the ability to). When we try and hid from something, we get out of sight and be quiet because that's how we find things. The frog they mentioned can hide its thermal radiation doesn't actually know what it's doing, it's all instinctual.
I really liked it. Were bits silly? Yeah. But the whole premise is a bit silly. Doesn't make it less awesome.
Other than that, I loved it. They did a pretty decent job of actually having characters in the movie take issues with some of the things they expected audiences and critics to complain about, then explain it in a second and move on. You weren't getting Casa Blanca for plot. Although, given the love story... "We'll always have that crazy island with Dinos that tried to eat us".
All in all, I felt it was an amazing sequel to the first Jurassic Park. The second and third movies didn't even matter, this felt like a much more proper sequel.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Yes, but the largest known species of mosasaur could have reached near 60 feet in length, which is about the size of the animal in the film. There were also a couple of other species of mosasaur, that while not as large as the one seen in film, easily surpassed the length of an adult T. rex.
You also have to remember, the animals in the film were not true to how they would have appeared; they were reverse engineered from their closest living relative and made to appear how people wanted them to.
What ruffled my feathers was that if it was supposed to be a Tylosaurus they should have called it such!
I'm all cool with them changing the dinosaurs a bit to appease a crowd, but when I was a kid I would have called them on the size discrepancy.
They likely continued to call it Mosasaur because that was the name of a boss in one of the Jurassic Park games (that for some reason was really popular with fans). So they ascended the Mosa from video game extra to main cast
LordofHats wrote: They likely continued to call it Mosasaur because that was the name of a boss in one of the Jurassic Park games (that for some reason was really popular with fans). So they ascended the Mosa from video game extra to main cast
Now I'm really curious what game that was- I thought I had played them all.
Sinful Hero wrote: What ruffled my feathers was that if it was supposed to be a Tylosaurus they should have called it such!
Well, to be fair a Tylosaurus is a member of a subgroup of mosasaur.
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Isn't Mosasaur the name of the group of big sea reptiles that included Tylosaurus? If so, it's just a case of them not being specific as opposed to being wrong. The Velociraptor size discrepancy is still terrible...
I feel that, while it was an enjoyable movie, it really suffered from just taking to long to pull itself together. They started with the main characters in three different locations, and didn't get them together until the finale. To me, this made the movie feel disjointed for much of it's run time. I think that if they had had Claire show her nephews around the park they could of tied the characters together better. She shows them around the exhibits, we build up the sense of wonder, then she takes them behind-the-scenes, and we get to meet the bridge crew, and visit the raptor paddock [insert the raptor scene]. We now have everyone in one place. They then run into Mr. Masrani, who decides "Hey, let's see what the kids think of our new exhibit". Boom. We visit FXRex, We have it's intro, plus the kids now know it is a nasty bit of work. Claire then sends the kids off with Zara while she gets Owen to look at the paddock. We now have the same scenario of Claire blowing her nephews off for work, but we feel that the characters are connected. The movie may now resume.
I also feel that the movie should have spent more time building up a sense of wonder about the park. It would have been nice to linger on the attractions a bit more. As it was, I wasn't feeling any sense of wonder until
Spoiler:
We reached the ruins of the old park
As it was, we knew things were going to heck, and didn't have any reason to wish that they wouldn't (which I think was where the first movie really excelled).
That said, the movie did have it's good points. It was nice to see them acknowledge the shortcomings of their dinosaur designs (via Wu's "We make what the visitors expect" comment). The captive raptors turned out fairly well, as they made it clear that Owen barely manages to keep them from eating him, and doesn't really control them. Also, I just can't criticize
Spoiler:
A battle royale involving a T. rex, several humans, multiple raptors, FXRex, and a Mosasaur
Sinful Hero wrote: What ruffled my feathers was that if it was supposed to be a Tylosaurus they should have called it such!
Well, to be fair a Tylosaurus is a member of a subgroup of mosasaur.
ImAGeek wrote:Isn't Mosasaur the name of the group of big sea reptiles that included Tylosaurus? If so, it's just a case of them not being specific as opposed to being wrong. The Velociraptor size discrepancy is still terrible...
Well nevermind. After a bit of a Wikipedia search I found the Mosasaurus Hoffmannii which got up to 59ft...
Carry on!
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Well it's not like Jurassic Park is big on accuracy anyway. Set aside the whole feathers thing, the Velociraptors in JP are 2-4x the size of the actual species bearing that name. Really what the franchise calls a Velociraptor is closer in size to the Utahraptor (same genus, different species).
LordofHats wrote: Well it's not like Jurassic Park is big on accuracy anyway. Set aside the whole feathers thing, the Velociraptors in JP are 2-4x the size of the actual species bearing that name. Really what the franchise calls a Velociraptor is closer in size to the Utahraptor (same genus, different species).
LordofHats wrote: Well it's not like Jurassic Park is big on accuracy anyway. Set aside the whole feathers thing, the Velociraptors in JP are 2-4x the size of the actual species bearing that name. Really what the franchise calls a Velociraptor is closer in size to the Utahraptor (same genus, different species).
I wish they'd addressed it in this one, just a little offhand comment like 'oh they aren't actually velociraptor. We got the name wrong then...' Or something like that, but it's not a big deal really.
LordofHats wrote: Well it's not like Jurassic Park is big on accuracy anyway. Set aside the whole feathers thing, the Velociraptors in JP are 2-4x the size of the actual species bearing that name. Really what the franchise calls a Velociraptor is closer in size to the Utahraptor (same genus, different species).
Or at least only death you don't have to spoiler cuz it was in the trailers.
Honestly though, I'm super glad the trailers lied about how "tame" the raptors were. Definitely more believable in the film. And yeah, the raptors are the equivalent to the deinonychus. The Utahraptor was more like 12 feet, not 4 feet tall. Deinonychus was 4-5 feet, and looked pretty much how these guys do. Actually, it has a scarier name too. But not as easy for kids to pronounce. So I can understand the switch.
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LordofHats wrote: Well it's not like Jurassic Park is big on accuracy anyway. Set aside the whole feathers thing, the Velociraptors in JP are 2-4x the size of the actual species bearing that name. Really what the franchise calls a Velociraptor is closer in size to the Utahraptor (same genus, different species).
Same family, different genus.
See even Hats can't get it right, and surely Hats is smarter than some Hollywood douche bags
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