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If anyone can lend some insight on dreadknight fluff please.

As far as i know dreadnoughts are pretty much walking life support systems for disabled sm(pls correct me if wrong). Do dreadknights work like dreadnoughts in the sense that the pilot can not leave the vehicle? Or do dreadknight pilots pop in and out of the darn thing when the need arises like going into a battle?

It's PA for your TDA.

Yo dawg... I heard you like Terminators, so we built a Terminator for your Terminator, so you can Kill the Mutant while you Purge the Unclean.

It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

The wearer is also protected by a force field that is not represented on the TT but exists in the fluff. The purpose of dreadknights, fluff wise was to put certain GK brother on par wit greater daemons and daemon lords. TT this is represented by the fact that it is a MC as opposed to a walker. There was a huge discussion about this discrepancy a while back.

NDK = exosquad.

Well it's supposed to be inspired by the powerloader exoskeleton thing in Aliens. It's visible that the pilot himself wears an Aegis Power Armour and is strapped on the cockpit stand. It's just something to make the pilot taller so that he may strike the daemon in the head with a halbert.

 lcmiracle wrote:
It's just something to make the pilot taller...

"Brother Dreadknight! The cookie jar... atop the fridge... beyond my reach!"

"Despair not, brother. Even the tallest of fridges are within my grasp. Praise the Emperor!"

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

gudtymer wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

Against Orks they'd have no problems against Kans or Deff Dreads as even Dreadnoughts can easily take them. Riptides would outshoot and outmaneuver a Dreadknight if it didn't have a Teleporter, but the teleportation and melee skills of the Knight make it more dangerous to the Riptide than vice-versa fluffwise. Eldar have multiple version, War Walkers being the most technologically similar, but Wraithlords would be the closest overall. Wraithlords are pretty resilient but slower, and 1v1 it would go into a vegetative state most likely and the dreadknight would easily carve it up. A Wraithknight however is practically a Titan (the model is 9" to the Warhounds 10.5). Its strength, size and mobility would stomp a Dreadknight 1v1. Nids would initially lose but a Hive Tyrant would maybe win using Shadow and multiple perspectives, or just swarm it with gaunts or a pair of Carnifexes. Necrons, likewise, wouldn't bother fighting melee with it, and just shoot it from a distance or swarm it with mass scarabs, Deathmarks or Tomb Stalkers.

 Deadshot wrote:

gudtymer wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

Against Orks they'd have no problems against Kans or Deff Dreads as even Dreadnoughts can easily take them. Riptides would outshoot and outmaneuver a Dreadknight if it didn't have a Teleporter, but the teleportation and melee skills of the Knight make it more dangerous to the Riptide than vice-versa fluffwise. Eldar have multiple version, War Walkers being the most technologically similar, but Wraithlords would be the closest overall. Wraithlords are pretty resilient but slower, and 1v1 it would go into a vegetative state most likely and the dreadknight would easily carve it up. A Wraithknight however is practically a Titan (the model is 9" to the Warhounds 10.5). Its strength, size and mobility would stomp a Dreadknight 1v1. Nids would initially lose but a Hive Tyrant would maybe win using Shadow and multiple perspectives, or just swarm it with gaunts or a pair of Carnifexes. Necrons, likewise, wouldn't bother fighting melee with it, and just shoot it from a distance or swarm it with mass scarabs, Deathmarks or Tomb Stalkers.

NDK actaully beats the WK in CC in a single round with force activated - 3+ to hit 2+ to wound with 2 rerolls. Ignores FNP with force and does d3 wounds per wound. Even the mighty WK can't take a NDK in cc. Shooting however. The NDK would be lucky to make CC without being sucked into the warp by D cannons. For this we need invisibility or some real tall LOS blocking terrain.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

gudtymer wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

Against Orks they'd have no problems against Kans or Deff Dreads as even Dreadnoughts can easily take them. Riptides would outshoot and outmaneuver a Dreadknight if it didn't have a Teleporter, but the teleportation and melee skills of the Knight make it more dangerous to the Riptide than vice-versa fluffwise. Eldar have multiple version, War Walkers being the most technologically similar, but Wraithlords would be the closest overall. Wraithlords are pretty resilient but slower, and 1v1 it would go into a vegetative state most likely and the dreadknight would easily carve it up. A Wraithknight however is practically a Titan (the model is 9" to the Warhounds 10.5). Its strength, size and mobility would stomp a Dreadknight 1v1. Nids would initially lose but a Hive Tyrant would maybe win using Shadow and multiple perspectives, or just swarm it with gaunts or a pair of Carnifexes. Necrons, likewise, wouldn't bother fighting melee with it, and just shoot it from a distance or swarm it with mass scarabs, Deathmarks or Tomb Stalkers.

NDK actaully beats the WK in CC in a single round with force activated - 3+ to hit 2+ to wound with 2 rerolls. Ignores FNP with force and does d3 wounds per wound. Even the mighty WK can't take a NDK in cc. Shooting however. The NDK would be lucky to make CC without being sucked into the warp by D cannons. For this we need invisibility or some real tall LOS blocking terrain.

Well I was speaking purely fluffwise, but yeah, tabletop that's how it'd go.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

gudtymer wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

Against Orks they'd have no problems against Kans or Deff Dreads as even Dreadnoughts can easily take them. Riptides would outshoot and outmaneuver a Dreadknight if it didn't have a Teleporter, but the teleportation and melee skills of the Knight make it more dangerous to the Riptide than vice-versa fluffwise. Eldar have multiple version, War Walkers being the most technologically similar, but Wraithlords would be the closest overall. Wraithlords are pretty resilient but slower, and 1v1 it would go into a vegetative state most likely and the dreadknight would easily carve it up. A Wraithknight however is practically a Titan (the model is 9" to the Warhounds 10.5). Its strength, size and mobility would stomp a Dreadknight 1v1. Nids would initially lose but a Hive Tyrant would maybe win using Shadow and multiple perspectives, or just swarm it with gaunts or a pair of Carnifexes. Necrons, likewise, wouldn't bother fighting melee with it, and just shoot it from a distance or swarm it with mass scarabs, Deathmarks or Tomb Stalkers.

NDK actaully beats the WK in CC in a single round with force activated - 3+ to hit 2+ to wound with 2 rerolls. Ignores FNP with force and does d3 wounds per wound. Even the mighty WK can't take a NDK in cc. Shooting however. The NDK would be lucky to make CC without being sucked into the warp by D cannons. For this we need invisibility or some real tall LOS blocking terrain.

I thought instadeath didn't work on Gargantuian critters?

Doesn't need to be ID, the damage D-cannons put out is more than enough to empty the DK's Wound Pool in very short order.

 Psienesis wrote:
Doesn't need to be ID, the damage D-cannons put out is more than enough to empty the DK's Wound Pool in very short order.

I was more refering to using the force sword on a WK

BrianDavion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

gudtymer wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

Against Orks they'd have no problems against Kans or Deff Dreads as even Dreadnoughts can easily take them. Riptides would outshoot and outmaneuver a Dreadknight if it didn't have a Teleporter, but the teleportation and melee skills of the Knight make it more dangerous to the Riptide than vice-versa fluffwise. Eldar have multiple version, War Walkers being the most technologically similar, but Wraithlords would be the closest overall. Wraithlords are pretty resilient but slower, and 1v1 it would go into a vegetative state most likely and the dreadknight would easily carve it up. A Wraithknight however is practically a Titan (the model is 9" to the Warhounds 10.5). Its strength, size and mobility would stomp a Dreadknight 1v1. Nids would initially lose but a Hive Tyrant would maybe win using Shadow and multiple perspectives, or just swarm it with gaunts or a pair of Carnifexes. Necrons, likewise, wouldn't bother fighting melee with it, and just shoot it from a distance or swarm it with mass scarabs, Deathmarks or Tomb Stalkers.

NDK actaully beats the WK in CC in a single round with force activated - 3+ to hit 2+ to wound with 2 rerolls. Ignores FNP with force and does d3 wounds per wound. Even the mighty WK can't take a NDK in cc. Shooting however. The NDK would be lucky to make CC without being sucked into the warp by D cannons. For this we need invisibility or some real tall LOS blocking terrain.

I thought instadeath didn't work on Gargantuian critters?

Both are Monstrous creatures as per the GK 7th Ed. Did Eldar 7th make it a Gargantuan?

 Deadshot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

gudtymer wrote:

 Jambles wrote:
It's more like a giant exoskeleton than anything else. The TDA gives the user all the protection he needs - the dreadknight just ups his strength and firepower to 11

That is quite exactly what I was thinking. I never thought of the dreadknight as more armor for the pilot, but rather more firepower which is more why it appeals to me. As far as jokes and silly comments aside, I personally find nothing bad about it, I think it is a cool model and it is a cool concept. So going based on the comments taking my post seriously (thank you), the dreadknight pilot can leave the mech and fight on foot if the situation calls for it right? Also do dreadknights stand a chance against the other mechs of the other alien races like the eldar, orks, tau, etc? Im just wondering seeing as dreadknights are developed more for fighting daemon princes.

Against Orks they'd have no problems against Kans or Deff Dreads as even Dreadnoughts can easily take them. Riptides would outshoot and outmaneuver a Dreadknight if it didn't have a Teleporter, but the teleportation and melee skills of the Knight make it more dangerous to the Riptide than vice-versa fluffwise. Eldar have multiple version, War Walkers being the most technologically similar, but Wraithlords would be the closest overall. Wraithlords are pretty resilient but slower, and 1v1 it would go into a vegetative state most likely and the dreadknight would easily carve it up. A Wraithknight however is practically a Titan (the model is 9" to the Warhounds 10.5). Its strength, size and mobility would stomp a Dreadknight 1v1. Nids would initially lose but a Hive Tyrant would maybe win using Shadow and multiple perspectives, or just swarm it with gaunts or a pair of Carnifexes. Necrons, likewise, wouldn't bother fighting melee with it, and just shoot it from a distance or swarm it with mass scarabs, Deathmarks or Tomb Stalkers.

NDK actaully beats the WK in CC in a single round with force activated - 3+ to hit 2+ to wound with 2 rerolls. Ignores FNP with force and does d3 wounds per wound. Even the mighty WK can't take a NDK in cc. Shooting however. The NDK would be lucky to make CC without being sucked into the warp by D cannons. For this we need invisibility or some real tall LOS blocking terrain.

I thought instadeath didn't work on Gargantuian critters?

Both are Monstrous creatures as per the GK 7th Ed. Did Eldar 7th make it a Gargantuan?

Yes, the Wraithknight is a Gargantuan Creature.

Jesus, GW just won't stop will they? Leave the game alone, just update everything before making radical changes.

 Deadshot wrote:
Jesus, GW just won't stop will they? Leave the game alone, just update everything before making radical changes.

it's honestly not THAT radical a change. the wraightknight is fully intended to be the eldar knight. heck if you read the old old fluff about eldar knights it's pretty clear the wraightknight evolved from that concept

Cool bits of info guys. Would a gk grandmaster be able to pilot a dreadknight? Also would the wraithknight be something similar to say the Jaegers from pacific rim? Or is it a a full on robot with no pilot inside?

Would a gk grandmaster be able to pilot a dreadknight?

I imagine so. I imagine GW'll never give us the stats for one as "Kaldor Dragio in a dreadknight" would be kinda absurd (it'd be kinda awesome to see the stats for it though)

Also don't forget that the wraithknight has a higher initiative then the dreadknight and will be swinging first

gudtymer wrote:
Cool bits of info guys. Would a gk grandmaster be able to pilot a dreadknight? Also would the wraithknight be something similar to say the Jaegers from pacific rim? Or is it a a full on robot with no pilot inside?

Probably, but Dreadknight pilots are rare and very important, and they perform a much different role to Captains and Grandmasters. If you're piloting Dreadknights chances are you won't be selected to succeed your Brother-Captain.

gudtymer wrote:
Cool bits of info guys. Would a gk grandmaster be able to pilot a dreadknight? Also would the wraithknight be something similar to say the Jaegers from pacific rim? Or is it a a full on robot with no pilot inside?

Wraithknights are piloted craft. They have a living pilot and a wraith-spirit within a mini-infinity circuit. The latter gives them relations to the Wraith and Wraithlords. The living pilot though gives them guidance more akin to the war walkers (which are most closely related to AM Sentinels). The pilots are most often a surviving twin with the dead twin's psychic spirit tied to the wraith bone walker. Instead of a computer core, the wraithknight is guided by the soul of the deceased twin while tactics, direction, and the like are provided by the living twin.

Lendys wrote:

gudtymer wrote:
Cool bits of info guys. Would a gk grandmaster be able to pilot a dreadknight? Also would the wraithknight be something similar to say the Jaegers from pacific rim? Or is it a a full on robot with no pilot inside?

Wraithknights are piloted craft. They have a living pilot and a wraith-spirit within a mini-infinity circuit. The latter gives them relations to the Wraith and Wraithlords. The living pilot though gives them guidance more akin to the war walkers (which are most closely related to AM Sentinels). The pilots are most often a surviving twin with the dead twin's psychic spirit tied to the wraith bone walker. Instead of a computer core, the wraithknight is guided by the soul of the deceased twin while tactics, direction, and the like are provided by the living twin.

So yeah, they would be something not too far off a Jaegar, but just much smaller if comparing them straight beside each other. In their own universes they are pretty similar.

How good is a dreadknight pilot's combat ability when he is dismounted? Say for instance his dreadknight mech was in repair so he had to go do a mission without it and he found himself in a scrap with some eldar or orks or other space marines, is the dreadknight pilot able to hold his own if he was to fight without his mech with just the standard grey knight gear and weapons?

He isa still a trained grey knight, and to control the dreadknight it takes a person of a strong will and ability, with years of specialist training to control them, there still a capable out of there suit, just alot stronger in it.

Grey knights are powerful alone, there elite training, taller than average, and powerful mental abilities. Add power armour there evenn more. Add a dreadknight there a one man wrecking machine.

gudtymer wrote:
How good is a dreadknight pilot's combat ability when he is dismounted? Say for instance his dreadknight mech was in repair so he had to go do a mission without it and he found himself in a scrap with some eldar or orks or other space marines, is the dreadknight pilot able to hold his own if he was to fight without his mech with just the standard grey knight gear and weapons?

He's just like every other Grey Knight. He has Terminator armor when piloting the dreadknight. All he needs to do is get his NFW and Stormbolter.

Man this stuff had a lot quicker discussion back in the days.