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I'll start by saying that from the leaked pics that I saw this morning, I do like the look of the new Warhammer - Age of Sigmar models. I think they're absolutely beautiful and if I were new into the hobby, I'd probably be excited as can be about the new set.

However, I'm old. I've been in this hobby and playing Warhammer Fantasy (And 40k for that matter) for almost 30 years. I've loved the idea of the old rank and file system with movement trays and models that truly looked like they belonged in a "Fantasy" setting of Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, and Ogres. However, I can easily see by looking at the number of models and the rank and file system that they don't exactly bring in fresh, new blood into the hobby. I get it. I'm at a point in my life where I pretty much own every army I truly want and other than paint and the occasional miniature that I like, I'm not really in the store spending hundreds of thousands of dollars anymore. (I've already done that)

So, for me while this could be an awesome new game with awesome new miniatures, I'm going to chalk it up like I do Warmachine or Hordes or Dust when I say that it looks awesome, but probably isn't for me. Personally, looking at those models, I truly don't see how those can even belong on the same table with any of the existing Warhammer Fantasy range?

Please believe me when I say that I'm not throwing rocks at GW and I'm really ok with all of this. GW was bleeding money and players in Warhammer Fantasy and they've probably been looking for years for a way to end it all. I'm ok with that and their business decision. However, I'm going to continue to play old Warhammer Fantasy for as long as I can find players willing to play against. I suspect that I'm not alone and some of the local communities will be the same. I truly think that if enough independent tournaments, leagues, and campaigns continue on with the old square base game, that there will still be players and even a market for those miniatures. Companies like Mantic and AoW can have a field day picking up old Warhammer vets to shop for new product.
In a way, this is actually good news. I was actually aftraid that 9th edition would come along and make just enough changes to the game that it would gravitate all of what remained from the old veterans to sell them on a new edition. Instead the round bases and 40k style coherency formations have shown me that the game is so far removed from 8th edition Warhammer Fantasy, that I know 8th edition will continue on just from the sheer number of vets like me that have no desire to swap bases or change much from the game we have today. In that regard, I'd like to thank GW for at least not screwing up the current game and instead just making a new one.

Regardless, I forsee a TON of Warhammer Fantasy armies will be dumped on eBay for next to nothing. I'll probably wait a bit, but this truly could be an awesome time to grab some miniatures that I've held off on buying just because I couldn't justify paying the price for them. Heck, if nothing else collecting a bunch of monsters to play some big games using the Storm of Magic rules could be cool.

Reply to your last bit: I hope so. I've been wanting to start a TK army since about 2005, just haven't gotten to it as I've been trying to rebuild my 40k army.

I saw the pics of the new game and it does not feel fantasy to me, it feels like 40k without guns :(

I think I'll be putting off 9th in favor of getting back in to the real fantasy setting. and this whole "bubble-verse thing sounds ridiculous :(

It honestly looks like the love child between 40K and Warmachine. I am on the fence with whether or not I want to buy the starter set, I guess it depends on how affordable it is. In the meantime I'll be playing 8th and checking out how KOW plays.

Until we know more details, I can't say anymore.

But my Chaos Army looks pretty sad right now, might just paint it up real nice and put it in a display case.


I was hoping to carry on, but these new models make the older ones seem very out of place.

The mass battle rules had better be amazing to overcome the Warhammer: 4K look...

Well I already knew what was coming and my choice was made based upon those rumors.

I've finished off in the last 4 months my remaining FB armies which is VC, LOC ( since chaos always will be daemons and mortals so I was happy about end times ) and empire. I love 8th edition and feel they did it right, the majority of the models I happy with too other than some really old kits which will never get updated anyway.

For me 9th or whatever this new game is visually, is not for me I instantly feel by the "empire" style of whatever these holy herohammer guys are, that it's a boring looking clone of modern fantasy mini games, warhammer for me will always be what it has been since 1st-8th, which is a GW styled tweak to what is virtually a copy of moorcock and tolkiens fantasy.

I may indeed pick up some new chaos stuff, depending on what comes out such as slaanesh things that need plastic to fill in the failcrap right now, or maybe even build a mono khorne army from the starter set since we know daemons are staying, we can continue to buy those to fill out units, and the marauders in the starter and warriors can probably be cut up or tweaked to anything chaos. So instead of GW getting my money for 9th, it will be ebay starter bits sellers.

GW has lost me as a warhammer customer, I will still fill out some of my 40k armies but otherwise they will not see anymore cash from me. They actually would if they had some kind of legacy stock for 8th armies but they seem to be removing much of the rank n file and so on.

Anyway this really only matters to GW store players if they are worried about being able to play officially anymore. Anyone who loves 8th and traditional fb will most likely keep their armies and rulebooks, those who move on will move on. If we already have local dedicated players then we simply need to stick together and keep it alive by playing at our homes, which is much better than any neckbeard smelly lame "social rules" GW shop, rejoice it can be like the 1980s again...beer and music and warhammer with the f word thrown in, or you can sit around with little timmy and johnny with soccer moms presiding over the shoulder, fk that I say lets make 8th the new oldhammer worldwide for us oldschool vets.

I think I'm coming from a similar place as the OP, with the difference that I was in the process of painting my first real army when End Times happened. I've loved the Old World setting since I was a kid, and eventually realized I was more into it than 40k. I've played the videogames, the RPGs, and Mordheim, but hadn't committed to building a tabletop army until a couple years ago.

I think it's because I'm into history. For all the flak I hear I about how derivative of Tolkien the Old World was (and that was certainly there, right alongside Michael Moorcock) I'm fairly sure that taking the Landsknecht as visual inspiration and the Holy Roman Empire as a background was something new under the sun back in the 80's.

Over the years, I grew to like that contrast with 40k, too. 40k taps into (and shaped) the modern uber-mensch commando thing that seems to have grabbed the sci-fi zeitgeist for the last few decades. I get the appeal of that, and I was really into it for a long time. But I ended up liking the idea of medieval knights and halberdiers more, maybe because I studied swordplay and costuming and found the mundane details of that stuff just as exciting as the fantasy elements.

I've now seen the leaked pictures of the new models. They look cool and they reflect the reigning fantasy game aesthetic of the moment. I say that looking across the spectrum of products like World of Warcraft, Warmachine, et al. It's just not my aesthetic anymore, and I liked that WH Fantasy offered a look and gameplay based more on historicals.

I can't really blame GW for changing direction when Fantasy was clearly a troubled line. But, converging on 40k isn't really my personal thing. I'm a bit skeptical it will work for them when compared with other products that compete in that space... but maybe it will suddenly become a hit, because this will bring in 'the kids'.

Whatever happens, it's looking clear the setting I loved will not be the same. I'll play on with the old games I have, but I know that gaming is always about the new. So, I expect I'll be part of a small community of grognards instead of the mainstream fans of whatever WH Fantasy becomes. I'm getting to an age when I realize that's just the way of things, even in imaginary worlds.

Guess I'm not alone, at least!

The fact that 9th edition would be "40k with bows and arrows" was by biggest fear, one that seems to have come true, but OP raises a good point in that, being so removed from it, 8th edition may survive unofficially.

Obviously I'm holding off judgment until I see the rules, any other new models (and the prices of them - plus the army books) and any rules that there may be for larger AoS battles (which I'm hoping will be like War of the Ring), but at the moment my purchases will be limited and I'll hopefully be able to stick to playing 8th.

Still, if it is all round bases and skirmish, I may buy the "Humans" army book or whatever it's called, as it'll give me a good reason to use my LotR Rohan models that have been sitting in my drawer unused for ages. That'll allow me to play in my local GW, make it easier to find players and still not cost me too much money.

My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

Depending on what 9th was like, I did have in mind trying to start an online project here on Dakka in which we'd tweak the 8th ruleset and update the older army books (like bretonnia) so that people can continue to play 8th with various, favourable, community amendments. With 9th appearing to be so different, I'm more than happy to go ahead with such a project if there's enough support.

 The Shadow wrote:

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

Depending on what 9th was like, I did have in mind trying to start an online project here on Dakka in which we'd tweak the 8th ruleset and update the older army books (like bretonnia) so that people can continue to play 8th with various, favourable, community amendments. With 9th appearing to be so different, I'm more than happy to go ahead with such a project if there's enough support.

Before I got out of GW, I really, really wanted to start a beastman army, but heard they were just so awful as to be almost unplayable. So I never pulled the trigger. Fix them and the magic, and maybe I'd start looking around E-bay for cheap armies.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

Depending on what 9th was like, I did have in mind trying to start an online project here on Dakka in which we'd tweak the 8th ruleset and update the older army books (like bretonnia) so that people can continue to play 8th with various, favourable, community amendments. With 9th appearing to be so different, I'm more than happy to go ahead with such a project if there's enough support.

Before I got out of GW, I really, really wanted to start a beastman army, but heard they were just so awful as to be almost unplayable. So I never pulled the trigger. Fix them and the magic, and maybe I'd start looking around E-bay for cheap armies.

Just play KoW and your problems are solved

 Chute82 wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

Depending on what 9th was like, I did have in mind trying to start an online project here on Dakka in which we'd tweak the 8th ruleset and update the older army books (like bretonnia) so that people can continue to play 8th with various, favourable, community amendments. With 9th appearing to be so different, I'm more than happy to go ahead with such a project if there's enough support.

Before I got out of GW, I really, really wanted to start a beastman army, but heard they were just so awful as to be almost unplayable. So I never pulled the trigger. Fix them and the magic, and maybe I'd start looking around E-bay for cheap armies.

Just play KoW and your problems are solved

I am seriously considering searching e-bay for cheap fantasy armies. I suspect they'll be easier to find in a short time. Empire, love the Renaissance look. Vampire counts and beastmen.

Beastmen are another army I'd look to rework, but I think Bretonnia need it more.

As for KoW, although I haven't actually played the game, I don't like the look of the rules. Whilst a lot of the simplicity is appealing, it removes a lot of depth from the game and I find some of the rules plain weird. I'd be more willing to give it a shot if 8th Fantasy didn't continue in my local area, but only using my existing WHFB models. It wouldn't be something I'd like to spend a great deal of money on, no matter how nice some of the mantic models are.

 Chute82 wrote:
Just play KoW and your problems are solved

No, they're really not. What if you don't like Kings of Wr at all? What if its too simple for me? What if its not actually Warhammer?
What if I want to have the same unit options, spells, etc. that I've been enjoying for the last 20 years?

Do people who like WHFB spam kings of war threads saying you should play WHFB instead? Or do you get paid per post by the Mantic folks to shill for them?

OT, i picked up the 3rd edition boxed set for WHFB, and have been picking up all the 6th/7th edition army books for cheap. If 9th doesn't come out, or isn't an improvement, I'll get my square-bashing fix by playing an older version. People I play with are up for it as well, which makes it much easier, obviously.

If you enjoy Warhammer, there are plenty of options

 Cruentus wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
Just play KoW and your problems are solved

No, they're really not. What if you don't like Kings of Wr at all? What if its too simple for me? What if its not actually Warhammer?
What if I want to have the same unit options, spells, etc. that I've been enjoying for the last 20 years?

Do people who like WHFB spam kings of war threads saying you should play WHFB instead? Or do you get paid per post by the Mantic folks to shill for them?

OT, i picked up the 3rd edition boxed set for WHFB, and have been picking up all the 6th/7th edition army books for cheap. If 9th doesn't come out, or isn't an improvement, I'll get my square-bashing fix by playing an older version. People I play with are up for it as well, which makes it much easier, obviously.

If you enjoy Warhammer, there are plenty of options

Exalted for truth man. I get that KOW is a good game, it seems fun and all that, but personally, I have no interest in it. I'm planning on seeing how AoS comes out, if I dislike it, I still have plenty of good stuff for 8th ed, but telling people that their problems are solved by picking up a game you like, solves nothing.

To OP I'm with you I will not be playing age of sigmar unless I can use my current models, money is a factor in starting a brand new game. Besides I loved regimental combat, and i hold out hope that additional rules will be released for such games. If not me and my other FLGS players have already said we'll contimue to play 8th....with some rules clarfications and small changes that should have been FAQ'd

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
To OP I'm with you I will not be playing age of sigmar unless I can use my current models, money is a factor in starting a brand new game. Besides I loved regimental combat, and i hold out hope that additional rules will be released for such games. If not me and my other FLGS players have already said we'll contimue to play 8th....with some rules clarfications and small changes that should have been FAQ'd

You can use your current models, and don't need to swap bases.

If the ruleset is any good, I might play some games in the Old World using the AoS rules.

 Cruentus wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
Just play KoW and your problems are solved

No, they're really not. What if you don't like Kings of Wr at all? What if its too simple for me? What if its not actually Warhammer?
What if I want to have the same unit options, spells, etc. that I've been enjoying for the last 20 years?

Do people who like WHFB spam kings of war threads saying you should play WHFB instead? Or do you get paid per post by the Mantic folks to shill for them?

OT, i picked up the 3rd edition boxed set for WHFB, and have been picking up all the 6th/7th edition army books for cheap. If 9th doesn't come out, or isn't an improvement, I'll get my square-bashing fix by playing an older version. People I play with are up for it as well, which makes it much easier, obviously.

If you enjoy Warhammer, there are plenty of options

I get payed a nickel every time I mention KoW.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
To OP I'm with you I will not be playing age of sigmar unless I can use my current models, money is a factor in starting a brand new game. Besides I loved regimental combat, and i hold out hope that additional rules will be released for such games. If not me and my other FLGS players have already said we'll contimue to play 8th....with some rules clarfications and small changes that should have been FAQ'd

You can use your current models, and don't need to swap bases.

If the ruleset is any good, I might play some games in the Old World using the AoS rules.

Only one way to find out for sure and thats this weekend.

Many reasons for me as to why I'm 99% sure I'm not going to touch the new models or game.

1. As was mentioned, they've gone the looks of WOW and other "modern fantasy" which for me, is way too cartoony. I never liked that style/look and I never will.

2. The link to realism is broken completely. This one is real hard to explain, but I need some semblance of realism. Something that my mind can go, "yep that could happen".
That thing with warhammer was not only the "old-world" style maps and towns, but also in the looks of the armies.

In medieval times, kings did not waste money armoring their entire army. Most of their army was made of peasants who went into battle with little to no armor at all. This meant that armies didn't have that "cloned" look that current and futuristic armies would have.

Sure, you tied your army together with shield symbols or clothing colors, but there was a distinct individuality between one guy and the next.

Apparently not anymore. it looks as though in AoS, we've gone to units of clones so that medieval army feel is no longer there.

3. The fluff just really seems childish and silly and far to fantastical for me to get into and seems like an idea Milton Bradley came up with during coffee break. Little bubbles floating around the ether of space, each carrying a different kingdom just waiting to bump into another bubble so they can fight just seems really slowed to me.

It lacks any kind of depth, story and really any reason to want to even exist in that world. I mean really, what kind of incentive does any kingdom have to win? the world is destroyed so if they win, they can float around for eternity trapped in their own little tiny kingdom-bubble?

I never really did get too far into WHFB, even when I was playing a lot of TT games.

I have a "decent" sized Ogre Kingdoms army that had seen some action, an older Dark Elves army that I am wondering if I'll ever get round to assembling, much less painting.

Currently, and the thing that kind of worries me, is that I've been on an Empire kick as of late, having bought 2 greatswords boxes, as well as a box of "Knightly Order/Reiksgard Knights". My worry being that I'll some how be at a "loss" for being able to continue purchasing the greatswords, because IMO, they are the BEST "landsknecht" model out there currently.

So..... After knowing what we know now about AoS, how many others are ready to join me going back to the Old World?

I never left it.

 Wolflord Patrick wrote:
So..... After knowing what we know now about AoS, how many others are ready to join me going back to the Old World?

Can I put my feet in both realms...sometimes if I wanna play a quick skirmish game I will play AOA....if I wanna play big ranked up army style I will play 8th...who is stopping you from enjoying both???

 The Shadow wrote:

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

Depending on what 9th was like, I did have in mind trying to start an online project here on Dakka in which we'd tweak the 8th ruleset and update the older army books (like bretonnia) so that people can continue to play 8th with various, favourable, community amendments. With 9th appearing to be so different, I'm more than happy to go ahead with such a project if there's enough support.

This. AoS looks ok but it's an entirely different game and I want to play Warhammer Fantasy Battles. I plan on sticking with 8th and I would love to get involved in a community project to tweak the existing rules/army books. Feel free to pm me if interested in working on this together.

As for AoS, I might try it as a separate game, but I will continue with fantasy battles.

We wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
My friends and I had been looking at a way to return to Warhammer, but were put off with the whole 'new edition changes everything' rumours. What I've seen so far does nothing but cement that aversion.

However, I'd still like to get in and pick up some older Warhammer stuff so I can play a little!

The problem for me is that a lot of the old Warhammer stuff wasn't updated and so it doesn't feel complete. I'm really hopeful for a group of people to tweak the rules as they were left so that there is a sort of continuation of the ruleset online at least that I could use. For example, my friend is only really interested in Brettonia, but that army book is far too old now.

Depending on what 9th was like, I did have in mind trying to start an online project here on Dakka in which we'd tweak the 8th ruleset and update the older army books (like bretonnia) so that people can continue to play 8th with various, favourable, community amendments. With 9th appearing to be so different, I'm more than happy to go ahead with such a project if there's enough support.

This. AoS looks ok but it's an entirely different game and I want to play Warhammer Fantasy Battles. I plan on sticking with 8th and I would love to get involved in a community project to tweak the existing rules/army books. Feel free to pm me if interested in working on this together.

As for AoS, I might try it as a separate game, but I will continue with fantasy battles.

The link to the thread is in my sig, if you'd like to contribute. Any input is very much appreciated

And yeah, I'm also of the same opinion as you. I will probably continue to play AoS (when I can have a more or less balanced game that is) but will cling on to 8th Fantasy for as long as I can.