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2015/07/17 18:53:35
Subject: Re:Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
Incidentally - you use GW models to play games with.
By definition they are toys.
So anyone saying that Gundam don't look good because they are just toys... not a productive argument, eh?
And I speak as somebody that has terrain that he bought at the dollar store....
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2015/07/17 19:28:17
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
Ooh, I bet they're awesome for Malifaux or any Steampunk RPG!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I think he meant "you can build two sorts of thing."
Which, of course, GW kits do, and Gundam don't.
Except the ones that transform.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: I think he meant "you can build two sorts of thing."
Which, of course, GW kits do, and Gundam don't.
Except the ones that transform.
Oh...well that's not anything special, its literally just including an extra sprue for different arms or weapons.
Nothing really technical about their model skills, and they charge you a fortune for the ability to decide which to make.
Hell, the Knight kits are all the same with a weapon swap...I'd hardly call that 'multi-faceted' with a serious face in a discussion defending GW.
At least FW has the balls to make some legitimately different Knights.
*Edit* I'm suspecting the goal poasts are going to sneak away somewhere soon. I imagine it'll be along the line of a gaming piece vs a modelling piece. Which is probably the orange and apples quote. Either way, it soundly puts to rest that GW does not make the best kits, in whatever medium or for whatever purpose.
Its fine to admit GW isn't the best. Its probably healthy for you too. Don't cling to companies. I have an MSI gaming laptop that I absolutely love, but the moment ASUS makes something better, I'll be the first person to jump ship. Likewise, the moment GW gets their act together by either pricing their kits better or offering better value for the price, and by making rules worth the time, effort, and money, I'll be the first person to support them.
Feel free to like what GW makes. They can be your favourite, that's fine. But posting nonsense like 'They're the bestest ever!' is unsupported fanboyism. Don't fall into it. Recognize that other companies make highly detailed models in plastic and other mediums. Recognize that some companies do it better for cheaper. Understand that 40k and AoS are rather flawed rule sets in mostly objective terms, and that other games are universally better balanced, simpler, and smoother to play. You can still enjoy all of that though, but don't fall into the trap of defending something so far as to claim with some certainty they are some indisputable master of everything.
It reminds me all too much of console fan boys who claim certain things without understanding the hardware under the hood.
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2015/07/17 19:49:53
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
I own around thirty gundam kits of different scsles and complexity. They are very much centered around the hobby of building and painting. In comparison wargame models are simplistic to build.
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2015/07/17 19:51:03
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
Swastakowey wrote: oOn a technical view they are very good. Clean, crisp and only minor issues (Mold lines on shoulder is like their only issue, minor).
But creativity is about creating something new or inventive.
the use of imagination or original ideas to create something; inventiveness.
I think many people don't (and many as in in my experience) see it as something new or original or even imaginative. It feels like they simply took Space Marines and turned them info Fantasy (super above human knightly fully armoured soldiers being the final bulwark against evil etc).
So from a quality and technical standpoint yes they are great. But creatively I think many people sort of saw through that move.
Liking them is fine, I mean putting historical soldiers in the future with some future gadgets is something I love, but it is not creative when you think about it. Its simply taking whats already been done and tweaking it.
GW and their Quality models is something I reckon most people agree is near perfect though.
Well, I will be the first to agree that the Sigmarites and Chaos models aren't [i]original[i], but I'm sure the creative team was given the constraints of, 'give us superhuman knights versus chaos'.
On the other hand, Adeptus Mechanics were really original, and in the last tear, Nagash, Mortarchs, Glotkin, Treeman and others were really original, in the sense that they are not derivative (they still have to fit into an existing theme of course). As opposed to Devastators and Windriders and Assault Terminators, which were cool and technically excellent but totally iterative.
Adeptus is somewhat original in some of the models (dragoons) but as many people put they just took what was already done for a lot of it and tweaked it. The robed ranger things for example are simply the same troopers I saw in my 3rd edition book of Imperial guard. But ultimately most of what they do is add or slightly change original ideas. Saying the treeman is original, to me, is like saying the latest Captain America suit is original because it is a different take on the original.
See Tau I would call the last very original thing they did. New Faction, entirely new models etc. Maybe due to a lack of knowledge on my part but they didn't take a single idea from their past and simply add something to it, they legitimately created something new and everything from the initial Tau till now is simply the same old Tau but with minor tweaks here and there.
I would not go as far to call them a bastion of creativity. They certainly started off with something special and so far has managed to keep that special thing going. But creating new ideas and new things is not the norm from GW. Redoing the same things is the norm however.
That of course is my opinion.
Actually, the Tau were designed by the same person who designed the Protoss for StarCraft, Incidentally, the two races look similar, but each has a distinct characteristic that sets them apart (The Tau not being psychic, having a flatter face, straight, angled armor pieces, battlesuits, alien auxiliaries, etc) (The Protoss have curved armor features, are psychic, only use battlesuits as a last option for the severely injured to have a purpose on the battlefield [see Dragoons, Immortals] )
Talys wrote:Please understand that I'm not at all denigrating Gundam models. I just think they're toys marketed to a different audience, so comparing prices isn't particularly helpful, because while a hobbyist into 40k might go and build Privateer Press models, they don't go and buy/build Gundam models (generally speaking).
Actually Talys, a good number of the 40K and WHFB players around here *do* buy Gundam Kits, myself included. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm immersed in the story of the Gundam series that I like, I usually try to buy my favorite designs that I've seen from the show (Since I like Gundam 00, the Real-Grade Gundam Exia kit was a must-have) I realize my evidence is purely anecdotal, but making extremely generalized and sweeping statements like yours is also anecdotal, because you don't have as much evidence as you need to make that statement.
JNC wrote:I'm talking about GW and their direct competition. How did you guys jump that far?
Blacksails is countering my apple with an orange.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Gundam kits are not multi-faceted, as much as I'm awares.
You keep using that word, multi-faceted, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
having many different parts : having many facets
Here's an image of the Real-Grade (1/144 scale) Gundam Exia, it has MANY parts, like, a lot more than the new Bloodthirster and Imperial Knights, I'm sure.
Heck, the blade attached to the arm is 4 pieces all by itself! The optional blades that hang off of it are at least 3 pieces each. Beam sabers are 2 pieces each (and there's a few of them, this was the Gundam code-named "Seven Swords" after all) So, Yes, Gundam kits *are* multi-faceted, and I'd say more so than GW kits. Especially since the RG kits have an inner frame you need to assemble and then build onto. You know how much this kit is? $30. For the level of articulation and number of parts, that's one HELL OF A DEAL. I can't wait to have mine painted up to show off.
Spoiler:
Zen117 wrote:i don't own any of the big gundam models, but i got one of the smaller Gundams when i was flying thru narita airport
so it's not a good comparison to imperial knight, but the small ones really are like kids toys compared to sigmar models which is what i meant
the big ones i have seen assembled on store shelves, the parts are not really all that awesome (look at the hands for eg, ik has so much more detail). but end of the day either one can be made to look awesome if you paint it real good.
i think there are a lot more people who buy gundam models than gw models because this is rly popular in japan. but i think a lot more people paint gw models than gundam models, because this is not big at all. i mean, sure, some people do, but its not a big hobby.
Gunpla is also really popular here in America, otherwise every time the local shop restocks kits I would be able to find the kits I want (only to find out they sold them almost as soon as they went on the shelf)
And BTW, the RG kits have hands with individually moving fingers. So... your anecdotal evidence and limited exposure to Gunpla have actually hindered your argument here. I realize my experience is also anecdotal, but given the popularity of Gundam here in America, if it really wasn't that popular, Bandai would've given up on the US market almost entirely, so to Bandai, Gunpla is still profitable in the US.
2015/07/17 19:53:37
Subject: Re:Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
I've also got 2 (perpetually WIP) Ork Bommas made from planes from Poundland. Recommended by someone on this very site to use them as the base.
I got a few cut-price Star Wars AATs out of Home Bargains. Thinking of using one as an experimental Tau skimmer liberated by Kroot Mercs. I don't think it's very much less complicated or detailed than a GW model. Heck, I was building Harrier jump jets and X-Wings when I was wee, before I discovered GW and wargaming. Even back when I liked GW games, I thought the vehicles were like chunky Tonka trucks in comparison.
Blacksails wrote:Hell, the Knight kits are all the same with a weapon swap...I'd hardly call that 'multi-faceted' with a serious face in a discussion defending GW.
Was pretty disappointed to see that the 40K warden was just a paladin with an extra rocket launcher on top.
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Azreal13 wrote: I think he meant "you can build two sorts of thing."
Which, of course, GW kits do, and Gundam don't.
Except the ones that transform.
Oh...well that's not anything special, its literally just including an extra sprue for different arms or weapons.
Nothing really technical about their model skills, and they charge you a fortune for the ability to decide which to make.
Hell, the Knight kits are all the same with a weapon swap...I'd hardly call that 'multi-faceted' with a serious face in a discussion defending GW.
At least FW has the balls to make some legitimately different Knights.
*Edit* I'm suspecting the goal poasts are going to sneak away somewhere soon. I imagine it'll be along the line of a gaming piece vs a modelling piece. Which is probably the orange and apples quote. Either way, it soundly puts to rest that GW does not make the best kits, in whatever medium or for whatever purpose.
Its fine to admit GW isn't the best. Its probably healthy for you too. Don't cling to companies. I have an MSI gaming laptop that I absolutely love, but the moment ASUS makes something better, I'll be the first person to jump ship. Likewise, the moment GW gets their act together by either pricing their kits better or offering better value for the price, and by making rules worth the time, effort, and money, I'll be the first person to support them.
Feel free to like what GW makes. They can be your favourite, that's fine. But posting nonsense like 'They're the bestest ever!' is unsupported fanboyism. Don't fall into it. Recognize that other companies make highly detailed models in plastic and other mediums. Recognize that some companies do it better for cheaper. Understand that 40k and AoS are rather flawed rule sets in mostly objective terms, and that other games are universally better balanced, simpler, and smoother to play. You can still enjoy all of that though, but don't fall into the trap of defending something so far as to claim with some certainty they are some indisputable master of everything.
It reminds me all too much of console fan boys who claim certain things without understanding the hardware under the hood.
For some reason, that post made me think of this..
Disclaimer: NSFW language if you're unfamiliar.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
MWHistorian wrote: I own around thirty gundam kits of different scsles and complexity. They are very much centered around the hobby of building and painting. In comparison wargame models are simplistic to build.
That is an interesting comment as we increasingly see that people who are very keen on GW models don't actually play a lot of games, they buy the models for building and painting.
Choose GW Choose PP Choose a fething big Forge World model
Choose plastic kits, resin kits, even restic if you're a bit odd
Choose pound store glue, medical grade scalpels or GW tools
Choose expensive models, Mantic or convert pound store toys
Choose friends
Choose custom battle foam in personalised cases
Choose spending all night gaming and waking up wondering who the feth you are on a Monday morning
Choose sitting on your arse, gluing gak together while everyone else is going out getting pissed on a Saturday night
Choose sitting in a pile of sprues, realising what you've spent and crying yourself to sleep in the foetal position while your children slowly realise that their inheritance is going to be in Space Marines
Choose wargaming
Choose not having a life.
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Blacksails wrote: Well feth me, I don't know how I haven't seen that movie yet, but looks like I know what I'm doing Sunday.
It's awesome, and much more accessible than the book, which is written entirely in Glaswegian.
It's proper dark in places though, I mean proper real world dark.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: Choose GW Choose PP Choose a fething big Forge World model
Choose plastic kits, resin kits, even restic if you're a bit odd
Choose pound store glue, medical grade scalpels or GW tools
Choose expensive models, Mantic or convert pound store toys
Choose friends
Choose custom battle foam in personalised cases
Choose spending all night gaming and waking up wondering who the feth you are on a Monday morning
Choose sitting on your arse, gluing gak together while everyone else is going out getting pissed on a Saturday night
Choose sitting in a pile of sprues, realising what you've spent and crying yourself to sleep in the foetal position while your children slowly realise that their inheritance is going to be in Space Marines
Choose wargaming
Choose not having a life.
Bravo!
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2015/07/17 20:13:08
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
Actually, the Tau were designed by the same person who designed the Protoss for StarCraft,
The Protoss predate the Tau by at least 4 years given that the original Starcraft was released in 1997; in addition Andy Chambers didn't work for Blizzard until 2006.
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Actually, the Tau were designed by the same person who designed the Protoss for StarCraft,
The Protoss predate the Tau by at least 4 years given that the original Starcraft was released in 1997; in addition Andy Chambers didn't work for Blizzard until 2006.
I thought the Protoss were designed originally by Robert Cirillo? (Who, coincidentally had new Tau concept art that hasn't been used by GW, so I assume the two aren't on terms)
2015/07/17 20:18:52
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
It won't be, at least by my observations. There are 3 stores in my area and all of them have said they are selling fantasy stuff like crazy. One said something like he's sold more fantasy since AoS came out than in the past 2 years (no real big fantasy club in my area). It's all about money for GW and they've made a gak ton by getting lots of new players. Compared to 8th ed, the buy in is very cheap. A battlebox is enough for a whole army. Cheap = more people finanically able to play.
This is just from my observations though, could be different elsewhere.
He's been ferried through hell on a ship that's ten thousand years old to some godforsaken, war-torn rock; He is one of ten million men snatched from his home to fight a war he barely understands; He wages war against devouring hiveminds, ravenous demons and hordes of hyper-advanced aliens with strange technologies and sorceries he never dreamed existed; no one will remember his sacrifice, there will be no records of his deeds, no glorious parades in his honor, and no remembrance of his name. All he will earn is a shallow, unmarked grave on a forgotten world untold lightyears from home.
Yet for all this thankless sacrifice a Guardsman is a man, just like you. He has no millennia-old genetic engineering, no prophetic leader, no miracles of faith. He has his lasgun, his orders, and those beside him. He is the Imperial Guard.
And he will hold the line.
Ferox 1st Calvary Regiment 2500pts
2015/07/17 20:33:19
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
JNC wrote: I'm talking about GW and their direct competition. How did you guys jump that far?
Then look at the Leviathan Crusader from Dreamforge for the same technical casting level, with more poseability and cheaper price.
Blacksails is countering my apple with an orange.
How so?
Gundam kits are not multi-faceted, as much as I'm awares.
What do you mean by multi-faceted? That is has many features? Because what can I see, Gundam kits have plenty of features that most GW kits don't.
I'm afraid you'll have to be a little more specific in your defense that GW makes the best models and that they're the most creative.
Besides, didn't you mention earlier that you were out of here?
I'm going to be honest with you Blacksails, at kool-aid, I stopped taking you serious. You have provided nothing worth responding to.
"How so"
Because you took someone else's statement at twisted it to fit your kool-aid perspective. If you are not aware of the basic concepts, I can't help you.
" Out of Here" was 'I'm out' as in going to bed.
2015/07/17 20:36:42
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
Dalek Sec wrote: It won't be, at least by my observations. There are 3 stores in my area and all of them have said they are selling fantasy stuff like crazy. One said something like he's sold more fantasy since AoS came out than in the past 2 years (no real big fantasy club in my area). It's all about money for GW and they've made a gak ton by getting lots of new players. Compared to 8th ed, the buy in is very cheap. A battlebox is enough for a whole army. Cheap = more people finanically able to play.
This is just from my observations though, could be different elsewhere.
Store owners and even store workers will never tell you a product is dead. I would be sacked if I told a customer that X boats hardly sell etc. Everything in any store sells if you ask a salesmen etc. Yes they can say somethings are popular but nothing is ever not popular. This is especially true if a product is supposed to be a major thing.
Someone with more experience can say more, but I usually ignore anything salesmen say because chances are they are lying one way or another. At the very least hiding some of the truth. You don't sell anything with negativity.
2015/07/17 20:40:28
Subject: Re:Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
JNC wrote: I'm talking about GW and their direct competition. How did you guys jump that far?
Then look at the Leviathan Crusader from Dreamforge for the same technical casting level, with more poseability and cheaper price.
Blacksails is countering my apple with an orange.
How so?
Gundam kits are not multi-faceted, as much as I'm awares.
What do you mean by multi-faceted? That is has many features? Because what can I see, Gundam kits have plenty of features that most GW kits don't.
I'm afraid you'll have to be a little more specific in your defense that GW makes the best models and that they're the most creative.
Besides, didn't you mention earlier that you were out of here?
I'm going to be honest with you Blacksails, at kool-aid, I stopped taking you serious. You have provided nothing worth responding to.
"How so"
Because you took someone else's statement at twisted it to fit your kool-aid perspective. If you are not aware of the basic concepts, I can't help you.
" Out of Here" was 'I'm out' as in going to bed.
So, you're not even going to respond to the fact that you used the term "Multi-faceted" wrong?
2015/07/17 20:41:31
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
*Edit* I'm suspecting the goal poasts are going to sneak away somewhere soon. I imagine it'll be along the line of a gaming piece vs a modelling piece. Which is probably the orange and apples quote. Either way, it soundly puts to rest that GW does not make the best kits, in whatever medium or for whatever purpose.
Its fine to admit GW isn't the best. Its probably healthy for you too. Don't cling to companies. I have an MSI gaming laptop that I absolutely love, but the moment ASUS makes something better, I'll be the first person to jump ship. Likewise, the moment GW gets their act together by either pricing their kits better or offering better value for the price, and by making rules worth the time, effort, and money, I'll be the first person to support them.
Oh my God you're so right, It's you who move.
Who is worshipping GW. I just like and buy what I like
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2015/07/17 20:43:50
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
My mistake, but my strongest memories are of the movie, where hardly any of the cast are from Edinburgh, heck, Johnny Lee Miller isn't even Scottish!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
JNC wrote: [
I'm going to be honest with you Blacksails, at kool-aid, I stopped taking you serious. You have provided nothing worth responding to.
Then why didn't you respond? Seems like a cop out the moment someone challenges you.
If it makes you feel any better, you responded in kind, so I could say the same thing to you, but here I am.
"How so"
Because you took someone else's statement at twisted it to fit your kool-aid perspective. If you are not aware of the basic concepts, I can't help you.
Where?
Again, specifics. I am genuinely unsure of what you're trying to point to me, so it would serve the discussion for you to clarify. If you don't want to do that, then fine, but don't act like you're superior for not explaining something.
" Out of Here" was 'I'm out' as in going to bed.
Fair enough.
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2015/07/17 20:46:02
Subject: Re:Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
JNC wrote: I'm talking about GW and their direct competition. How did you guys jump that far?
Then look at the Leviathan Crusader from Dreamforge for the same technical casting level, with more poseability and cheaper price.
Blacksails is countering my apple with an orange.
How so?
Gundam kits are not multi-faceted, as much as I'm awares.
What do you mean by multi-faceted? That is has many features? Because what can I see, Gundam kits have plenty of features that most GW kits don't.
I'm afraid you'll have to be a little more specific in your defense that GW makes the best models and that they're the most creative.
Besides, didn't you mention earlier that you were out of here?
I'm going to be honest with you Blacksails, at kool-aid, I stopped taking you serious. You have provided nothing worth responding to.
"How so"
Because you took someone else's statement at twisted it to fit your kool-aid perspective. If you are not aware of the basic concepts, I can't help you.
" Out of Here" was 'I'm out' as in going to bed.
So, you're not even going to respond to the fact that you used the term "Multi-faceted" wrong?
multi-faceted-having many aspects or phases
How am I wrong? A baneblade can be built to several variants, that cover different aspects of the game.
2015/07/17 20:46:03
Subject: Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
*Edit* I'm suspecting the goal poasts are going to sneak away somewhere soon. I imagine it'll be along the line of a gaming piece vs a modelling piece. Which is probably the orange and apples quote. Either way, it soundly puts to rest that GW does not make the best kits, in whatever medium or for whatever purpose.
Its fine to admit GW isn't the best. Its probably healthy for you too. Don't cling to companies. I have an MSI gaming laptop that I absolutely love, but the moment ASUS makes something better, I'll be the first person to jump ship. Likewise, the moment GW gets their act together by either pricing their kits better or offering better value for the price, and by making rules worth the time, effort, and money, I'll be the first person to support them.
Oh my God you're so right, It's you who move.
Who is worshipping GW. I just like and buy what I like
Please try and ensure your posts are coherent.
Thanks!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Who is worshipping GW. I just like and buy what I like
So in one response, I'm not worth responding to, then immediately after, I'm suddenly worth responding to? Make up your mind here.
How am I moving my position or goal posts? I'm not the one who made the original claim here. Remember it was *you* who posited that GW makes the best kits. After being challenged and shown to be false, you have done nothing to argue the point further.
If you're in here defending GW and getting defensive at comments like 'kool-aid', it'd suggest you take some degree of offense to any criticism aimed against GW. You also stated that GW makes the best kits without any substantial proof or logic, suggesting you're pretty loyal to them, and potentially exclusively so, but I'm not entirely sure.
Again, feel free to clarify, or just leave, or dismiss me, or whatever you want.
Its Friday and I'm starting my binge now.
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2015/07/17 20:52:14
Subject: Re:Anyone kind of hopeing AoS is the final nail for GW?
JNC wrote: [
I'm going to be honest with you Blacksails, at kool-aid, I stopped taking you serious. You have provided nothing worth responding to.
Then why didn't you respond? Seems like a cop out the moment someone challenges you.
If it makes you feel any better, you responded in kind, so I could say the same thing to you, but here I am.
"How so"
Because you took someone else's statement at twisted it to fit your kool-aid perspective. If you are not aware of the basic concepts, I can't help you.
Where?
Again, specifics. I am genuinely unsure of what you're trying to point to me, so it would serve the discussion for you to clarify. If you don't want to do that, then fine, but don't act like you're superior for not explaining something.
" Out of Here" was 'I'm out' as in going to bed.
Fair enough.
You kool-aid me.
Then move the post as needed, edit after I've already posted my set in stone guidelines for my opinion, like I have already made my case.
You have not provided anything worthwhile.
Procede to keep me Kool-aided up ,passively, while never reponding to any of my assertions.
What am I supposed to do? Agree with you?
Cop out I've been super-clear about everything , replying several times with ample information for you to counter.
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I don't think it's very much less complicated or detailed than a 
2500pts 
