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I think this will end up being New Coke or Crystal Clear Pepsi or even 4th ed D&D. Lots of buzz at first but when the reality of "this is it?" sets in, it'll decline.

Just a prediction.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I think this will end up being New Coke or Crystal Clear Pepsi or even 4th ed D&D. Lots of buzz at first but when the reality of "this is it?" sets in, it'll decline.

Just a prediction.

What really hurt 4thD&D wasn't really the change of rules; it was the content of the books.

Fewer background and plenty of new (and sometimes useless) rules.

For a RPG game, that was a serious mistake. Still, 4th edition had (and certainly still has) its own community. It just wasn't enough.


We'll see what kind of content GW will bring to AoS - and from that, it will be a success or a failure.

For now, they managed to get the "old school of gamers" angry. That's a huge gamble, as it was for D&D. Future will tell, but indeed...it's not an easy one.

Well, if we're expecting it all to go New Coke, then they would be going back to WHFB in 6 months and everyone would love them for it and they would experience an unprecedented upswing in sales...

That's not the reaction I would have to the nilly willy shifting back and forth.

I'm just really glad I completely ignored the whole (now invalidated) End Times nonsense.

 Purifier wrote:

I'm just really glad I completely ignored the whole (now invalidated) End Times nonsense.

Ah! I remember clearly I was told being a fool when I was saying that series announced the end of WFB.

And I felt their rage when those people actually saw it was exactly that. Some still didn't believe it until AoS came. And some still dare to say it's not really the end of WFB.

Fanboys are indeed a terrifying thing to see.

Tried to play a few games with my dwarfs. Things I noticed was, that big special characters are better then anything else, specialy if they are mounted. Cavalery is OP. The only way for dwarf players to win is to spam artilery, which at the same time makes it very unfun for the other player and turns the whole game in to a roll check if I get two first turns back to back and kill his tyrions/melekiths. Armies that can't be killed with cannons are impossible to beat with dwarfs. It is a good thing that most of the time magic is not an important, but when it is it breaks the game. Something like nagash can solo a dwarf army. Sudden victory is the most stupid set of rules ever. Untargetable units , nagahs with zombi dragons, mass cavalery all are more devastating then a foot army, but can be run with fewer models. Summoning is probably the close second thing to sudden death. It breaks the game even when armies are limited to just formation compositions, because stupid GW worded the size of an army in a such a way that it is checked for legality only durning construction.

I hope they fix it in a real rule book or something, because right now it is dead for tournaments and very unfun outside of tournaments.

My dwarfs are doing fine in aos i only have 3 cannon and thats plenty to kill a monster even nagash. Foot troops work fine for me slayers are excelent in this game now and for an enemy who hides at the back theres rangers who shoot there crossbows twice if theres more than 20 of them coming on in t2 with bugmans help.
Ive found so far with this game that units need to work in tandum and boost each other sure a cav charge will mess a unit up but then what, there on there own and die the constant to hit/wound rolls really changes things and turn priority makes a big diffrence. I'm playing it and getting the box it's got me back into fantasy so alls good to me.

Well, I'm eagerly waiting for the starter set.
The miniatures look fantastic.

I think I'm most excited for the continuous narrative. I mean, AoS is the very first chapter in what I hope will be a very long story.

 NecroPunk wrote:
I think I'm most excited for the continuous narrative. I mean, AoS is the very first chapter in what I hope will be a very long story.

Yeah, I like that too. I always loved that in WarmaHordes with each supplement progressing the storyline forward, although that game is a bit too competitive to fully make use of it. AoS seems to be perfect for that. Just like LotR was - overall loose formation skirmish games allow your army to flow around and make use of terrain properly - that's what I hated about WFB - shoe box pushing movement mechanic that only punished you for cool scenery features.

I find their balancing mechanics interesting. True line of sight for attacking things, even if attacker and target are locked in seperate melees you can still shoot them. Also, when measuring from the model instead of the base you can pile up bases to get more models in melee and reaching units such as spearmen and lunging monsters get to hit more often. Remember that the model isn't moved in any way until the measuring is done. So pivoting and the like WILL NOT give you an advantage. Playing on a 3"x3" table will give you a couple hours of gameplay and limit the effectiveness of summoners and big monsters because they can't hide well from things that threaten them. Also with pile in moves you don't want to bunch up your army too much because the opponent may be able to swing his forces around your front line units while piling in and now your archers are getting their teeth kicked in when they thought they were safe.

You don't pre plan your army. You each have a collection to choose units from, and take turns deploying them. So death player places negash, dark elf player places bolt throwers to kill him. Death player then counters that with cavalry to rush the bolt throwers before they doe serious damage, dark elf player surrounds bolt throwers with a big ring of dread spears. And so on until the deployment zone is full, or you agree that there is enough to play on the table.

Deployment zone size, you max out on army size based on the table you play on. It even limits summoned units due to being restricted in how close they have to be to the summoner and how far they have to be from the enemy. Which keeps negash from just flooding the table after the first turn, but you have to rush him to keep him in line.

As for the sudden death rules, if you have 33% more models and got to cherry pick what you field to counter what they put down placing a turn limit on when you have to table your opponent is a legitimate balancing factor for victory.

I will NOT buy AoS - I have plenty enough WFB models already.

I have played AoS, and will continue to do so.