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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Hey kids, remember Star Wars : Republic Commando?
Let the Clone Troopers be Kasrkin.
You're welcome.

Also, remember the TIE/X-Wing games? Replace with 40K void/atmospheric fighters and current, pweitty, pweitty pew-pew lasers and explosions. You're welcome!

No Warhammer 40,000: Battlefront?

That would be cool, but exceedingly hard to balance and still maintain the semblance of sticking too the fluff.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
Beast of Nurgle simulator 2015.

That'd just be a game about making friends and then eating them.

Ah, so you think it's a good idea too!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That would be cool, but exceedingly hard to balance and still maintain the semblance of sticking too the fluff.

Guardsmen are fodder NPCs for the Imperials.

Tau players are all Battlesuits of various types. Fire Warriors are fodder NPCs (though noticeably more powerful than guardsmen, outside of melee)

Ork players are all fethhuge Nobz with Boyz being the fodder NPCs.

There, lore balance fixed.

A system similar to Battlefront 2, where the more kills and honours you get as baseline troops unlocks better classes, with limited maximum numbers able to be in battle at any one time, to use in that match, could work. Imperium vs Orks would start out as regular boyz against regular guardsmen, and end with specialised kommandos, storybook, and nobz interspersed through the Orks, and tactical, assault, and devastator Marines scattered among the imperials; never more of either than can be counted on both hands.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
A system similar to Battlefront 2, where the more kills and honours you get as baseline troops unlocks better classes, with limited maximum numbers able to be in battle at any one time, to use in that match, could work. Imperium vs Orks would start out as regular boyz against regular guardsmen, and end with specialised kommandos, storybook, and nobz interspersed through the Orks, and tactical, assault, and devastator Marines scattered among the imperials; never more of either than can be counted on both hands.

In my opinion that's too big a leap.

On a 1v1 basis, a Space Marine simply does everything better than a Guardsman does. In Battlefront 2, even the limited classes were not always better than basic ones; the Droideka lacked the missile launcher of the SBD as well as the ability to take cover, not to mention the ability to move quickly while firing.

Have you played Space Marine? In Exterminatus, you play standard Marines without plot armour, and as a CSM there I managed to bring down over one thousand Guardsmen before dying to some primaris psykers (although I wasn't even close to fighting all at once, the point stands). I don't see how you'll balance that while keeping the lore intact.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That would be cool, but exceedingly hard to balance and still maintain the semblance of sticking too the fluff.

Guardsmen are fodder NPCs for the Imperials.

Tau players are all Battlesuits of various types. Fire Warriors are fodder NPCs (though noticeably more powerful than guardsmen, outside of melee)

Ork players are all fethhuge Nobz with Boyz being the fodder NPCs.

There, lore balance fixed.

That might be interesting. Although you would want to have the option for people to go to specialist roles. Like a tau player could lead a sniper drone team, become a stealth suit, or a boradside. imperial players could be some IG or SM specialist, or maybe even an inquisitor. Orks could do stuff like wierdboys, mega-nobs, ect. Eldar would have the choice between all the paths. Vehicles would be interesting. You'd probably have to make some of the bigger ones (stompa, wraithknight, riptide) rewards or something only one person could have at a time. Aircraft would be intersting too. Probably a fighter and bomber per side. Although, tau don't really have a true bomber (other than the codex one, but that's non-canon as far as I'm concerned, I hate that thing). The barracuda might be able to act as a mix of both though. It's not (canonically) as fast as the lightning, but more maneuverable, better armed and armoured. It could switch between using missile pods and the normal ion cannon profile, and just the overcharged blast for when bombing. And you might have even bigger things to act like the AT-AT, titian in fact. With the advent of the new tau titain (no matter how un-tau I think it looks) it allows for each side to have it's own titainm

Black Crusade the Free-Roam RPG. Set it just within a sector of space with a handful of worlds each with a map around the size of GTA V with living AI with a changing economy, wars between factions, and maybe even external invasions. No multiplayer beyond CO/OP either, instead people log into characters in a similar manner to MMO's and can drop in or out of a friend's game while saving their own progression.

Something along the lines of Star Wars Galaxies, only singleplayer/offline focused and before that horrible update that mutated the game.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
No Warhammer 40,000: Battlefront?

Hmm, while it's a cool idea on paper, I think the issues that others have raised are valid and stop it from being at the top of more people's lists. That and a Bioware style action RPG and/or shoot 'n' slash like Space Marine seem to be the preference.
I'm still really liking the idea of SimHive, however unlikely. And an XCOM style Necromunda.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Black Crusade the Free-Roam RPG. Set it just within a sector of space with a handful of worlds each with a map around the size of GTA V with living AI with a changing economy, wars between factions, and maybe even external invasions. No multiplayer beyond CO/OP either, instead people log into characters in a similar manner to MMO's and can drop in or out of a friend's game while saving their own progression.

Something along the lines of Star Wars Galaxies, only singleplayer/offline focused and before that horrible update that mutated the game.

Yes! I like the sound of this, too. My, there's such potential. C'mon game devs, get cracking!

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
No Warhammer 40,000: Battlefront?

Hmm, while it's a cool idea on paper, I think the issues that others have raised are valid and stop it from being at the top of more people's lists.

I really disagree, but I can't put my disagreement into words at this time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
Beast of Nurgle simulator 2015.

That'd just be a game about making friends and then eating them.

You sure that wouldn't be Slaanesh?

Anyway, my vote would be to a Battlefront: W40K game. It could be done, just requires some effort to make it work. I could even see it possible to play as a Guardsmen, but perhaps with an entire squad around you as backup/ablative wounds.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


That might be interesting. Although you would want to have the option for people to go to specialist roles. Like a tau player could lead a sniper drone team, become a stealth suit, or a boradside. imperial players could be some IG or SM specialist, or maybe even an inquisitor. Orks could do stuff like wierdboys, mega-nobs, ect. Eldar would have the choice between all the paths. Vehicles would be interesting. You'd probably have to make some of the bigger ones (stompa, wraithknight, riptide) rewards or something only one person could have at a time. Aircraft would be intersting too. Probably a fighter and bomber per side. Although, tau don't really have a true bomber (other than the codex one, but that's non-canon as far as I'm concerned, I hate that thing). The barracuda might be able to act as a mix of both though. It's not (canonically) as fast as the lightning, but more maneuverable, better armed and armoured. It could switch between using missile pods and the normal ion cannon profile, and just the overcharged blast for when bombing. And you might have even bigger things to act like the AT-AT, titian in fact. With the advent of the new tau titain (no matter how un-tau I think it looks) it allows for each side to have it's own titainm

Imperial PCs are Space Marines (sorry SoB, but unless you want to go down the Space Paladin route you are SM-1). They are generalists who do everything rather well and can sustain high damage. They have all the classes you know and love (tactical, assault, devastator)

Tau are all Battlesuits of various types. The generic Crisis is tough and shooty, and very mobile with its jetpack, but ineffective if the enemy gets into melee range and not particularly agile in itself. Broadsides trade the mobility and what little melee ability they had for more toughness and firepower. Stealthsuits trade some firepower and toughness for the ability to cloak.

Eldar all do high damage and are very fast, but very fragile; they chiefly rely on speed, evade moves and running from cover to cover to survive gunfire. Difficult but rewarding for skilled players.

The rest of the races are self-explanatory, I think. The TTK should be pretty high - the races in 40k have high firepower but except for the fodder NPCs they also have the resilience and/or agility to take it as good as they get. Avoiding a CoD-esque oneshotfest should be a high priority. When everyone is tougher, tactics become more important, and ambush and cornercamping becomes less of an I.W.I.N. button.

Weapons should be good at different things. Bolters should rapidly carve down fodder NPCs and more easily hit Eldar thanks to higher rate of fire, as well as whittling down tougher foes with repeated hits, whereas a plasma gun's high penetration makes it effective against slow and tough enemies like Broadsides and Meganobz but it struggles to hit Eldar because of its low rate of fire.

The sheer variety would make it difficult to balance, but who cares, as long as the devs actually care and patch what's broken it would be entirely playable.

Probably want to do sow initial post-beta, pre-relase testing too. Stating specifically that it will almost definitively be unbalanced, but as a way to get the balance relatively reasonable before launch.

On the subject of sisters, I could see them being a same armour, less toughness, strength ect, support character. Using acts of faith to do stuff like group protection, group heal, ect.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Probably want to do sow initial post-beta, pre-relase testing too. Stating specifically that it will almost definitively be unbalanced, but as a way to get the balance relatively reasonable before launch.

On the subject of sisters, I could see them being a same armour, less toughness, strength ect, support character. Using acts of faith to do stuff like group protection, group heal, ect.

Honestly, I'd rather just not include them at all. They walk a territory between Guardsmen and Space Marines that makes them hideously difficult to balance while keeping the lore intact.

As any die-hard SoB fan will tell you, they do not actually usually do Paladin stuff outside the RPGs.

They might be a good elite mook though, a middle ground between guardsmen and SMs. They take damage quite well, and can dish it out, but are still just human (albeit extremely well trained, armed and armoured). Especially with stuff like heavy bolters and heavy flamers. About the same level as stormtroopers, but in different roles.

Abilities might be an interesting way to really flesh out each race. Tau would have stuff related to their tech (scanning for targets, long distance seeker missiles ect), whereas eldar would tend to be psychic based (deflecting stuff that would have otherwise hit, stunning targets, ect). A morale system with the mooks might be good too, allowing for stuff like terrify and stubborn.


Honestly this might even work better as something like planetside, allowing for massive battles, with hundreds of players, and massive amounts of mooks.

I don't think SoB would be very tanky, even with the armor. Their PA protects them very well against slash and pierce attacks, but many weapons in 40k (including the bolter) has so much kinetic force that they will just smash their ribs and squash their organs without actually piercing the armor.

More than Ig and storm troopers though. Still mooks, just elite mooks.

Honestly I would enjoy a 40k version of xcom. Anyone else think that would be kind of interesting? That or a 40k RPG that's like mass effect or dragon age origins.