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Wow...I thought this stuff was a joke at first...


Anyways, people would just end up ignore the role-playing, and claim the rules. I don't know too many Ork players who yell "Whaaaagh!" but they still use the rules.

I think some sort of similar sub-game designed for kids or innebriated adults as a kind of party game might be kind of fun and silly, but none of this stuff in the main game, if you please.

So there wont be any US military(I don't know any other military standards) playing Dwarves anymore? Wow, way to bias the rules . This was an attempt to reboot a game that had been lagging so bad it was silly. Do I agree with it, hell no. People I know who have played say its fun, but is not Fantasy WHB. I don't think 40k has anything to fear since its still the top seller and has no need for a reboot. Aside from the insane new power creep in the codices, this is the most fun edition of 40k since 2nd and I think a lot of people have keyed in on this.

I like games where you can have some fun acting things out, think Red Dragon Inn. But that is a fun drinking game to play with friends, not a serious tactical wargame. I'm currently not afraid of this hitting 40k, and I think the 40k part of dakka has been talking too much about it. Move on folk, let our slowed brother play on the side of the road.

a party game that cost 150$. I might as well get Mario Party whatever, I will get to yell for 50.

They've totally lost the plot.

If you can't see just how little respect this shows they have for their customers, I feel sorry for you.

I vote Nay.

To all the facial hair naysayers, nothing says it has to be natural. I for one am military and would bring my own beard just for the lulz.

The details my friends, them's where daemons be.

Poly Ranger wrote:
@ Slayer la boucher: Personally I can assure you I am not a shy or socially awkward guy, I used to run bar crawls in Newcastle averaging between 150-180 people, and I promise you that no shy or socially awkward person could have been as successful at running them as I was. Now having said that - I would resent GW for forcing me to do such things if I want to play the game 'properly' and with an even chance. I like to play the game in my own way and whilst I do not mind the odd person doing the whole in-character shouting, it is not my style. It would also make it difficult to carry on in converting my girlfriend to the game.
Furthermore, granting people official in game benefits for having a longer beard or moustach is pure sexism, no matter how you dress it up as a laidback jovial approach.

That's discriminating against women that have beards!

I seriously doubt that this was meant to be sexist. For one, no publicly traded company would deliberately say or do anything considered 'offensive.' Second, that would imply that GW have this aspect of the rules any more than a moment's thought.

I laughed when I first saw these as I believed them to be a joke.
Then I downloaded the rules and wept tears for I saw that they where true.

This is the death of Fantasy. No balancing system, stupid special rules, terrible system... And it made me into an even bigger pessimistic naysayer. If GW want little children playing then they can go right ahead, but the way these rules are done will bring even more ridicule down on the community. People shouting WAAAGH!, comparing beards, raising goblets of wine, yada yada.... Can you imagine what people walking past will think?

Point well made but I don't think that'd go down well with the gf - "so if you want a better chance at winning, you'll have to wear this santa beard throughout the game to make sure you always have the longest beard in case you or anyone else brings a thane. Oh and whilst on the topic, here is an Asterix Moustach. Yes, yes of course you need it in case anybody brings Helsbourg. Also you know that subgame in ring of fire, Snakes-eyes? Well I'm bringing medusa so you really don't want to be making eye contact with me during the game. No! I swear I'm not making it up, GW are involving drinking games in WH now - look here are the rules. Ok, well if you want to even it out, you know that I have a really bad back and kneel rather than bend over to pick things up? Well if you make me kneel to pick up dice at any point during the game you auto win! Yes - even if you only have 1 model left and I haven't suffered a single casualty. Well it must be fair! It's in the rules, see? Ok we can ignore that one if we don't take that character. Ok here's another way to make it easier for you - you can take control of ANY one of my units... but you have to give me cheeky fun time later on. No I'm not making it up, I promise! Look right there - it's in the rules! Braaarghrasghurah!!!!! Huh? Oh that was my braying warcry. Eh? What do you mean you're going out?"

Yeah. I'm glad I'm teaching her 40k.

I must admit I am big on "rules as written".

The extra acting credits during the game are irritating since I would not opt into using them due to silliness but others will "dance" to the rules for advantage.

Just makes another tier of play... wonderful.

I want games to be inclusive, outside looking in I think it will repel people rather than have them thinking it is a "good time".

Ugh...

Let's pray to the Chaos Gods that if GW decides to "bring 40k back to its roots" they just rerelease Gorkamorka.

Seems to me that game was endless fun without having slowed charade rules.

Still waiting for a rule such as "If you lose the game, optionally perform Seppuku to reclaim your clans honor and force a draw!"

Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

People these days.

 Runic wrote:
Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

People these days.

Exalted. Thank you.

nvm

every time i capture an objective with my cultist i scream, "Hwee Kaptoored Eet Fhor Kay-oss!"

I feel like if I can fart a 3-note melody, the enemy should lose all detachment benefits.

 Runic wrote:
Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

People these days.

I tried to make a joke of it later on if you'd carried on reading, but thanks for the condescension.

But now you bring it back up, an OFFICIAL in game rule that gives benefits to people with the longest moustache or beard is indeed sexism as it is incredibly difficult for females to grow such facial hair, thus benefits males over females. Now I was just pointing out that it is a sexist attitude, it wasn't the main thing I was foccusing on and I can appreciate GW having a joke.

The issue is that it is written into the main game rules. These rules shows what GW actually think of its customer base and show the lack of respect they hold towards that customer base. It forces players to play a certain way of they want to play raw without being disadvantaged. Some players like to scream Waaaggghhh, some don't, and both are completely fine. Why should we all have to do so if we want advantages in the game? Why should we be shoehorned into all being that one type of player?

 Runic wrote:
Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

"Get real" is what I suggest to you.

You provide a flat out denial, but you don't actually provide any reasoning to counter the arguments presented.

Of course, you don't have any counter-argument to begin with.

Reminds me of 4th edition D&D. Removed all the old familiar rules to make it simpler, for the kids. You know, all those D&D playing 8 year olds. In my opinion its all gonna go as well as 4th ed D&D did. With pathfinder/mantic picking up the slack.

The rules about facial hair aren't the joke. The joke is that people think winning or losing GW games is of even the slightest import. The facial hair rules are the punchline.

GW has been telling us, explictly or implicitly, for years that the game is meant to be casual, non-competitive, and about the narrative. The joke is that we all kept playing the game to win.

 Polonius wrote:
GW has been telling us, explictly or implicitly, for years that the game is meant to be casual, non-competitive, and about the narrative.

So GW thinks only immature neckbeards can be casual, non-competitive, and care about the narrative?

 Runic wrote:
Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

People these days.

We could change the rule to, "Whoever has the biggest cup size." That might apply to some men as well. That make you happy?

 Melissia wrote:

 Runic wrote:
Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

"Get real" is what I suggest to you.

You provide a flat out denial, but you don't actually provide any reasoning to counter the arguments presented.

Of course, you don't have any counter-argument to begin with.

Well, that's the most useless post I've seen all week, you're basically just asking for an argument. Go ahead and think otherwise, it changes nothing.

Sorry then Poly Ranger, didn't catch the joking part. All cool.

If someone thinks a harmless joke in a game is sexism and gets offended by it, I don't know what to tell you really. Must be hard existing. And with that, I'm done on the subject ( a ridiculous one to beginwith. )

No worries then.

 Runic wrote:
Well, that's the most useless post I've seen all week, you're basically just asking for an argument.

Dictionary wrote:Argument; a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.

Yes, I am.

 Runic wrote:
a harmless joke in a game

A sexist "joke", whether or not you personally think it is "harmless", that is part of the official rules of the game is a perfectly valid reason to dislike said game compared to better-designed games.

 Melissia wrote:

 Runic wrote:
Putting a moustache joke rule in a game isn't sexism. For crying out loud, will you get real.

"Get real" is what I suggest to you.

You provide a flat out denial, but you don't actually provide any reasoning to counter the arguments presented.

Of course, you don't have any counter-argument to begin with.

I've seen women with more facial hair than some men.

Stop overusing the term "sexist".

And I've seen men with bigger boobs than mine. An exception to a general rule does not disprove the existence of a general rule; IE, "it's a bad idea to drive around Israel waving a Nazi flag" is a good general rule, and while it might be possible for you to have a good time doing that, it's still kind of dumb.

 Talizvar wrote:
Ah, so we get some LARP with our tabletop as a possibility.
Grim-dark switching to grim-dork.
Gamers can be looked on as freaks enough without this.

Next we will have to all line-dance every time "Lord Emperor" is mentioned.

Did I say this is goofy and not the behavior of a guy in his mid 40's? Not doing it, no sir.

Grimdark has always been grim-dork. Always.

This kind of radical change Won't happen as long as 40k still make them loads of $. Also Age of Sigmar might go out like Dreadfleet did and in doing so they will never even attempt something like that with 40K. I don't think they will be able to rise AoS sales any higher than what WFB was.

And 40k has not been making them loads of money for a company their size in a very, very long time. The Specialist Games (Dreadfleet, BFG, Blood Bowl) would do well if GW would actually support them... but they don't, so they don't.