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Pregnant woman challenges pro-lifers to pay her $1 million in 72 hours or else she terminates her baby.



http://www.prolifeantiwoman.com/


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Just to add, I actually like this. I would pay no money even if I was anti-abortion, as I do not know if this is just a sham. Hopefully we'll see some evidence that she's telling the truth. But assuming she is, this is a great way to test what the pro-lifers actually care about - life or control.

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I find it hard to see how receiving exactly 1 million dollars has anything to do with the abortion, especially considering that the child will be given for adoption.
   
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So she's using her unborn child as blackmail material?

Yeah, good thing we do have psychological councelling.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
So she's using her unborn child as blackmail material?

Yeah, good thing we do have psychological councelling.


If it is a scam, it is terrible.

I can't know, but I do not think it is. It sounds plausible. If it isn't a scam, then it isn't actually blackmail at all. Abortion is not murder, not after 7 weeks on pregnancy. In the eyes of the law, it's as close to murder as not becoming pregnant at all is.

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Glad you made that edit, was about to reply to the previous post

Even if it is not a scam - what does this tell us about the woman in question? She is unwantingly pregnant and now stages this to push a message?

An abortion should be a difficult decision to make. A decision made on careful, rational thinking. This action just shouts something else.

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Given that the abortion is scheduled, it seems the decision is made.

Both you, I and she knows that she won't get one million dollars.

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On the one hand...I do hope she doesn't and that people look into this case.

On the other hand...people get thousands of dollars for their potato salad recipe.

   
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While staying anonymous keeps her safe from hate campaigns and real life threats, it also means a lot of people who would otherwise have paid won't do so because there is no credibility.

A difficult choice.

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Not difficult in the slightest.

Ignore this person and don't give them a platform.

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That post doesn't do her well. Not at all. She got unwillingly pregnant (and let's put the rape case aside because I assume that there's special clauses for rape abortions), she doesn't understand for why there's a waiting period and no "drive in" abortions and she then starts that highly questionable "auction", objectifying her unborn child, instrumentalizing it for her purposes.

I don't need CSI to get a basic psychological profile going for her...and it's not pretty.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
she doesn't understand for why there's a waiting period and no "drive in" abortions


From the text, she doesn't seem to have a problem with waiting, she just thinks it's too long.

and she then starts that highly questionable "auction", objectifying her unborn child, instrumentalizing it for her purposes.


But it isn't actually a child yet.

If it had been she'd be convicted as a murderer.

This is more like 'pay me a million or I won't get knocked up.'

Well, in terms of morals, anyway.

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It is an interesting social experiment, certainly.

   
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This sounds dangerously close to extortion.

 
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
she doesn't understand for why there's a waiting period and no "drive in" abortions


From the text, she doesn't seem to have a problem with waiting, she just thinks it's too long.


I can hardly take anyone seriously who thinks that 72 hours is too long to determine whether you would have a baby or murder an unborn child.

But it isn't actually a child yet.


Let's not get into this here and say that legally, it's not murder and personally, I consider it murder. Let's keep it at that

She just sounds like an irresponsible, frustrated teenager stuck in the body of a 26 years old. If she's honest about her age.

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Sigvatr, I cannot agree with your judgment or labeling because I do not consider this murder. The law agrees, which is enough for me.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
This sounds dangerously close to extortion.


Would 'give me one million or I won't get knocked up' be extortion?

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She already got knocked up. She is pregnant, after all.

   
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Indeed. But in practice, what's the difference? It's been 7 weeks. There is no actual child there for her to threaten, not yet.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
Would 'give me one million or I won't get knocked up' be extortion?

Immaterial to the matter at hand. This lady is already "knocked up" to borrow your vernacular and is praying on the beliefs of people to obtain a financial benefit for the child (as pro-lifers will see it) that she claims that she does not wish to have.

 
   
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Are you arguing that there's no difference between never having been pregnant and having an abortion?

Even letting morals aside, there's lots of difference, even on very basic levels.

   
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I saw the thread title and quite liked the idea of some sort of service or site where pregnant women who were considering bringing the unborn (is that a neutral term or not? I was trying to find one and that was the best I could do) to term but financial difficulties were an obstruction could find people who were willing to put their money where their mouth was on abortion to save more lives together.


Then I read the OP.


It seems to me that those who believe there is no moral dilemma to abortion are having a go at those who do. Sort of a guilty pleasure. It's not terribly endearing.
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
Sigvatr, I cannot agree with your judgment or labeling because I do not consider this murder. The law agrees, which is enough for me.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
This sounds dangerously close to extortion.


Would 'give me one million or I won't get knocked up' be extortion?



Laws throughout history have made murder not murder. Just because a subjective legal definition says something don't make it true. As a farmer I'm well aware of the detail of pregnancy and conception. Sanitising murder doesn't make it right just because it doesn't feel like it.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
Are you arguing that there's no difference between never having been pregnant and having an abortion?

Even letting morals aside, there's lots of difference, even on very basic levels.


No difference that is relevant for this thread.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Immaterial to the matter at hand. This lady is already "knocked up" to borrow your vernacular and is praying on the beliefs of people to obtain a financial benefit for the child (as pro-lifers will see it) that she claims that she does not wish to have.


Seems like it's to gauge how much people really care about life. If they do care, then she is willing to stick through the whole pregnancy and give it away for adoption afterwards (and also disproves her concern that pro-lifers want control, not life). If not, she goes for abortion as planned.

What is actually at risk here? What is the worst that could happen? She was going to do the abortion anyway.

As said, she could be a fraud (in which case I will be the first to condemn her) but I do not think she is, and if she is not...


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Knockagh wrote:
Laws throughout history have made murder not murder. Just because a subjective legal definition says something don't make it true. As a farmer I'm well aware of the detail of pregnancy and conception. Sanitising murder doesn't make it right just because it doesn't feel like it.


I can see no murder involved here.

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Knockagh wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
Sigvatr, I cannot agree with your judgment or labeling because I do not consider this murder. The law agrees, which is enough for me.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
This sounds dangerously close to extortion.


Would 'give me one million or I won't get knocked up' be extortion?



Laws throughout history have made murder not murder. Just because a subjective legal definition says something don't make it true. As a farmer I'm well aware of the detail of pregnancy and conception. Sanitising murder doesn't make it right just because it doesn't feel like it.


Isn't murder the killing of another human, so at what point when the sperm hits the egg is it considered a human to you?
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
Are you arguing that there's no difference between never having been pregnant and having an abortion?

Even letting morals aside, there's lots of difference, even on very basic levels.


No difference that is relevant for this thread.


An extremely relevant actually. It's the "throw away" mentality behind it. That girl in the OP would love to just casually drop by at the doctor the same afternoon and get her uterus all-new and shiny. If you don't see a problem with having such an attitude...well...

   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
An extremely relevant actually. It's the "throw away" mentality behind it. That girl in the OP would love to just casually drop by at the doctor the same afternoon and get her uterus all-new and shiny. If you don't see a problem with having such an attitude...well...


Quote where in the text she said that abortion wait should be instant.

I dare you.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
An extremely relevant actually. It's the "throw away" mentality behind it. That girl in the OP would love to just casually drop by at the doctor the same afternoon and get her uterus all-new and shiny. If you don't see a problem with having such an attitude...well...


Quote where in the text she said that abortion wait should be instant.

I dare you.


Noticing the lack of familiarity with hyperboles. Dodgy. As stated above: she considers a 3 days wait too long. That's already telling enough. Add in the other stuff...I already stated...and you get the mindset of an irresponsible teenager.

   
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 Sigvatr wrote:

Noticing the lack of familiarity with hyperboles. Dodgy. As stated above: she considers a 3 days wait too long. That's already telling enough. Add in the other stuff...I already stated...and you get the mindset of an irresponsible teenager.


No, I do not think it does at all.

What, to you, is long enough time?

Is not 24 hours enough to really think over it? It would be a third of the time.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Immaterial to the matter at hand. This lady is already "knocked up" to borrow your vernacular and is praying on the beliefs of people to obtain a financial benefit for the child (as pro-lifers will see it) that she claims that she does not wish to have.


Seems like it's to gauge how much people really care about life. If they do care, then she is willing to stick through the whole pregnancy and give it away for adoption afterwards (and also disproves her concern that pro-lifers want control, not life). If not, she goes for abortion as planned.

What is actually at risk here? What is the worst that could happen? She was going to do the abortion anyway.

As said, she could be a fraud (in which case I will be the first to condemn her) but I do not think she is, and if she is not...

That she is using the beliefs of people that she disagrees with to extort money from them under the threat that if they do not pay her the requested sum then she will have the abortion, that it is their fault, and by extension that they are hypocrites. The irony may be lost here, but the person with control is her. If person X is pro-life, but from a low socio-economic class and can only donate a small amount that is largely outside that person's control as X has done everything within their power to act in accordance with their beliefs but if others do not then the net result is the same as if X did not act.

This is just a pathetic stunt.

 
   
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You're giving way too much weight to accusations.

Actually, this more seems like she is giving people a chance to disprove her own opinions rather than to prove them.

After all, as said above, anonymousness means that it's entirely possible people won't pay because they can't know if she's a fraud, so everyone knows that not reaching the goal will prove little. But reaching the goal on the other hand, will prove a lot.

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Much as some may disagree. As its legal, and can be done in the open, by a doctor it keeps desperate women out of some back alley clinic that could kill you, main you or do un told damge to the human body.

It in a odd way saves lives and stops criminals gaining a while new income stream

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