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If his invulns are hot then all that haywire means jack. And devourors fish for 6's, shooting the one is actually terrible if he doesn't get rear armor. If he rolls objectives on maelstrom each turn and so does Jim then he will actually go ahead on secondary Then their is the case top be made that a fire raptor can theoretically ground four flyrants on the turn it arrives

I route for underdogs and always find myself wanting the arrogant guy to get a lesson in dice so despite agreeing with much of what Jim has said I kind of hope this game blows up a little

 jy2 wrote:


With that army, there isn't many decisions to make....just rush forwards and charge!


Even before the tournament, here are my thoughts on Daemonkin....they aren't competitive. And I say that as someone who runs Daemonkin also. So why aren't they competitive in my opinion? First of all, they are a 1-dimensional army based just on assault. They've got no shooting. But there are assault armies out there that do well. For instance, daemons. However, what sets Daemons apart from Daemonkin? The layers and layers of power-stacking. Daemons have the Grimoire and tons of psychic buffs as well as Daemonic Gifts to make their assault units resilient enough to make it into combat and then to also survive in combat. Daemonkin? Nothing, other than FNP from the Blood table. At least with my Daemonkin, I bring in Daemons to help with their Resiliency (Be'lakor and a Grimoire D-thirster). Jon didn't have any of that in his army. It was just mainly a somewhat fluffy Khorne army that wasn't built on power-stacking shenanigans.

The simpler the plan the less likely you are to screw it up. When you are an assault army that throws haymakers you only need one to connect to do some serious damage.

I like to think all of 1-Dimensional assault army players know exactly what it’s going to be like when we jump into a tournament. There’s something satisfying about walking up to the table with your army and your opponent knows exactly what your assault army is going to do yet is powerless to stop it. Of course playing against enough Nid players in my group I know just how annoying playing against a flyer heavy list is, but just have to get your objectives and kill anything that’s on the ground and fingers cross for some good saving rolls.

PS. You're on game 5 now in the game header, just a heads up. Look forward to seeing it play out.

 Aijec wrote:
Ya! That would be awesome.

He is undefeated for a reason...

And without any tricks up his sleeves!

 Red Corsair wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
A good army has the flexibility to go 1st or 2nd. However, it is indisputable that in the ITC format, there is an inherent advantage for most armies going 2nd. Really, whoever went 2nd in this game, whether Alan or me, had an inherent advantage, never mind the army. This goes beyond the army.

Which has been my major complaint with ITC missions for some time along with a lack of alternating maelstrom from secondary to primary between matches. For some reason however, that major weakness in the otherwise solid system remains. It really baffles me considering the strongest balancing factor maelstrom brought with it was eliminating the strong advantage second turn gives in traditional bottom of turn scoring (whether end of game or turn) especially to FMC armies.

The only change I would prefer is that Maelstrom objectives be scored at the end of each player turn.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Not a knock against Jim but he seems to often rely upon going second like back in the day when he rocked Cronz... like I said a lot of it is psychological .

It's not me. It's the inherent "fault" in the system.

Just like if you're driving during traffic time and you have a friend in your car. You can choose not to use the carpool lane, but any "normal" person(s) who are trying to get to their destination on time will use it. You can't really fault them for doing so.

DorianGray wrote:
Khorne is the most boring uninteresting chaos God. Destroy him!

Ironically, Khorne is my 2nd favorite god (behind the spell-casting God). There's just something about wanton destruction without care for strategy or one's own safety that appeals to me. It's a good contrast to the other armies that I normally play.

 The Shrike wrote:
Just an opinion, but sometimes rolling with a pure RPS list can have as much success as taking a TAC list. I'm actually not sure if the latter even exists anymore.

He took a strong bullrush list; and unfortunately he hit the paper to his rock. But, that may not have been the case. He could have gotten lucky...

I feel the same way, which is why I brought a RPS Tyranid in the first place. There's just no way you can have TAC army that can deal with all the competitive armies currently, so I thought to myself, why the heck bother trying? I'll just bring an extreme build myself and watch amusingly how others deal with my army.

 Red Corsair wrote:
If his invulns are hot then all that haywire means jack. And devourors fish for 6's, shooting the one is actually terrible if he doesn't get rear armor. If he rolls objectives on maelstrom each turn and so does Jim then he will actually go ahead on secondary Then their is the case top be made that a fire raptor can theoretically ground four flyrants on the turn it arrives

I route for underdogs and always find myself wanting the arrogant guy to get a lesson in dice so despite agreeing with much of what Jim has said I kind of hope this game blows up a little

Yeah, things could get "dicey" if he starts making his Invuln saves. Also, I always fear that the Maelstrom will give me crap objectives....but that is in every game, not just this one.

I also like to root for the underdog. In this case, I was actually rooting for my Jon in my heart, while at the same time, strategizing on how best to annihilate his army in my mind.




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 Panzer1944 wrote:

The simpler the plan the less likely you are to screw it up. When you are an assault army that throws haymakers you only need one to connect to do some serious damage.

I like to think all of 1-Dimensional assault army players know exactly what it’s going to be like when we jump into a tournament. There’s something satisfying about walking up to the table with your army and your opponent knows exactly what your assault army is going to do yet is powerless to stop it. Of course playing against enough Nid players in my group I know just how annoying playing against a flyer heavy list is, but just have to get your objectives and kill anything that’s on the ground and fingers cross for some good saving rolls.

PS. You're on game 5 now in the game header, just a heads up. Look forward to seeing it play out.

That is true. You (as in the players running pure assault armies) know you have bad matchups, and yet you still opt to jump into the ocean (tournament) with a devil-may-care attitude and hope for the best. That is something to be admired.

At the same time, these players aren't really looking to win tournaments. I think their persona is to just go to a tournament, roll dice and, whether they table someone or get tabled themselves, just have fun. They love their assault armies and will stick with it through thick and thin and despite what everyone else says.

And thanks for the heads up, I will change my header.

Really enjoyable rep series and commentary. Very exciting to read.

I am looking forward to the report. I am glad you enjoyed our game as much as I did.

Though truth be told I did a mental face palm as I walked up to the table and saw another flyrant list. My round four opponent was rocking four flyrants and a Barbed Hierodule!!

That game put my faith in Khorne to the test. My table-neighbor looked at the match up and said "Here you're going to need these more than I will" and handed me a bag of Jello shots. They must have pleased Khorne because I walked out 11-2.

Now looking at another list with MORE tyrants and MORE mawlocks, I said to myself. "Oh well looks like it's time for another beer. It'll take the sting out of this. LOL"

Yea that is rough playing the same build in back to back games. I think in my last couple tournaments I have played space marines in 95% of my games lol. Even when they are not the most dominant faction lol.

I hope you poured a shot for your homie (Khorne) before the game started

 Prophet40k wrote:
I am looking forward to the report. I am glad you enjoyed our game as much as I did.

Though truth be told I did a mental face palm as I walked up to the table and saw another flyrant list. My round four opponent was rocking four flyrants and a Barbed Hierodule!!

That game put my faith in Khorne to the test. My table-neighbor looked at the match up and said "Here you're going to need these more than I will" and handed me a bag of Jello shots. They must have pleased Khorne because I walked out 11-2.

Now looking at another list with MORE tyrants and MORE mawlocks, I said to myself. "Oh well looks like it's time for another beer. It'll take the sting out of this. LOL"

Thanks for the game, Jon, and thanks for your commentary as well.

I will include them into our report.

Game #5 completed on p. 4.

Ha ha, I had a feeling. Never underestimate a "simple" strategy when its undefeated. Methinks Jon is a coy fellow

GG Jon!

Well played Jon - very well played !

That was awesome.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Ha ha, I had a feeling. Never underestimate a "simple" strategy when its undefeated. Methinks Jon is a coy fellow

GG Jon!

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

Haha....j.k.!

 jy2 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Ha ha, I had a feeling. Never underestimate a "simple" strategy when its undefeated. Methinks Jon is a coy fellow

GG Jon!

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

Haha....j.k.!

*Looks at beer closer*

*Peals off loose label revealing second label...*

"O'Doules!"

"Well played good sir, well played!"

I'd especially like to thank Jon for ruining my hopes and dreams and for bribing me with beers, trying to get me drunk and then cheating and drinking his way to victory.

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

HAHA! I love it. I have been playing chaos for about as long as I can remember and guile and deception are huge factors in chaos battle plans.

Or It could be that I just enjoy the hobby , winning or losing doesn't really matter to me as long as both players are having fun. That attitude fits well with a Khorne list, if the patron god of my army doesn't care who dies, why should I?

I'd like to thank you for being such a great sportsman, all of my opponents at the BAO were great guys as a matter of fact. You have to walk a fine line when you bring brutal lists like ours, on one hand you want to win by the largest possible margin. On the other hand you have to make sure that both sides are enjoying the game. I have played far too many people lately that are only concerned about the check in the W column, they forget that we are playing a game that has more than one player. I know we have only played once but it was a game to remember that's for sure. You went out of your way to make sure I knew what was going on with dice rolls and rules explanations. Your army was beautiful, there was so much love put into the painting and conversions. it was truly a pleasure to face. I hope I face more players like you and the others I met at the BAO.

Jim, Great battle reports. Super entertaining and informative. I had an absolute blast at the BAO, I am looking forward to seeing you again at the LVO.

Budget and scheduling allowing I'll be there with a newer improved version of "Bloodied Iron".


Thanks for all the positive comments!

Blood For the Blood GOD!!!!
Praise Khorne!!!

 Prophet40k wrote:

I'd especially like to thank Jon for ruining my hopes and dreams and for bribing me with beers, trying to get me drunk and then cheating and drinking his way to victory.

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

HAHA! I love it. I have been playing chaos for about as long as I can remember and guile and deception are huge factors in chaos battle plans.

Or It could be that I just enjoy the hobby , winning or losing doesn't really matter to me as long as both players are having fun. That attitude fits well with a Khorne list, if the patron god of my army doesn't care who dies, why should I?

I'd like to thank you for being such a great sportsman, all of my opponents at the BAO were great guys as a matter of fact. You have to walk a fine line when you bring brutal lists like ours, on one hand you want to win by the largest possible margin. On the other hand you have to make sure that both sides are enjoying the game. I have played far too many people lately that are only concerned about the check in the W column, they forget that we are playing a game that has more than one player. I know we have only played once but it was a game to remember that's for sure. You went out of your way to make sure I knew what was going on with dice rolls and rules explanations. Your army was beautiful, there was so much love put into the painting and conversions. it was truly a pleasure to face. I hope I face more players like you and the others I met at the BAO.

Jim, Great battle reports. Super entertaining and informative. I had an absolute blast at the BAO, I am looking forward to seeing you again at the LVO.

Budget and scheduling allowing I'll be there with a newer improved version of "Bloodied Iron".


Thanks for all the positive comments!

Blood For the Blood GOD!!!!
Praise Khorne!!!

Thanks for the game, Jon, and also thanks for contributing to my report. It's refreshing IMO for the readers to also get the viewpoint of my opponents.

You taught me a thing or two, like how nasty the fire raptor could be and how I should bring a cooler of beer to my next GT (gotta steal that idea from you).

Next time we meet, I'll bring the beer. Cheers!

Does the Raptor still get skyfire after it hovers?

Eldercaveman wrote:
Does the Raptor still get skyfire after it hovers?

No because its a Fast Skimmer and not a Flyer while hovering

I'm just curious how it managed to drop a tyrant whilst snap firing, assuming he jinked as well?

Eldercaveman wrote:
I'm just curious how it managed to drop a tyrant whilst snap firing, assuming he jinked as well?

My flyrant was on the ground as well. I put him in glide mode in order to turn him around. My opponent then did the same thing with his flyer.

I never shot at his flyer so he never jinked.

 Prophet40k wrote:

I'd especially like to thank Jon for ruining my hopes and dreams and for bribing me with beers, trying to get me drunk and then cheating and drinking his way to victory.

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

HAHA! I love it. I have been playing chaos for about as long as I can remember and guile and deception are huge factors in chaos battle plans.

Or It could be that I just enjoy the hobby , winning or losing doesn't really matter to me as long as both players are having fun. That attitude fits well with a Khorne list, if the patron god of my army doesn't care who dies, why should I?

I'd like to thank you for being such a great sportsman, all of my opponents at the BAO were great guys as a matter of fact. You have to walk a fine line when you bring brutal lists like ours, on one hand you want to win by the largest possible margin. On the other hand you have to make sure that both sides are enjoying the game. I have played far too many people lately that are only concerned about the check in the W column, they forget that we are playing a game that has more than one player. I know we have only played once but it was a game to remember that's for sure. You went out of your way to make sure I knew what was going on with dice rolls and rules explanations. Your army was beautiful, there was so much love put into the painting and conversions. it was truly a pleasure to face. I hope I face more players like you and the others I met at the BAO.

Jim, Great battle reports. Super entertaining and informative. I had an absolute blast at the BAO, I am looking forward to seeing you again at the LVO.

Budget and scheduling allowing I'll be there with a newer improved version of "Bloodied Iron".


Thanks for all the positive comments!

Blood For the Blood GOD!!!!
Praise Khorne!!!

You and your god damn 5++ saves...

 jy2 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
I'm just curious how it managed to drop a tyrant whilst snap firing, assuming he jinked as well?

My flyrant was on the ground as well. I put him in glide mode in order to turn him around. My opponent then did the same thing with his flyer.

I never shot at his flyer so he never jinked.

Ah makes more sense now.

deathmagiks wrote:

 Prophet40k wrote:

Spoiler:

I'd especially like to thank Jon for ruining my hopes and dreams and for bribing me with beers, trying to get me drunk and then cheating and drinking his way to victory.

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

HAHA! I love it. I have been playing chaos for about as long as I can remember and guile and deception are huge factors in chaos battle plans.

Or It could be that I just enjoy the hobby , winning or losing doesn't really matter to me as long as both players are having fun. That attitude fits well with a Khorne list, if the patron god of my army doesn't care who dies, why should I?

I'd like to thank you for being such a great sportsman, all of my opponents at the BAO were great guys as a matter of fact. You have to walk a fine line when you bring brutal lists like ours, on one hand you want to win by the largest possible margin. On the other hand you have to make sure that both sides are enjoying the game. I have played far too many people lately that are only concerned about the check in the W column, they forget that we are playing a game that has more than one player. I know we have only played once but it was a game to remember that's for sure. You went out of your way to make sure I knew what was going on with dice rolls and rules explanations. Your army was beautiful, there was so much love put into the painting and conversions. it was truly a pleasure to face. I hope I face more players like you and the others I met at the BAO.

Jim, Great battle reports. Super entertaining and informative. I had an absolute blast at the BAO, I am looking forward to seeing you again at the LVO.

Budget and scheduling allowing I'll be there with a newer improved version of "Bloodied Iron".


Thanks for all the positive comments!

Blood For the Blood GOD!!!!
Praise Khorne!!!

You and your god damn 5++ saves...

I take it you know Jon?

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
I'm just curious how it managed to drop a tyrant whilst snap firing, assuming he jinked as well?

My flyrant was on the ground as well. I put him in glide mode in order to turn him around. My opponent then did the same thing with his flyer.

I never shot at his flyer so he never jinked.

Ah makes more sense now.

Yeah, it was one of my bigger mistakes in the game. I forgot about his VSG. Should have just flown my flyrant off the table instead. Then he could have came in on the right flank to deal with those crushers and maulerfiend as well.

You got out hustled .

Fabulous reports Jim, thanks for sharing and adding in your valuable tactical insights.

That last game was definitely my favourite, between the armies, personalities, and result -- quite unexpected!

Really look forward to more batreps, and hopefully more daemonkin too haha.

Maybe see you at TSHFT this month?

Cheers
Ibushi

 jy2 wrote:

deathmagiks wrote:

 Prophet40k wrote:

Spoiler:

I'd especially like to thank Jon for ruining my hopes and dreams and for bribing me with beers, trying to get me drunk and then cheating and drinking his way to victory.

I think I've just been bamboozled. His drinking was probably just a smokescreen for his superior, strategical intellect.

Either that or a form of self-handicap so he wouldn't blow us kiddies out of the water.

HAHA! I love it. I have been playing chaos for about as long as I can remember and guile and deception are huge factors in chaos battle plans.

Or It could be that I just enjoy the hobby , winning or losing doesn't really matter to me as long as both players are having fun. That attitude fits well with a Khorne list, if the patron god of my army doesn't care who dies, why should I?

I'd like to thank you for being such a great sportsman, all of my opponents at the BAO were great guys as a matter of fact. You have to walk a fine line when you bring brutal lists like ours, on one hand you want to win by the largest possible margin. On the other hand you have to make sure that both sides are enjoying the game. I have played far too many people lately that are only concerned about the check in the W column, they forget that we are playing a game that has more than one player. I know we have only played once but it was a game to remember that's for sure. You went out of your way to make sure I knew what was going on with dice rolls and rules explanations. Your army was beautiful, there was so much love put into the painting and conversions. it was truly a pleasure to face. I hope I face more players like you and the others I met at the BAO.

Jim, Great battle reports. Super entertaining and informative. I had an absolute blast at the BAO, I am looking forward to seeing you again at the LVO.

Budget and scheduling allowing I'll be there with a newer improved version of "Bloodied Iron".


Thanks for all the positive comments!

Blood For the Blood GOD!!!!
Praise Khorne!!!

You and your god damn 5++ saves...

I take it you know Jon?

Yeah he and I used to play at his place in San Diego all the time. One of my favorite opponents and someone who I wouldn't hesitate to call a friend. But those damn 5++ saves of his are like his drinking: Shouldn't. Be. Possible.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
You got out hustled .

Sometimes you look at a cute, kitty cat and you think he is all harmless and stuff. But what you don't see are his sharp, sharp claws, his cat-like reflexes and his killer instincts.

 ibushi wrote:
Fabulous reports Jim, thanks for sharing and adding in your valuable tactical insights.

That last game was definitely my favourite, between the armies, personalities, and result -- quite unexpected!

Really look forward to more batreps, and hopefully more daemonkin too haha.

Maybe see you at TSHFT this month?

Cheers
Ibushi

Thanks!

Yeah, the last game was great and also a bit of a surprise. Now not counting generalship (I had no idea what the skill level of my opponent was), I just didn't think his army had the tools to beat mine. But as a Daemonkin player myself, it's good to know that such an army can compete against even the more hardcore armies like mine.

I won't be going to TSHFT this month (taking vacation time for NOVA), but I do plan on going to TSHFT early next year.

deathmagiks wrote:
Yeah he and I used to play at his place in San Diego all the time. One of my favorite opponents and someone who I wouldn't hesitate to call a friend. But those damn 5++ saves of his are like his drinking: Shouldn't. Be. Possible.

Awesome. Even though he's gone to the Midwest, you're lucky down in SD. There's no shortage of good players there, including the guys from Frontline Gaming and many, many others.

Hi!
I play both tyranids and KD so I really enjoyed last report.

@Jy2: thanks for all of them!

@prophet: you played a slaughtercult and a charnel cohort?

You're welcome.

Prophet40K didn't run the charnel cohort. He ran the Slaughtercult and a Chaos Space Marine CAD.

Are you getting paid by the forge world people to advertise Fire Raptors? Shoot I think I'll buy two. Cheaper (points wise) than a tooled command squad and master, and way more vicious on the table.

Haha! I wish. Heck, they should give me free models for advertising their products here.