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New terrain looks out of this world!

 Grot 6 wrote:
Anyone play this game yet?

How exactly do you use your standing armies in it?

Warscrolls for all existing factions and units are available (for free) on the website.

Be prepared to rage slightly at the "hilarious" special rules they've foisted on old armies, while playing the rules for new models with a straight bat.

@ Grot6 Pretty much what Azrael said. If you want points as some sort of guideline to use by far the best formula I have seen thus far is available in this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655717.page

Summoning may still be an issue though. Failing that it appears to be "place what you want on the gaming table and go from there".

Interesting that they sat on some of the terrain for so long before releasing it. I would have bought an Ophidian Archway yesterday but my local GW still had a Deathknell Watch on the shelves so I snaffled it up.

On the subject of Warhammer scenery IIRC the likes of the Magewrath Throne and Dreadfire Portal were sold out/no longer available. They are back in stock now:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?N=102295+4294965636&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat

There's hope for the Gardens of Morr yet then :-)

On the subject of Warhammer scenery IIRC the likes of the Magewrath Throne and Dreadfire Portal were sold out/no longer available. They are back in stock now:

To be honest, I haven't seen them gone. But "Walls and fences" were gone for sure. And now they're back

There's hope for the Gardens of Morr yet then :-)

And "Lair of the Astromancer", and "Fortified Manor", and "Chapel" and "Watchtower"...

RoninXiC wrote:
Wow the paintings are sooooo baaaad. And 10 of the same cheap painting next to each other? wow.

Yeah, what the hell is the purpose? Arent they identical (on phone, hard to tell)?

I don't get why people are so upset about the paintings. It been literally the same thing in the recent 40k codices and nobody says a word about it. AoS does it, and everyone loses their minds. People are just looking for things to hate about this game and it's really annoying.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I don't get why people are so upset about the paintings. It been literally the same thing in the recent 40k codices and nobody says a word about it. AoS does it, and everyone loses their minds. People are just looking for things to hate about this game and it's really annoying.

No, people (me included) have said about it in the 40k codexes too. They're crap in the 40k stuff too, them being there doesn't make them good.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I don't get why people are so upset about the paintings. It been literally the same thing in the recent 40k codices and nobody says a word about it. AoS does it, and everyone loses their minds. People are just looking for things to hate about this game and it's really annoying.

Wow, hyperbole much, firstly, a few people isn't "everybody", secondly, I'm pretty sure we've had at least 1 thread related to how crap the same style art is in the 40k codices too.

They were in the WHFB 8th Rulebook too.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I don't get why people are so upset about the paintings. It been literally the same thing in the recent 40k codices and nobody says a word about it. AoS does it, and everyone loses their minds. People are just looking for things to hate about this game and it's really annoying.

What's so great about the same couple of spotters-guide line drawing jpegs, copied and pasted several times across a bunch of premium-priced pages, then?

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
If one of them is mortally wounded, their remains get revived by Sigmar's powers and the broken shell is put into a huge...steam-and-magic driven golem so that despite having their body broken, they can fight on and inspire their batte brothers.

... Ok, the moment they release Steampunk Dreadnoughts is the moment my wallet weeps.

You mean sort of like the entire premise behind warmachine, that kind of steampunk dreadnought :p?

You can say what you want about the game itself but the terrain pieces are all awesome!

number9dream wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
If one of them is mortally wounded, their remains get revived by Sigmar's powers and the broken shell is put into a huge...steam-and-magic driven golem so that despite having their body broken, they can fight on and inspire their batte brothers.

... Ok, the moment they release Steampunk Dreadnoughts is the moment my wallet weeps.

You mean sort of like the entire premise behind warmachine, that kind of steampunk dreadnought :p?

Yes like that, but with weapons that don't look like FFVII weapons having a bee sting allergy.

I don't really like those terrain pieces, though I can see what they were going for, they're just a bit too exaggerated for me.

My favourite WFB plastic terrain was the Watchtower and the Fortified Manor and the Chapel. Those were a bit cartoony too, but they were pretty usable on top of it.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I don't get why people are so upset about the paintings. It been literally the same thing in the recent 40k codices and nobody says a word about it. AoS does it, and everyone loses their minds. People are just looking for things to hate about this game and it's really annoying.

That's actually why I asked. The 40k ones were used to show different insignia etc (in a painfully superfluous manner but still). I can't make out any difference in these pics but it might just be because I'm on my phone.


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Demandread wrote:

number9dream wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
If one of them is mortally wounded, their remains get revived by Sigmar's powers and the broken shell is put into a huge...steam-and-magic driven golem so that despite having their body broken, they can fight on and inspire their batte brothers.

... Ok, the moment they release Steampunk Dreadnoughts is the moment my wallet weeps.

You mean sort of like the entire premise behind warmachine, that kind of steampunk dreadnought :p?

Yes like that, but with weapons that don't look like FFVII weapons having a bee sting allergy.

Hm. Judging by the current sigmarine line, I'm pretty sure a potential sigmarine dreadnought would render the PP ones positively modest in comparison.

I see what you're saying tho, not for everyone (I like both designs)

 Bottle wrote:
There's hope for the Gardens of Morr yet then :-)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad new but I doubt it will be back Had expressed my interest in the item when new stock came back in via their online shop a few weeks ago. Received an email to say it was back in stock but when I clicked into the site it was still unavailable etc. Got in touch with customer services and received the following reply about 2 weeks ago:

"Thank you for contacting us, and we are really sorry to inform you that this product is no longer available and there is no stock left of it.

For a technical mistake you have received an e-mail saying that the product was available, but the product is actually discontinued ( you can se the sentence stating No longer available in the product availability just under the "buy it button")."

I would love if they sporadically released some of the older discontinued stock on a shore term release basis but probably more trouble for them than it is worth at this stage.

number9dream wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
If one of them is mortally wounded, their remains get revived by Sigmar's powers and the broken shell is put into a huge...steam-and-magic driven golem so that despite having their body broken, they can fight on and inspire their batte brothers.

... Ok, the moment they release Steampunk Dreadnoughts is the moment my wallet weeps.

You mean sort of like the entire premise behind warmachine, that kind of steampunk dreadnought :p?

Thank you. At least somebody gets it. These ground marines are basically steampunk marines combining the dwemer from elder scrolls, warmachine, 40k and the knight archers from anor londo in dark souls 1. Not that the elder scrolls and dark souls bit is bad but they're going way over the top and the story is mostly bad.

Replacing slaanesh with the horned rat does seem to aim this more towards the kiddies though. I wonder if the horned rat will basically be the new chaos undivided. Not sure how i'd feel about a bunch of human warriors following the horned rat. I suppose it could look cool if done right. Perhaps cults start worshiping him and don similar horned headgear with red eyes and a pointed nose. I keep thinking of this like the darkspawn of dragon age. Basically corrupted humans and other factions. Here's to hoping they go the good route with it instead of the dumb one. As much as i hate skaven being declared chaos very specifically now it'd at least add more variety between this and 40k with the horned rat replacing slaanesh which is much needed after the ground marines ruined it.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Replacing slaanesh with the horned rat does seem to aim this more towards the kiddies though. I wonder if the horned rat will basically be the new chaos undivided. Not sure how i'd feel about a bunch of human warriors following the horned rat. I suppose it could look cool if done right. Perhaps cults start worshiping him and don similar horned headgear with red eyes and a pointed nose. I keep thinking of this like the darkspawn of dragon age. Basically corrupted humans and other factions. Here's to hoping they go the good route with it instead of the dumb one. As much as i hate skaven being declared chaos very specifically now it'd at least add more variety between this and 40k with the horned rat replacing slaanesh which is much needed after the ground marines ruined it.

Don't know that I'd be eager to see the shift, but rat-worshipping humans aren't new. There was a short fluff piece in the second Realms of Chaos book - The Lost and The Damned - that featured a cult of such in a human city.

Personally I find it dumb that Slaanesh is a singular enough entity to be kidnapped in the first place. I thought the chaos gods were emotions themselves, so kidnapping Slaanesh is the equivalent of kidnapping pleasure itself. At that point, does Pleasure just stop existing? (note that although Slaanesh was birthed into the material realm by the Elder in the 30th Millenium, from its perspective it ALWAYS existed, because Pleasure always exists)

Well, that's how the Chaos gods were portrayed previously but more and more GW seems to be moving away from that or something, apparently?

And the Horned Rat doesn't even correspond to any emotion in the first place! (at least, none that isn't already taken by the other Chaos Gods)

TiamatRoar wrote:
And the Horned Rat doesn't even correspond to any emotion in the first place! (at least, none that isn't already taken by the other Chaos Gods)

To bring up yet another unfortunate 40k analogy, the Horned Rat does seem to be a suitable stand in or even replacement for Malice. Although Nurgle and Tzeentch doubtless have an affinity for Skaven, the apparent cynicism and contempt that Skaven individuals have for each other and their own societies, let alone other races, is representative of a specific kind of hatred not present in the emotional spectrum of the big four Chaos gods. It's more like a fear-based thing, a proper xenophobic thing, rather than a kind of hatred related to rage, despair, manipulation or pleasure.

Still no replacement for Slaanesh, though. I choose to think that these Aelfs 'believe' to have captured her - a mark of stereotypical elven arrogance.

Or Slaanesh is very much enjoying being imprisoned, and will break free when they run out of crepes and new ideas to torment it.

"Replacing slaanesh with the horned rat does seem to aim this more towards the kiddies though."

yes because, backstabbing, mass murder, pestilence, lying, stealing and such is far more kids friendly than "excess"... I think they replaced slaanesh because the horny one is far better suited for a "constant war" themed game than someone who focuses on excess, Slaanesh makes sense as a god but I could never understand why he even bothered with war, war is not good for drugs, sex, excess and rock and roll... it never made sense why he would bother to have whole armies, horned one does... plus skaven outnumbered humans by A LOT surely the horned one would have been one of the main gods, or should have been a LONG time ago.

bitethythumb wrote:

"Replacing slaanesh with the horned rat does seem to aim this more towards the kiddies though."

yes because, backstabbing, mass murder, pestilence, lying, stealing and such is far more kids friendly than "excess"... I think they replaced slaanesh because the horny one is far better suited for a "constant war" themed game than someone who focuses on excess, Slaanesh makes sense as a god but I could never understand why he even bothered with war, war is not good for drugs, sex, excess and rock and roll... it never made sense why he would bother to have whole armies, horned one does... plus skaven outnumbered humans by A LOT surely the horned one would have been one of the main gods, or should have been a LONG time ago.

Excess of violence, pride in being a skilled soldier, not to mention the depraved sort of warcrimes that he surely finds amusing.
There's plenty of reasons why The god of depravity would indulge in warfare. War is just another form of entertainment, after all.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


Thank you. At least somebody gets it. These ground marines are basically steampunk marines combining the dwemer from elder scrolls, warmachine, 40k and the knight archers from anor londo in dark souls 1. Not that the elder scrolls and dark souls bit is bad but they're going way over the top and the story is mostly bad.

Eh I think they look more like the Looking Glass Knight from DS2 than the Silver Knights. Hell LGK even has lightning attacks.

bitethythumb wrote:

"Replacing slaanesh with the horned rat does seem to aim this more towards the kiddies though."

yes because, backstabbing, mass murder, pestilence, lying, stealing and such is far more kids friendly than "excess"... I think they replaced slaanesh because the horny one is far better suited for a "constant war" themed game than someone who focuses on excess, Slaanesh makes sense as a god but I could never understand why he even bothered with war, war is not good for drugs, sex, excess and rock and roll... it never made sense why he would bother to have whole armies, horned one does... plus skaven outnumbered humans by A LOT surely the horned one would have been one of the main gods, or should have been a LONG time ago.

Slaanesh's love of other things besides War was why Slaanesh actually opposed the End Times. But mechanics-wise, Slaanesh's love of grace and beauty and speed was the perfect fluff reason for Chaos to have its glass cannons. Without Slaanesh, you have Nurgle for durability, Tzeentch for magic and range, and Khorne for the jack-of-all-stats, and nothing for the speedy glass cannon. I mean, I guess Skaven could be glass cannons if they wanted to be but they're an entire separate faction with an entire array of various archetypes. I think it'd be kinda silly if we ended up having to mark our Chaos Warriors with "The Mark of the Horned Rat" if we felt like giving them +1 Initiative.

I could never understand why he even bothered with war, war is not good for drugs, sex, excess and rock and roll

Nope, nope, nope. Slaanesh is all about experiencing every sensation possible and war, bloodlust, (mortally) dangerous adventures are one of them. While hurr durr Khorne marches just for sake of slaughter, Slaanesh can go to war in the name of "adventure time". Hell, Sigvald even traversed the matereal world so he could get the helmet of Khorne, which he thought would infuse him with new, godlike "experiences". Stagnation, monotony (even if was continous orgy) would be dirrect opposites.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I don't get why people are so upset about the paintings. It been literally the same thing in the recent 40k codices and nobody says a word about it.

Uh, have you been living under a rock?

The cheap, crap-tier quality of the artwork and fluff in the 40K rulebooks since the tail-end of 6th to present are a frequent complaint.

TiamatRoar wrote:

bitethythumb wrote:

"Replacing slaanesh with the horned rat does seem to aim this more towards the kiddies though."

yes because, backstabbing, mass murder, pestilence, lying, stealing and such is far more kids friendly than "excess"... I think they replaced slaanesh because the horny one is far better suited for a "constant war" themed game than someone who focuses on excess, Slaanesh makes sense as a god but I could never understand why he even bothered with war, war is not good for drugs, sex, excess and rock and roll... it never made sense why he would bother to have whole armies, horned one does... plus skaven outnumbered humans by A LOT surely the horned one would have been one of the main gods, or should have been a LONG time ago.

Slaanesh's love of other things besides War was why Slaanesh actually opposed the End Times. But mechanics-wise, Slaanesh's love of grace and beauty and speed was the perfect fluff reason for Chaos to have its glass cannons. Without Slaanesh, you have Nurgle for durability, Tzeentch for magic and range, and Khorne for the jack-of-all-stats, and nothing for the speedy glass cannon. I mean, I guess Skaven could be glass cannons if they wanted to be but they're an entire separate faction with an entire array of various archetypes. I think it'd be kinda silly if we ended up having to mark our Chaos Warriors with "The Mark of the Horned Rat" if we felt like giving them +1 Initiative.

well slaanesh units are not gone, and the lore has not removed him, he is just no longer part of the main 4 (I guess) I mean we could all still be wrong about the logo itself, maybe he fused with a dark elf for all we still know.. its not like GW is stopping the production of daemonettes and I personally think that with AoS there will be far more options for glass canons now that its all about warscrolls, they could literally add any unit now and you can fit it around any army you want.

and rat servants have always been a big thing in GW...

bitethythumb wrote:
and rat servants have always been a big thing in GW...

Great now I need to make a Skaven Gutter Runner and his 4 Lizardman followers.