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Bit disappointed, thought it would have looked better with a bigger axe. I think the pose looks awkward to be honest. Could be well converted into an icon or standard bearer with the way the model is holding the axe.

 Talys wrote:
@C6 - I don't think anyone foresaw that one.

What a wonderful surprise for Chaos folks though I'm quite tempted to buy the model. I should resist, however -- I have like, 20 painted Chaos models out of 200+ that I own, including the new Bloodthirster, and I'm unlikely to chip away at that at any reasonable speed.

Anyone that bought the first big book knew it was coming. Infact there is a reason this guy is called exalted death bringer cos next to him are death bringer acoyltes.

There is also another character in that book called a slaughter priest and there's also something called a skull grinder

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
Bit disappointed, thought it would have looked better with a bigger axe. I think the pose looks awkward to be honest. Could be well converted into an icon or standard bearer with the way the model is holding the axe.

a bigger axe?

how much bigger could it be...

 NTRabbit wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Nice catch! Awesome reference by the sculptor.

Aside from the gentleman on the cover of the WD, any mention or pics or something of Armoured khorne infantry?

Still got Blood Warriors, Khorgoraths and whatnot to go yet.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Still got Blood Warriors, Khorgoraths and whatnot to go yet.

Blood warriors multi part kit, slaughter priest and skull grinder are all set. The khorgoroth multi part kit has had no mention what so ever or book pics or mentioned in the book. So I would say that is in the same place as the stormcast guys with wings and the command guys who have not been released yet either

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
Bit disappointed, thought it would have looked better with a bigger axe. I think the pose looks awkward to be honest. Could be well converted into an icon or standard bearer with the way the model is holding the axe.

That is a big axe. I'm thinking it might look a bit better if the axe was smaller...still it is nice to see some leaked photos of something other than sigmarines. I'm hoping for some new non-Khorne chaos stuff soon. Also, I'm super disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to sculpt some new plague monks...those plastics are getting a bit long in the tooth and need to be put down.

 Mymearan wrote:

Nice catch! Awesome reference by the sculptor.

Reference isn't the word I was going to use.

Doubt it was intentional. As for the new model - meh. It's basic standard modern GW, nothing special. And thats speaking as someone who once had a 9000 point pure Khorne fantasy army with a mix of 80s-00s models in it. Used to be right mad for the blood god, me. This models pretty dry but the style is what GW does now.

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Nice catch! Awesome reference by the sculptor.

Reference isn't the word I was going to use.

What was it? Don't know what you're getting at here. If it's not a reference and it only happens to be similarly posed, there's not much reason to compare. It's obviously much, much better sculpted.

 -Shrike- wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Sigmarines so much ruin it. They are just lame also don't fit imo.

Thank you for your opinion. However, could you now refrain from stating that opinion in this thread, given that it is (at this point) neither news, a rumour, or discussion of either? We really do understand that you don't like the Stormcast Eternals, and you're not the only person. However, unlike Yodhrin, for example, who eloquently explains every opinion he expresses, and actually makes people think (even though I rarely agree with what he says... ), you have simply told us that you dislike "sigmarines" many times, and seem unwilling to notice that GW is not currently releasing any more of said models.

I know I already answered your post but think reading faeit for laughs, I've just accidentaly found out why the sigmarines armour itself is off putting for me (and no not because I still cry because of whfb). It looks too much like a body of obese, big boned man - legs, chest plate, proportions it all reminds me of that. Obviously obese big boned people are not a problem for me in real life, have friends like that and don't give a crap but it doesn't seem to go well visualy with the idea of that ultra golem angel avenging ghost riding the lighting.

Otc there are more reasons that make me dislike sigmarines both visual and conceptual but no point in typing them here. There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on though and I think that's it. Guess you haven't heard that one yet heh.

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 Mymearan wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Nice catch! Awesome reference by the sculptor.

Reference isn't the word I was going to use.

What was it? Don't know what you're getting at here. If it's not a reference and it only happens to be similarly posed, there's not much reason to compare. It's obviously much, much better sculpted.

Copy. There's a bunch of sigmarine sculpts that are identical in pose to recent space marine sculpts, because they simply copied over the cad files and redid the details. Admittedly that old mini is far too old to have a cad file.

I would actually be way more impressed if they had 3D scanned Krell, fitted him to a skeleton in a sculpting program and sculpted this new Khorne guy on top of him

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Nice catch! Awesome reference by the sculptor.

Reference isn't the word I was going to use.

What was it? Don't know what you're getting at here. If it's not a reference and it only happens to be similarly posed, there's not much reason to compare. It's obviously much, much better sculpted.

Copy. There's a bunch of sigmarine sculpts that are identical in pose to recent space marine sculpts, because they simply copied over the cad files and redid the details. Admittedly that old mini is far too old to have a cad file.

If you don't have any actual source or evidence for that first statement, then I'm going to tell you that it's a load of crap. Given the program Games Workshop used to use to sculpt plastic models, there is no way they would ever waste time copying and (heavily) editing a CAD file which has subtly different proportions (length), different scale, and a completely different sculpt once the wireframe model (i.e. Humanoid figure) is established. It's just bs.
As for the second point, are you actually claiming that they dug up that mini (what is it, by the way, it's really annoying me! ) and decided that that icon/large weapon bearer pose would be perfect to copy for their new sculpt? Seriously? Or is it more likely that they just sculpted a model which had to have a (very) large axe and a smaller hand-held blade, and decided that this pose seemed like a good idea?

Obviously it's just a coincidence that the deathbringer looks like that old model. Neat coincidence, but still a coincidence. Apart from the pose and horns they dont look that much alike.

 -Shrike- wrote:
(what is it, by the way, it's really annoying me! )

The original Krell. Comparing it to the new Khorne dude shows us how spoiled we are these days with miniatures. That said the new Khorne guy does have stuff that instantly stand out as coolness breaking. The two handed weapon whilst holding two weapons has already been mentioned, but I also don't like the recycling of Abbaddon's top knot.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Obviously it's just a coincidence that the deathbringer looks like that old model. Neat coincidence, but still a coincidence. Apart from the pose and horns they dont look that much alike.

Really doubt it's a coincidence. The original Krell is a classic 90s sculpt and sculptors are as much hobby nerds as anyone that works in the industry.

Lots of models/ancient warriors that respected martial prowess had topknots... Also what if that weapon is a ranged weapon and has a place for the axe handle to fit into, allowing him to use it as a weighted grip on the end of his blade in close quarters? Perhaps it can shoot while he's holding it, making it useful in both ranged and close combat? The fluff could make it not stupid.

Also the abbadon model is pretty brutal. Haha i for one am glad to see a cool model with a topknot rather than a derpy one.

I'm not buying any fluff explanation to try and excuse the two hander and extra weapon thing. It looks daft, fluff can hang.

As to the top knot, it's not so much that the guy has one as many models have them. It's how closely it resembles Abaddon's. I appreciate there can only be so many designs on the same fashion statement, bu still...

Plus I grew up with that old mini. I'm always gonna have a soft spot for it, regardless of its comical failings.

I like the model personally, for me its at the very edge of suspension of disbelief. Just a tad more would put it into "that looks dumb" territory for me, so I can easily see how others have that exact opinion. I do share a dislike for having a weapon held by the other hand. It could easily have been sculpted to just strap to his left arm, allowing him to conceivably grab what is obviously a two-handed weapon. As for the topknot, it doesn't look like there would be any trouble cutting it off for people who don't like it, so that's pretty minor IMO.

All said, I don't think its $30 cool. Maybe $20.

So when's the release?

Henry

i understand, haha When i started the hobby I thought the old bloodthirster model was sweet. Now it looks terribly dated, but i still look at it with warm feelings.

Also it does look pretty unusable the way it's modeled. I was really grasping at straws for ways it could be functional. Haha that was the best i could come up with.

I guess i just like the overall aesthetic of the model enough to overlook the weapon fiasco. What if it had a holster or something for the weapon on it's hip that isn't being shown, kinda like a terminator having a ranged weapon and a thunder hammer? Would that redeem it at all for the folks who don't like the second weapon?


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Nvm, scratch that... Rechecked the model, no weapon holder on it's hip. First time i looked it was hidden by glare. It also doesnt look like a ranged weapon, and has a grip bar exactly where you would need to grip the axe... Kinda looks silly to me now too.

 -Shrike- wrote:

If you don't have any actual source or evidence for that first statement, then I'm going to tell you that it's a load of crap.

I can't be arsed digging up the photos from 40 pages back in a thread on another forum, but the chaos thing and the Helbrute, and a bunch of sigmarines and the recently CAD sculpted BA and DA characters are identically posed, not even possible to contend they're an homage like the two I already linked. Anyone who works in CAD will tell you how easy it is to do lazy things like that, even between the 28mm scale of 40k and the 32mm scale of sigmor. There are a bunch of other lazy sculpting tells on them too, like how they only look good from the front aspect, and have weird proportions and angles from other view points, like the square chaos buttocks, and the sigmarine longbow archers who can't actually see past their own shoulders to aim.

Yeah. Cool, but not 30 dollar cool. That's special resin figure territory, not injection molded plastic.

@Plumbumbarum: you know who looks obese???
Festus, or Gutrot, or the generic Nurgle Lord, just like they are supposed to...
Stormcast Eternals look like buff knights, just like they are supposed to...
i get that you don't like them, but you are really going a long way off track with your criticisms now...

@NTRabbit: i think it is a bit of a stretch to say that they just copied a Space Marine file, and then redid the details...
aside from the torso and head having a passing resemblance to the Sanguinary Guard, there is nothing that looks like Space Marine armor in the Stormcast Eternal design...
the legs and arms are completely different...
the helmets look different from the SG, in that they don't have sculpted hair on the back, but instead have a rounded back, with a strap, and a different halo style...
the chests are broader, with a completely different look to the SG...
the shoulder pads have a slightly different shape, different rims, and are inverted...
the legs are pure medieval armor styling, rather than the flared SM armor shape...
they are not even close to just being a tweaked file...

if you are going to compare them, i would say that Stormcast Eternals share a few of the Sanguinary Guard influences (Greek inspired death-mask/breastplate, and halo), but they look nothing like a stock Space Marine, to my eye...
even the three things that the SE share with the SG are styled completely differently...

the Khorne beast being in a similar pose to the Hellbrute from DV is pretty much the only thing i agree with...
all of the details, as well as the placement of the head are completely different...
then, of course, stylistically one is clearly a Sci-Fi model, and the other is clearly a Fantasy model...

cheers
jah

Let's focus on news and release.

Yes, please!

And fewer ellipses...


...would be nice too!

I also posted this in the FW thread but they've released AoS compendiums for Tamurkhan's Horde and the Legion of Azgorh alongside their new website

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/aos_warscrolls/warhammer-aos-tamurkhans-horde.pdf

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/aos_warscrolls/warhammer-aos-legion-of-azgorh.pdf