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sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:
This purge, weeks ago passed the point of ridiculousness:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/atlanta-naacp-chapter-calls-for-removal-massive-confederate-sculpture-in-public/

Purging history? LOL

You might as well argue that taking down the Berlin wall was purging history as well. That wall stood for 40 years, its their history and heritage. Given a few hundred more years it would have been as notable as the great wall of china. And America could of had a nice franchise of good German food at the Berlin wall buffet chains with a nice statue of Hitler to greet you.

But nope, Regan just had to go and purge history.

Sculpture vs. wall? It's entirely unsurprising to me that you are incapable of seeing the difference.

Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

The Iron Cross isn't a racist symbol, unlike the Swastika has become. Its a long standing German honorific. And fortunately it didn't get tainted like the Swastika did.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

The Iron Cross isn't a racist symbol, unlike the Swastika has become. Its a long standing German honorific. And fortunately it didn't get tainted like the Swastika did.

Ahh okay. Gotcha. Thanks!

It actually both preceded WW2, by about a hundred years, and succeeded it - it's still used, just without the swastika that was (relatively) briefly centered on it.

Also, Rommel is a great example with what D-USA said earlier, because it's difficult to claim a guy who refused orders to deport people to concentration camps and later participated in a plot to kill Hitler could be considered "glorifying Nazism". Honoring the man, not the ideology.

The Iron Cross is older than that actually I think. I believe it dates all the way back to the various Germanic knightly orders, if not directly than definitely its descended from that.

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

IIRC German law specifically forbids monuments to WWII-era soldiers and politicians but I'd heard that there was a push to create something for Rommel anyway...not sure how it ever ended up.

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

The one that I am aware of is the one where he killed himself to keep his family alive and protected. Of course he was also forced to kill himself by Hitler because he didnt follow orders to kill Jews and was linked to the assassination attempt agains Hitler.

The Iron Cross is another interesting symbol since it has a long connection to the German military before and after WW2, and the one on the memorial (as well as his grave) is a plain iron cross. I think the only "bad" iron cross is the one with the swastika on it, and soldiers who were issued the iron cross during WW2 were allowed to trade them in for non-nazi versions.

Rommel is a great example of soldiers not necessarily agreeing with the ideology of their countries leadership and how a Rommel the "Good German" doesn't make flying the swastika okay.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

The Iron Cross isn't a racist symbol, unlike the Swastika has become. Its a long standing German honorific. And fortunately it didn't get tainted like the Swastika did.

Not strictly true. White supremacists, and white prison gangs, use the Iron Cross and the Swastika.

That is the reason I chose NOT to make a t-shirt with the Black Templars logo to wear at game stores and conventions, sadly.

I could see memorials to CSA dead. Thats actually an excellent demarkation-troops vs. officers.

 kronk wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

The Iron Cross isn't a racist symbol, unlike the Swastika has become. Its a long standing German honorific. And fortunately it didn't get tainted like the Swastika did.

Not strictly true. White supremacists, and white prison gangs, use the Iron Cross and the Swastika.

Yes, but they usually use the Iron Cross as an alternative to the Swastika in an attempt to conceal themselves, not very well usually.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Isn't there a memorial to Rommel with the Iron Cross on it?

The Iron Cross isn't a racist symbol, unlike the Swastika has become. Its a long standing German honorific. And fortunately it didn't get tainted like the Swastika did.

Not strictly true. White supremacists, and white prison gangs, use the Iron Cross and the Swastika.

Yes, but they usually use the Iron Cross as an alternative to the Swastika in an attempt to conceal themselves, not very well usually.

Exactly. Sadly, it's becoming a symbol for hatred.

If you saw this guy, would you think:

1. He's REALLY into Jesus.
2. He's REALLY into WWI German history and plays a painted army at his local game store and tournaments?
3. He's a gang member.

I wouldn't know honestly. I see nothing inherently racist about any of those symbols. Unless Hendrin means something I don't know.

For all I know he got the crosses because they looked cool, and they do.

He might very well be a shipping clerk at the refinery down the street and got them because they looked cool, but it doesn't take long on google with Iron Cross Tattoo to figure out who is getting them.

I suppose the Black Templar in your sig is a neonazi too

 Grey Templar wrote:
I wouldn't know honestly. I see nothing inherently racist about any of those symbols. Unless Hendrin means something I don't know.

For all I know he got the crosses because they looked cool, and they do.

No symbol is inherently anything. We have to impart our own meaning on them. It's kind of the whole meaning of the word symbol.

A flag is low hanging fruit, and easily removed, and is a no brainer to remove from public buildings.

A monument however, is different, and eradicating it would be equivalent to what al queda did to those buddha statues .IMO.

I think it is an unfortunate monument, and the fact that Jeff Davis is on there, is an indicator of where the hearts of those who commissioned it.

However it is a testament, and quite frankly a good reminder of an unfortunate period of our past. No need to remove, much better to keep and educate.

This is a piece of history, that should be retained for study, not for the sake of honoring those depicted.

GG

 Grey Templar wrote:
I suppose the Black Templar in your sig is a neonazi too

Super-Neo as he's from the future!

 kronk wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I suppose the Black Templar in your sig is a neonazi too

Super-Neo as he's from the future!

They are always talking about purging other races and whatnot...

 d-usa wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I suppose the Black Templar in your sig is a neonazi too

Super-Neo as he's from the future!

They are always talking about purging other races and whatnot...

Well, its hard to argue when those races are also trying to purge you in return. And they aren't actually a different race, they're a completely different species.

 d-usa wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I suppose the Black Templar in your sig is a neonazi too

Super-Neo as he's from the future!

They are always talking about purging other races and whatnot...

I signed up for their mailing lists.




But I digress.

Taking down monuments and digging up dead people is wrong. Not flying confederate flags on government property is right.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I suppose the Black Templar in your sig is a neonazi too

Super-Neo as he's from the future!

They are always talking about purging other races and whatnot...

Well, its hard to argue when those races are also trying to purge you in return. And they aren't actually a different race, they're a completely different species.

Not even humans? Just what a space nazi would say!

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:
This purge, weeks ago passed the point of ridiculousness:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/atlanta-naacp-chapter-calls-for-removal-massive-confederate-sculpture-in-public/

Purging history? LOL

You might as well argue that taking down the Berlin wall was purging history as well. That wall stood for 40 years, its their history and heritage. Given a few hundred more years it would have been as notable as the great wall of china. And America could of had a nice franchise of good German food at the Berlin wall buffet chains with a nice statue of Hitler to greet you.

But nope, Regan just had to go and purge history.

Sculpture vs. wall? It's entirely unsurprising to me that you are incapable of seeing the difference.

I'm not surprised you don't see the parallel. Ok then How about when Sudam Husseins statue was torn down? purging history?

Either way, just because the monuments come down, no one forgot why they were there. We just don't need to celebrate long dead racists to encourage new racists.

Either way, just because the monuments come down, no one forgot why they were there. We just don't need to celebrate long dead racists to encourage new racists.

Some of America's most influential presidents were racists.


just a few:
Washington
Jackson
Lincoln
Johnson (the Texan one)

Bill Clinton had a campaign slogan on top of the Stars and Bars.

 Frazzled wrote:
Bill Clinton had a campaign slogan on top of the Stars and Bars.

Dubious.

This is probably what you want, instead.

We also have Founding Fathers on our currency to who own slaves
I give it say 60 days for that issue to make it

Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Bill Clinton had a campaign slogan on top of the Stars and Bars.

Dubious.

This is probably what you want, instead.

And again... "Stars and Bars" is not an never was "the southern cross" which was the confederate battle flag.

Says the youngster who's parents weren't even a gleam in their parent's eyes when we used the term.

Southern Cross

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Well, the city council in Memphis, TN wants to move Nathan Bedford Forrest's remains...
http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d/story/council-votes-to-move-nathan-bedford-forrests-rema/12440/x-aa6bzx80iy91LMR_yQ-g

I only know who that is because Forest Gump.