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 j31c3n wrote:
I'd definitely have to say Marneus Calgar. Cato Sicarius is far more Gullimanesque and a better fit to lead the Ultramarines, IMO. Despite being the big cheese there seems to be strikingly little actual fluff on Calgar, at least in the codex. (Admittedly, I do not read the novels.)

Yeah, Cato seems to be more of a strategist and tactician, orchestrating how the troops work, just like the primarchs. Calgar, instead is more about punching things and being a warrior hero guy. That's just my pov, I don't really read ultramarines fluff.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Eh, none. All Tau HQs are important and have good reason to be in the codex.

I agree. We're not exactly tripping over extra named HQ's here.

 bullyboy wrote:
Azrael for sure....then they can scrap that midget of a miniature.
Promote Belial and then people can create there own actual Master of the deathwing.
on second thoughts, kill sammael, then the ravenwing strikeforcecouldnt be legally played!!

..Why the hell would you kill the thing that makes your Codex usable?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Azrael for sure....then they can scrap that midget of a miniature.
Promote Belial and then people can create there own actual Master of the deathwing.
on second thoughts, kill sammael, then the ravenwing strikeforcecouldnt be legally played!!

..Why the hell would you kill the thing that makes your Codex usable?

to teach GW how to write rules correctly!

Captain Tycho. Reason being he's dead already toss him out of the codex. If i want a bad ass for my death company I'll take lemartes or astorath. Tycho never really was interesting all you read about is how he was loved and was dantes replacement then how he joins death company and dies. I mean as far as tycho goes he's pretty shooty for a crazed nut bag that's supposed to get into combat and tear things apart. But if mophiston doesn't get his act straight he might end up on that list.

the_scotsman wrote:
Ghazghkull, Abbadon, Guard already lost like seven named characters, Marneus Calgar, Swarmlord, Draigo, Logan Grimnar, Stormlord, Farsight, Eldrad, Vect.

All the Mary Sues. Have them kill each other.

Heck take all the SM characters.

All of them?
You know that like only the Ultra-Smurf ones are Mary Sues, the other chapter ones are pretty sweet, besides..that is alot of special characters to kill off

All the codex ones, all the forge world ones and all the badab war ones. Thats like around 30 or so.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Eh, none. All Tau HQs are important and have good reason to be in the codex.

But they're all TERRIBLE. As someone who mains(and has only lost one game with Tau) I'd kill 'em all


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 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Eh, none. All Tau HQs are important and have good reason to be in the codex.

I agree. We're not exactly tripping over extra named HQ's here.

Be nice to have one that did more than "give stealth and shrouded" to a unit


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 Vulkan Fran'cis wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Ghazghkull, Abbadon, Guard already lost like seven named characters, Marneus Calgar, Swarmlord, Draigo, Logan Grimnar, Stormlord, Farsight, Eldrad, Vect.

All the Mary Sues. Have them kill each other.

Heck take all the SM characters.

All of them?
You know that like only the Ultra-Smurf ones are Mary Sues, the other chapter ones are pretty sweet, besides..that is alot of special characters to kill off

All the codex ones, all the forge world ones and all the badab war ones. Thats like around 30 or so.

Khan on a bike for 150 pts? yes please

 OrkaMorka wrote:

Grukk is a good replacement

 Mindstrike1 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Cato Sicarius. He’s an arrogent, egotistical prat. Someone feed him to the ‘nids.

Mechanically, he’s a nice throwback to 4th edition, but that’s not enough to stay my ire.

Wow, you must have seen the Text to Speech series. You are a heretic

I'm having trouble parsing what exactly it is you mean here.

Cato Sicarius.
I just know if GW decides to kill Calgar one day, Sicarius will be promoted to Chapter Master, even if he isn't the First Company Captain. And I'd rather have Agamemnon as Ultramarine CM then.

All of them, I prefer generic characters to make their own short histories

 bullyboy wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Azrael for sure....then they can scrap that midget of a miniature.
Promote Belial and then people can create there own actual Master of the deathwing.
on second thoughts, kill sammael, then the ravenwing strikeforcecouldnt be legally played!!

..Why the hell would you kill the thing that makes your Codex usable?

to teach GW how to write rules correctly!

'Cept the rules are perfectly fine. It's just the Deathwing that god screwed over.

Clockwork Iron wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:
I'd definitely have to say Marneus Calgar. Cato Sicarius is far more Gullimanesque and a better fit to lead the Ultramarines, IMO. Despite being the big cheese there seems to be strikingly little actual fluff on Calgar, at least in the codex. (Admittedly, I do not read the novels.)

Yeah, Cato seems to be more of a strategist and tactician, orchestrating how the troops work, just like the primarchs. Calgar, instead is more about punching things and being a warrior hero guy. That's just my pov, I don't really read ultramarines fluff.

The fluff says he's an amazing commander. and the rules certinly support this (Calgar might be a pretty sick power house, but he's also been pretty consistantly a leadership buffer unit as well) but the events they show consists of "Calgur punches out X" It's a classic Wardian problem of telling us but not really showing us. the focus of the fluff on Calgar at Mcragge is a good example. it's all about CALGAR VS THE SWARM LORD YEAAAAH! Instead I'd have written about Calgar the commander. the man who lead the sucessful defence of ultramar from the alien invaders, and noting that the tatics learned and developed by Calgar are the very foundation of the IoM's anti-tyranid tactics etc. he's described as being the next coming of Gulliman, so they really need to show us a unparlleled head for stragety

Am I allowed to count the 5 special characters my book already lost?

There are only 3 left...

Calgar. His fluff feels like it was written by Matt Ward masturbating about Ultramarines on a keyboard.

I love how the people who obviously didn't read the full question are almost all universally bashing the UMs

BrianDavion wrote:
I love how the people who obviously didn't read the full question are almost all universally bashing the UMs

Well, they do deserve quite a bashing

Saint Celestine.

That way, I don't lose anything, since she comes back anyway.

Abaddon, and then have Huron rise up and become Warmaster.

Canis wolfborn, I'm OK with losing him lol. And I'll kill any IG HQ to get my man Marbo back in the codex lol.

They should put poor Shrine and his unworkable rules out of their misery. Poor bastard just can't catch a break.

 sing your life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I love how the people who obviously didn't read the full question are almost all universally bashing the UMs

Well, they do deserve quite a bashing

Indeed. There is only one Smurf special character that I actually like: Cassius. His 1d4chan page pretty well also tells why I'm not very fond of the others.

You may have noted a disturbing trend in Ultramarines special characters. Marneus Calgar is the BEST CHAPTER MASTER EVAR, Varro Tigurius is the BEST LIBRARIAN EVAR, Torias Telion is the BEST SCOUT SERGEANT EVAR, Antaro Chronus is the BEST TANK PILOT EVAR, and Cato Sicarius is the BEST SECOND COMPANY CAPTAIN EVAR (okay, maybe not so much on that one). In other words, they're all a bunch of fething Mary Sues. They have essentially no character traits besides being THE BEST EVAR. There's nothing setting them apart from other Space Marines besides the fact they're just better. They're so absolutely perfect that even Fulgrim himself weeps bitter tears that he can never be as perfect as the Ultramarines special characters.

Draigo. Just let Slaanesh kill him off already and stop popping up everywhere for no reason.

The emperor.... I mean Creed

On a more serious note, i would like creed to die as being called a genius for simply outflanking your enemy with titans is bland an weak.

The third edition hq he replaced had muxh better fluff and interesting stats. In terms of plot advancing it woulf be nice to see chaos finally destroy or conquor cadia. Then to have ghazzy xome n counter attack into cadia and thr eye of terror with 2 gods directly protecring him. Would be cool... i wonder if those gods powers and ability to protect or influence events would even extend into the eye....

All the more interesting for the plot

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I love how the people who obviously didn't read the full question are almost all universally bashing the UMs

Well, they do deserve quite a bashing

Indeed. There is only one Smurf special character that I actually like: Cassius. His 1d4chan page pretty well also tells why I'm not very fond of the others.

You may have noted a disturbing trend in Ultramarines special characters. Marneus Calgar is the BEST CHAPTER MASTER EVAR, Varro Tigurius is the BEST LIBRARIAN EVAR, Torias Telion is the BEST SCOUT SERGEANT EVAR, Antaro Chronus is the BEST TANK PILOT EVAR, and Cato Sicarius is the BEST SECOND COMPANY CAPTAIN EVAR (okay, maybe not so much on that one). In other words, they're all a bunch of fething Mary Sues. They have essentially no character traits besides being THE BEST EVAR. There's nothing setting them apart from other Space Marines besides the fact they're just better. They're so absolutely perfect that even Fulgrim himself weeps bitter tears that he can never be as perfect as the Ultramarines special characters.

True, sadly. I don’t mind some of those. Ultramarines should have some of the best commanders. But are we known for our librarians? Not really. I preferred the days when Tigurius was a bit overpriced and mediocre, but had some nice perks. Chronos should have been an Iron Hands special character. Talion would have made a fine Raven Guard.

Remember, all fluff in 40k is biased propaganda. And Ultramarines are arrogant, prideful, hubris-filled guys. Of course we’re the BEST EVAR! That’s what we tell people. Now if you excuse me, I need to put down an internal coup by our second company...

I'd happily lose Yriel, never really liked him. And they could set it so he dies and which leads to Iyanden having no one living aboard. This could be set as the start of a slow lead up to the Rhana Dhandra

BrianDavion wrote:
I love how the people who obviously didn't read the full question are almost all universally bashing the UMs

To be fair, the nature of the SM codex means that it is quite possible to wish for the death of a named HQ that is in your codex but not your faction, though I doubt every one crying for Calgar's head plays SM.

With that in mind, another vote for Calgar, even though he's a Lord of War.

For purely op as heck fluff, Orikan the Diviner.

Dude can tell the future almost with 100% accuracy. Yet, if something happens that isn't according to what he said, he goes back in time and makes it happen and then has the balls to say I told you so.

Technically, Vect is in the DE codex, just not as a fieldable unit. He can go away when Khaine's Gate finally breaches.

Since DE already lost like half their characters I think they're exempt from this thread, though.

Azrael - He's an arrogant, boring and frankly uninteresting chapter master, His backstory has no tales of epicness and he's a jack-of-all trades and master of none. Get rid of him.

Creed - Dry, and overused meme character. And honestly, just needs rid of. Replace with someone like either CC gaunt or Caine.