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Hello all,

My name is Kro Darklorr. I would like your attention for one moment.

Are you tired of seeing Skitarii hijacking Blood Angel drop pods? How do they even get those, anyway? What about Ulramarine Centurions having a hang sesh with Draigo? Don't they know he's busy in the Warp?

What about seeing the Webway open up and having Raider gunboats surge out and drop off....Wraithguard? My word!

I'm here to tell you that, if elected, I will fight for the Solo rights of each army out there! No longer will we have to sit idly by and watch these travesties occur, with nothing we can do about it! I will go out of my way to ensure each army is fielded the way it was meant to be fielded. To make sure they use the abilities and resources they were meant to use. No longer will I sit and watch as 5 Flying Hive Tyrants (Why the Hive Mind would dedicate so many resources to having that many semi-sentient commanders on the battlefield is beyond me) fly across the battlefield as their....Imperial Knight??....ally stomps through the enemies faces! No longer will the Dark Eldar race be misused into forced taxi slavery! No longer will Dante let countless Drop pods disappear from under his noses as the Adeptus Mechanicus does what they will with them!

I will fight for equal treatment for all armies! And with your vote, we can make it happen!

Vote for Kro Darklorr, and together, we'll abolish the Ally Matrix!


Solo 2016!

My gut instinct is to abolish allies altogether, but understanding that many like allies for a lot of fluffy reasons, I think changing battle bros would be fine.

Lol, no running mate, I see. I'm sure the Necron player will enjoy having less cheese to fight with his Decurion

lustigjh wrote:
Lol, no running mate, I see. I'm sure the Necron player will enjoy having less cheese to fight with his Decurion

You said it, brother!

No Ally Matrix = less cheese. Let's all be lactose intolerant!

Why not just get rid of the matrix and basically have all the factions treat each other as battle bros and go all the way towards the path of the dark side.

And as always I choose heresy as my second option.

 Blacksails wrote:
My gut instinct is to abolish allies altogether, but understanding that many like allies for a lot of fluffy reasons, I think changing battle bros would be fine.

It's less an issue of Battle Brothers and Allies and more an issue of the garbage that is Fast Attack Dedicated Transports.

Droppods should be DT-only.
Transports should be detatchment-only
Wraith units should be AoC at best with any other detachments.

Allies can do good things (CSM and Demons, IG backed by a small SM force, Harlequins or Corsairs working with CWE or Dark Citiers). But it can also do some dumb things.

I think I've finally come to the point where losing BB would be acceptable to stop some of the derp. But I still like the concept of Allies.

(Usually only field my own Allies when its something like Eldar sub factions - my Tau, SM, and Eldar have never been fielded with each other. But having another player ally in is always a blast!)

Some factions are at a level now where you wouldn't see them on the table at all if they weren't providing some use as allies.

Obviously Necrons aren't one of those factions.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
My gut instinct is to abolish allies altogether, but understanding that many like allies for a lot of fluffy reasons, I think changing battle bros would be fine.

It's less an issue of Battle Brothers and Allies and more an issue of the garbage that is Fast Attack Dedicated Transports.

True, though having BBs share abilities and whore ICs out is equally undesirable.

Good call though, axe FA DTs while we're at it. End 40k's Uber.

MarsNZ wrote:
Some factions are at a level now where you wouldn't see them on the table at all if they weren't providing some use as allies.

Obviously Necrons aren't one of those factions.

Exacty.

At least if BB were removed Xeno player wouldn’t be able to defend their OP codices by going, “dur, use allies and L2P”
Well at least the first part would change.

I voted to keep it as is but now that I think about it some more, Battle Brothers should not be allowed to board each other's transports. There's nothing else in the Allies rules that need changing.

Unless you're an IK player.

Then *please* use allies...

Down with allies! I support this, I play this.

Screw you guys, I want my Dominica-Pattern Drop Pods, and allies has finally given me a way to use them again.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Screw you guys, I want my Dominica-Pattern Drop Pods, and allies has finally given me a way to use them again.

So would Dominica Pattern Drop Pods in a Sisters of Battle codex.

While it's kinda/sorta fluffy for Sisters to have them, it's also highly open to abuse and nonsense.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Screw you guys, I want my Dominica-Pattern Drop Pods, and allies has finally given me a way to use them again.

So would Dominica Pattern Drop Pods in a Sisters of Battle codex.

While it's kinda/sorta fluffy for Sisters to have them, it's also highly open to abuse and nonsense.

You are right of course but what is more likely to happen a new Sisters codex or more of the same? Let's be realistic.

Just because Allies and BB allow some dick move in competitive games or TFG behaviours elsewhere, you would forbid it? It's easier to prohibit a whole system rather than educate the small part of players who abuse it.

Moreover, that's totally unfair for fluffy players like me who just want diversity in their army. Your proposition would just kill a large part of the interest of 40k, you do realise that?

Coming from a guy with access to the Decurion formation and one of the best codecies of the games, I find it pretty bold. Not to say ridiculous.

Long story short, no way bro !

Well I have never seen the issue as any irritation with this, can be avoided by simply talking to your opponent. Whom in most cases will not be out to screw you over with his lists or choices of allies

 RazgrizOne wrote:
Just because Allies and BB allow some dick move in competitive games or TFG behaviours elsewhere, you would forbid it? It's easier to prohibit a whole system rather than educate the small part of players who abuse it.

Moreover, that's totally unfair for fluffy players like me who just want diversity in their army. Your proposition would just kill a large part of the interest of 40k, you do realise that?

Coming from a guy with access to the Decurion formation and one of the best codecies of the games, I find it pretty bold. Not to say ridiculous.

Long story short, no way bro !

Sounds like some stone cold heresy, good sir.

I firmly believe a quality ruleset should leave as little interpretation and potential exploits or game breaking balance issues as possible.

To that end, keeping allies but hacking up Battle Bros to eliminate the cross codex combinations of abilities still allows players to field multiple armies for fluff reasons, but curbs any potential balance issues, which benefits everyone and doesn't leave it open to the differences in what people think is too powerful.

 andrewm9 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Screw you guys, I want my Dominica-Pattern Drop Pods, and allies has finally given me a way to use them again.

So would Dominica Pattern Drop Pods in a Sisters of Battle codex.

While it's kinda/sorta fluffy for Sisters to have them, it's also highly open to abuse and nonsense.

You are right of course but what is more likely to happen a new Sisters codex or more of the same? Let's be realistic.

If we're "being realistic", we never expected to see a Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii book.
If we're "being realistic", we never expected them to destroy the Warhammer world proper and advance the timeline several centuries.
If we're "being realistic", we never expected Imperial Knights to become a thing.

The list could go on, but I think the point of "GW isn't exactly being predictable these days" should be fairly clear.

So what im reading here is:

"everybody needs to play the game the way i think it was ment to be played, anyone else is TFG or a WAAC player."

Yeah lets remove allies, see how fast the inquistion, assassin, etc codecies skyrocket in popularity as they are 100%viable on their own.

Outside of Drop Pods and WWP Wraithguard, there really isn't issues with it.

I think allies needs to go... personal preference obvs

I like the idea of the allies system, in that it reflects the lore on the tabletop and can lead to a lot of fluffy combinations, but as we all have seen is definitely open to abuse.

Therefore, I would vote to change how Battle Brothers work, specifically by prohibiting them from riding in each others' transports.

I like allies and think it can add a lot of dimension to certain armies. And am all in favor of being able to field allies. Heck, some books just wouldnt work without it.

Inquisition
Harlequins
Tempestus
Skitarii/Admech as they are each their own book.

I think riding in eachother's transports is the most broken part of it. So here is my solution. There has to be at least one model in the transport from the chosen codex.

So if there are wraithguard in a raider, then there has to be a dark eldar IC in there.

If there is an Inquisitor in a drop pod, then he has to be with a marine unit.

 Icculus wrote:
I like allies and think it can add a lot of dimension to certain armies. And am all in favor of being able to field allies. Heck, some books just wouldnt work without it.

Inquisition
Harlequins
Tempestus
Skitarii/Admech as they are each their own book.

I think riding in eachother's transports is the most broken part of it. So here is my solution. There has to be at least one model in the transport from the chosen codex.

So if there are wraithguard in a raider, then there has to be a dark eldar IC in there.

If there is an Inquisitor in a drop pod, then he has to be with a marine unit.

This is literally one of the most reasonable posts in this thread.

No allies? No thanks. I like having options to collect what I actually like and build an army with it. I like being able to take Traitor Guard and ally them with Daemons. Battle Brothers shenanigans could be toned down though.

I cannot support this. Allies becoming a thing is what got me to come back to 40K. Reading the old White Dwarf issues from the 2000's and seeing Guard and Marines fight together against whatever threat there was really struck a chord with me. That's the core of the 40K universe to me, and that's the kind of thing I wanted to play.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
I like the idea of the allies system, in that it reflects the lore on the tabletop and can lead to a lot of fluffy combinations, but as we all have seen is definitely open to abuse.

Therefore, I would vote to change how Battle Brothers work, specifically by prohibiting them from riding in each others' transports.

Again, the issue isn't allowing people to ride in each others' transports.

It's the fact that you can purchase dedicated transports empty.
Period. End of story.

If you couldn't buy Wave Serpents, Drop Pods, or Raiders/Venoms empty--we wouldn't be having this discussion.