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It is, he means have your BA contain the warlord while you ally in some sky hammer ultras.
And the "play at home but talk about tourneys like they were there" crowd still don't seem to understand that Swiss rankings have a decent margin of error. (Especially BAO which had enough people that they should have swiss'd 8 rounds, but with 40k, that would be 3 days of tourney and cause time constraints.)
It's not just the top list you should be scared of. It's pretty much everyone who went 5-0 and 4-1, especially the ones whose single loss came late in the tourney, which is a fairly large list at the BAO. Almost all those lists are top tier. And what happens when two top tier lists with two good pilots face each other? The game is usually decided by one or two important rolls somewhere. Who got to choose to go first/second? Does the game end on round 5 when Bob needs it to? Does this WK stomp roll a 6 real quick so he gets loose from this combat, or does he stay tarpitted? Does your big squad of decurion crons at the back table edge with zandrekh fail a morale? Does your veil deathstar mishap?
All of these are huge single rolls that can swing a game hard, and when two top tiers go at it, if one of them happens, it's usually not recoverable unless the dice gods hit the other player just as hard at about the same time. If captain A's draigostar hadn't suddenly scattered, mishapped and died, people wouldn't have ever been talking about Nick Rose's scouts being at the top of LVO for example. He had that game on lock until that huge scatter came up.
All that going 4-1 means for sure to me is that they are a high tier list, well piloted, and were on the losing side of an important roll somewhere.
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It is, he means have your BA contain the warlord while you ally in some sky hammer ultras.
And the "play at home but talk about tourneys like they were there" crowd still don't seem to understand that Swiss rankings have a decent margin of error. (Especially BAO which had enough people that they should have swiss'd 8 rounds, but with 40k, that would be 3 days of tourney and cause time constraints.)
It's not just the top list you should be scared of. It's pretty much everyone who went 5-0 and 4-1, especially the ones whose single loss came late in the tourney, which is a fairly large list at the BAO. Almost all those lists are top tier. And what happens when two top tier lists with two good pilots face each other? The game is usually decided by one or two important rolls somewhere. Who got to choose to go first/second? Does the game end on round 5 when Bob needs it to? Does this WK stomp roll a 6 real quick so he gets loose from this combat, or does he stay tarpitted? Does your big squad of decurion crons at the back table edge with zandrekh fail a morale? Does your veil deathstar mishap?
All of these are huge single rolls that can swing a game hard, and when two top tiers go at it, if one of them happens, it's usually not recoverable unless the dice gods hit the other player just as hard at about the same time. If captain A's draigostar hadn't suddenly scattered, mishapped and died, people wouldn't have ever been talking about Nick Rose's scouts being at the top of LVO for example. He had that game on lock until that huge scatter came up.
All that going 4-1 means for sure to me is that they are a high tier list, well piloted, and were on the losing side of an important roll somewhere.
Where can I find all the lists outside of the top 8? I am curious of those as well.
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the_scotsman wrote: It tells me that low tier in 40k means "lacking in options" not "unwinnable game."
Tau, orks, Nids, SW, daemons, CSM, GK, and AdMech are all part of tier 2 currently. They can and frequently do place just as good as the tier 1 armies, but they have highly limited builds available.
BA, IG, Sisters, and DE are tier 3: only usable as one-half of an Ally equation if you wanna see upper tables.
So "placing behind orks" doesn't mean anything for the competitiveness of tau, because that tau list placed AHEAD of dozens of Necron, Eldar, and SM players. Play that list, and you've got a top of the heap list and have no grounds to complain lists at anyone.
GK just dropped a tier with proliferation of grav in the new SM codex, along with a few new things. They do well vs plenty of stuff, but as soon asvyou face SM or drop pod skitarii or the like, they become a massive liability.
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the_scotsman wrote: It tells me that low tier in 40k means "lacking in options" not "unwinnable game."
Tau, orks, Nids, SW, daemons, CSM, GK, and AdMech are all part of tier 2 currently. They can and frequently do place just as good as the tier 1 armies, but they have highly limited builds available.
BA, IG, Sisters, and DE are tier 3: only usable as one-half of an Ally equation if you wanna see upper tables.
So "placing behind orks" doesn't mean anything for the competitiveness of tau, because that tau list placed AHEAD of dozens of Necron, Eldar, and SM players. Play that list, and you've got a top of the heap list and have no grounds to complain lists at anyone.
GK just dropped a tier with proliferation of grav in the new SM codex, along with a few new things. They do well vs plenty of stuff, but as soon asvyou face SM or drop pod skitarii or the like, they become a massive liability.
Also more and more lists are starting to throw in a culexus to say "f u" to seer councils and other psychic shenanigans while being decent even without enemy psykers, so GK kind of get hit as collateral damage by that.
It is, he means have your BA contain the warlord while you ally in some sky hammer ultras.
And the "play at home but talk about tourneys like they were there" crowd still don't seem to understand that Swiss rankings have a decent margin of error. (Especially BAO which had enough people that they should have swiss'd 8 rounds, but with 40k, that would be 3 days of tourney and cause time constraints.)
It's not just the top list you should be scared of. It's pretty much everyone who went 5-0 and 4-1, especially the ones whose single loss came late in the tourney, which is a fairly large list at the BAO. Almost all those lists are top tier. And what happens when two top tier lists with two good pilots face each other? The game is usually decided by one or two important rolls somewhere. Who got to choose to go first/second? Does the game end on round 5 when Bob needs it to? Does this WK stomp roll a 6 real quick so he gets loose from this combat, or does he stay tarpitted? Does your big squad of decurion crons at the back table edge with zandrekh fail a morale? Does your veil deathstar mishap?
All of these are huge single rolls that can swing a game hard, and when two top tiers go at it, if one of them happens, it's usually not recoverable unless the dice gods hit the other player just as hard at about the same time. If captain A's draigostar hadn't suddenly scattered, mishapped and died, people wouldn't have ever been talking about Nick Rose's scouts being at the top of LVO for example. He had that game on lock until that huge scatter came up.
All that going 4-1 means for sure to me is that they are a high tier list, well piloted, and were on the losing side of an important roll somewhere.
Where can I find all the lists outside of the top 8? I am curious of those as well.
Generally batreps and second hand knowledge. The FLG guys generally don't take copies of peoples' lists.
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the_scotsman wrote: Also, Nurgle CSM is doable but requires a hefty FW tax to be good. With the new Nurgle Knight (aka wraithknight-b-gone) the Sicarians/Vinducator Destroyer/Typhon, with the solid base of plague marines, spawn, Heldrakes and Nurgle bikers CSM have the edge on most low tier armies in terms of what they can pull in a tourney. Luckily in the standard format, their worst matchup Eldar D-spam is heavily Nerfed.
here is a nurgle knight
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