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So I notice in some peoples lists they talk about bonding jacks for extra abilities.
But other then the rules in the main book that are for special campaign events I can't find anything about bonding and what its for?
Is it just that people are extending these bond rules to normal games, and if I come across someone using Bonds can I use them to or is it something you need a special list build for?

Thanks

There are 2 kinds of bonds. The campaign ones and the ones some Epic warcasters have. E Irusk for example has one, E Sorscha, ...
Those are a different kind and are available in normal games.
Instead of using the tables you roll on for campaign bonds, the warcasters' cards will have the effect of the bond. In addition to that, the bonded 'jack can be allocated up to 4 Focus instead of 3

Ok, so some E Casters have natural bonds that are just extra buffs for a particular named warjack, and can always be used.

While the Campaign Bonds are only for campaign games and I don't need to worry about (since I won't be playing said games)

And if we're discussing the bonds on a warcaster's card, here's an example of how it works using eSorscha.

1. A Juggernaut she controls. It is a Khador faction warjack. It is not a character jack. It is in her battlegroup. It is a legal bond target.

2. A Conquest she controls. It is a Khador faction warjack. It is not a character jack. It is in her battlegroup. It is a legal bond target.

3. Beast 09 that she controls. It is a Khador faction warjack. It is a character jack. It has Affinity [Sorscha]. It is in her battlegroup. It is a legal bond target.

4. Ruin that she controls. It is a Khador faction warjack. It is a character jack. It does NOT have Affinity [Sorscha]. It is in her battlegroup. It is NOT a legal bond target.

Non-character warjacks just have to be in her battlegroup. The requirement for character jacks in this example is that they have Affinity[Sorscha], since she is the caster we are discussing in this example. Beast 09 is the only character warjack that can bond to her. And of course, only 1 jack can be bonded in a game. So if you are running a Juggernaut and Beast 09, you have to choose which one will be bonded (please pick Beast ).

Sticking to the Khador theme, Beast 09 CANNOT bond with Butcher. However, Ruin, having Affinity [Butcher] CAN bond to him. Hope that helped, keep up the fight for the motherland

Gosh I just checked out eSorchas Bond rule and that is so powerful O_o Think I might avoid using it since she is already better then her prime version, and an additional walking stationary cold is just silly

Thanks for explaining them for me though

Like the rest of this game, it's fair to play. Most opponents have a way of 1 rounding a heavy, and models only become stationary if they end their activation and your jack isn't dead. If they kill it, their fine. Run it on a conquest and it's a giant bubble of nope, that's way more fun :p

As for better than her prime version, I know a few guys who'd take issue with that. They flat out love what her prime version does. I think (this is only opinion) that her epic version is way more fun though. Less one trick. I've won games without feating plenty before, whereas I can't see pSorscha doing that, and in my mind that makes her too reliant on her feat to me and thus boring.

But here I go off topic as hell again. Sorry

Oh I never take anything I would not want to face myself, like my Tau Battle suit army has no riptides in it for example.
The battlesuits are quite nasty but easy enough to squish, but Riptides are just silly powerful

The bond's really not that over the top, unless your opponent is (/has to) doing something silly. If he's trying to get that 'jack off the table he should be able to.
It gets nasty on Devastators or Demolishers though :p

Both types of bonds work exactly the same and follow the same rules. Its just one is an innate ability of the model, the other can only be gained during a campaign.

eSorscha's bond is strong, but its factored into her character design. Plus it only happens if you failed to kill the bonded jack.


Also, this warrants a clarification of how Special Issue works. Because it sometimes causes issues for newbies.

Special Issue is a special rule some character warjacks have which allows that character jack to bond to a specific warcaster, and lets them be in their theme force. The bond rules normally exclude character jacks from becoming bonded, this rule exists so a warcasters character jack can be bonded to them. However, this rule does NOT allow a bond to form on its own. So unless the warcaster has become eligible for a bond, either by having one innately or gaining it in a campaign, they can't bond just because their warjack has Special Issue. They need to have a bond in the first place.

Innate bonds for a warcaster are also not limited to their character warjack. They can bond to a normal jack too, and often this is more advantageous. eFeora doesn't want to bond to her character jack as it already causes continuous fire on its melee attacks, so it only gets the extra focus portion. Thats why she almost always bonds to a Judicator.

 aprilmanha wrote:
Oh I never take anything I would not want to face myself, like my Tau Battle suit army has no riptides in it for example.
The battlesuits are quite nasty but easy enough to squish, but Riptides are just silly powerful

This isn't 40K.

Most players in WM/H don't think the same way about lists as 40K players do and hamstringing yourself in WM/H is actually much more damaging than in 40K. Most players I've seen will ask you why you're doing it and will give you funny looks if your answer is "because I thought it would be unfair".

Not trying to be rough on you or insulting, it's just that you really should leave your 40K mentalities at the door. Using all your advantages in this game has nothing to do with being a WAAC, page 5, or all the other things people talk about as being bad things in GW discussions, it's more about this game being about building and playing your list around those advantages and abilities.

That's ok, I'm still not at the 30~35pts level anyway so I should not be worrying about special list optimisations.

I'm ok with hovering around the 20~25pts mark doing the less competitive games.