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 jy2 wrote:
I'm gonna sneak my liquor in by putting it n my stomach.

Tis in fact the boldest move, cotton

 gameandwatch wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
I'm gonna sneak my liquor in by putting it n my stomach.

Tis in fact the boldest move, cotton

Finally, a return to what matters at these things.


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DirtyDeeds wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I know what you'll be bringing now.

Whiskey, and probably beer.

Yeah, I only talk about the stuff that matters. Whether CF works or not isn't important. What is is should I bring whiskey or tequila?

Or maybe I should just get some Everclear like I did last year on the strip at the LVO.

I remember meeting you saturday and all you yelled was "I AM SO #$%#, I shouldnt be playing"

 jy2 wrote:
I'm gonna sneak my liquor in by putting it n my stomach.

Rock on brother !

Jim, you should bring the Eversor you won on the stream last night! haha, if you win with him, I will buy you any booze you want!

Reece, I will if you let me ally him with my bugs.

 jy2 wrote:
Reece, I will if you let me ally him with my bugs.

Seems reasonable. It's in the BRB, after all

Lol, touche, sir! haha

Given the expansion of the field, has any thought been given to making the top eight a top sixteen bracket instead?

That isn't possible for logistics reasons. We only have time for 3 games in a day which limits us to a final 8.

 Reecius wrote:
That isn't possible for logistics reasons. We only have time for 3 games in a day which limits us to a final 8.

Cool. Just curious. Looking forward to another great FLG event and surprising people with Sisters.

Can't wait to have you! Man, starting to feel the pressure as we come into the last month, haha. Still a ton to do! Going to be awesome, though.

 Reecius wrote:
That isn't possible for logistics reasons. We only have time for 3 games in a day which limits us to a final 8.

Have you considered doing split formats then? You could have day one be 1k points and day two be top 8 playing with 1850pts along with everyone else in their own bracket playing. Maybe not those exact values, but something of the sort to get more rounds in to crown a more decisive winner.

You can also do pods like the GP for magic in Vegas did where it was actually four GPs day one basically and they fed into a single one day two, since they had like 5k people that year.

One of these days... Good luck to everyone that's going!

 Reecius wrote:
Can't wait to have you! Man, starting to feel the pressure as we come into the last month, haha. Still a ton to do! Going to be awesome, though.

i keep thinking oooh one month till vegas then remembering i have to finish my army and thinking gak, one month till vegas

@Tinkrr

We do have a clear winner due to the Swiss format. However, we have looked at formats where you can enter into a new tournament essentially, after day 1 so you get another shot at a big win.

We're always tinkering with ideas like that. Thanks for the suggestion!

@Nomeny

Maybe in 2017!

@kloma

Haha, I know that feeling all too well! I get more painting done before a tournament than at any other time.

 Reecius wrote:
@Tinkrr

We do have a clear winner due to the Swiss format. However, we have looked at formats where you can enter into a new tournament essentially, after day 1 so you get another shot at a big win.

We're always tinkering with ideas like that. Thanks for the suggestion!

Awesome, thanks for the input.

So hey if you ever want advise in terms of tournament judging and organisation let me know because I have experience with some rather solid MtG stuff, and can always bounce ideas off multiple people working as high muckity-mucks at Wizards on a friendly basis. I'm more of a security and intelligence person on the scene but I'm also the first pseudo-judge to ever issue a triple Dairy Queen (ok that was a joke and only during a judge conference that had dealings with rulings and shady things, but people laughed so I'm in the clear!). In other words, I can provide my opinion, and if you want more than that I can bounce things off of far more professional people who deal with rulings and judge stuff in a much larger game, which could always be a good resource regardless if you use it or not when making your own decisions.

Yeah, we're open to any good ideas to improve. We feel like we've gotten things pretty dialed in but there is always room for improvement.

@Thread

We have some room left in the 40k Champs! With a shuffling of the tables around, we have room for another 37 40k players! If you want to come, be sure to jump in and grab your ticket! http://store.frontlinegaming.org/lvo-warhammer-40k-championships/dp/12863

The 40k Narrative had a few drops so we have a tin y bit of room left! Be sure to grab tickets if you want to go, these will go fast! http://store.frontlinegaming.org/lvo-40k-narrative-3-day-pass/dp/12892

We've also got room in Wamrachine, X-Wing, the Hobby Seminars, Malifaux, and a few spots left for Infinity and DzC!

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/las-vegas-open-2016/

Can't wait to see everyone there!

 Reecius wrote:
Yeah, we're open to any good ideas to improve. We feel like we've gotten things pretty dialed in but there is always room for improvement.

I think you guys are awesome, and are doing great work. However, 40k to me seems like it's still in the beta stages of its development, despite its age, and as such so are you guys.

I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong exactly, I'm just saying it's really strange for me to go into this game after being a part of the Magic community for so long, and having gone to various Judge conferences, assistant judging small and medium events (several hundred people playing as opposed to several thousand), and participating in events that were larger (thousands of players, or hundred dollar entry fees for example) and getting to the later stages of it. More so, I do have friends who have been pro players and went onto work for Wizards, or people who worked for Wizards and advanced, which also probably gives me a skewed perspective. Again, not saying I know better or anything, simply that I have experience in such things.

So my best advise would be that after you guys finish with the LVO this year, since that's the main priority right now, try to get in touch with some of the higher up judges and event organizers in the Magic community, and try to probe them for what they do to both make events run more smoothly and what the game/company as a whole does to really promote their franchise. I think a lot of stuff happens behind the scenes that most people simply aren't aware of, and I'm sure the same is true for the amount of work that goes on for the LVO that plenty of people take for granted.

One thing that stood out to me was how you guys were discussing the ways you'd do streaming of the event. In Magic it's been done a certain way for well over a decade now, even when it was on ESPN 2 during the lat 90's and early 2000's, they had table side judges for the feature match and then commentators in a booth on basically the opposite side of the room. The table side judges had head sets that let them relay information to the commentator booth. If there was time they'd bring in the winning player for some pre or post game chat, in between rounds they'd have "deck tech" segments which were basically a list for review style thing where the player talked about the list and why they were running what they were for that tournament. More so, they weren't shy in bringing in players who were pros that scrubbed out early and dropped in major events to sit and provide commentary in the booth with the normal guys, which gave a lot of insight into things. I get that last part doesn't really work in 40k, due to the structure, but you never know, especially if a high end charismatic player shows up not for the main event but for something else or whatever.

Edit: You can also pre-film the List for Review segment with pretty armies on display and some overlays, that way you can play those recorded things during breaks or if a feature match ends early and you don't have a back up match stable set up.

Edit 2: And please, please make some kind of overlay to show victory points as the game goes on, along with units dead and such. Sometimes there's just a major disconnect between what's happening in the game as it looks one way but is actually going completely differently. Imagine a sports game where there wasn't a score board going the whole time, it works for Chess because there's no accumulating victory condition, but anything that has one needs one displayed.

40k also has no direct goal post, so unlike other sports games where you can track points based on one object entering another, it's that much harder to track the varying conditions. Sometimes you're just sitting there and hear a final point count that is stunning, but have no idea why it happened. Just imagine a magic tournament where life totals weren't displayed, or poison counters, or timers, or anything, and that would only be a small fraction of what's going on in 40k. More so, anyone tuning in, or having the stream up on their second or third monitor, is hurt a lot by not having a displayed point and kill overlay, as tuning in mid game is basically not worth it, nor is it really worth it to partially watch it in the background because we can't track things without full attention to the game at hand, which makes it less likely for people to watch. Also, new players who aren't familiar with the game don't know what's being said exactly, so having a simple overlay of points and kills helps put things into perspective for people who know less about the game.

I guess you missed the Nova Open GT 40K streaming.

@Tinkrr
The on-screen scoreboard idea sounds viable and do-able. The rest sounds expensive.

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As for commentators, I know INcontrol had done a few of these, but if we want old time pros, I hear that Stephanie Edwards and Bob Eubanks are available.

really quick question, possibly in the wrong place. I've never played ITC before. Missions 1,2,3 and 6 the maelstrom mission 6 is worded slightly differently, is this intentional to differentiate between partial and full for each mission or just a typo?

 Brothererekose wrote:
@Tinkrr
The on-screen scoreboard idea sounds viable and do-able. The rest sounds expensive.

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As for commentators, I know INcontrol had done a few of these, but if we want old time pros, I hear that Stephanie Edwards and Bob Eubanks are available.

It's expensive, but there are ways to make it not expensive. For example, Magic judges are all volunteers but leave with hundreds of dollars, since they get paid in product and then Wizards provides special judge promos that sell for a few dollars to a few hundred dollars. Now I know GW won't ever support their product and more importantly their community or FLGSes in same way Wizards does (handing out tons of free rewards constantly at all levels), but the ITC still has opportunity to use their product line to their advantage.

For example, they have a new terrain piece coming out, that they haven't revealed yet as far as I know. Now I'm sure if they got in contact with various TO's in the area and offered them that piece in exchange for being judges or more, they'd get at least a few bites, especially if it would be early access. This also has the added benefit of getting TO's a sample of the product, since TO's probably always need more than one piece of terrain for their events, and it gives them exposure to the TO's community since that's where it will be used the most. They could even probably find some form of tax write off since the judges would be volunteers and the product would be considered a given away product (probably a business cost or loss, but I don't know the full tax code). All of this combined gives them skilled volunteers, puts their product out into the community in a good way (I'm sure those who get it will be more than happy to post their new and temporarily exclusive toy on various forms of media, they could even try to make one awesome new thing come out each LVO and use that as the product reveal, building up expectation), and lets them pay people more than minimum wage for their work while having less than minimum wage costs. It also encourages a formation of a judge community, for players who love the rules, but not exactly being highly competitive players, after all, having a dedicated "judge community" across the world is huge for a game.

As a whole though, the idea is to have expensive ideas, but to find ways to use the best resource gaming has, which its community, to do it in an inexpensive way.

Oh, and I really enjoyed when INcontrol was there, not that I don't like Reece and Frankie, it's just always good to have variety and he was a lot of fun.

The TO's that I know for the 40K Champs are getting a good deal but there is always room for more stuff

Just wanted to say that as someone who can't go but really likes tourneys, I would enjoy a stream or VOD of at least the top few tables!

 Bahkara wrote:
The TO's that I know for the 40K Champs are getting a good deal but there is always room for more stuff

Oh, don't get me wrong I don't wish to make any assumption or claim about their current staff, as I know nothing about it, though I'm sure the ITC is upstanding and takes good care of their people. I'm just offering different ideas and methods of staffing solutions, and in the end there's no one system that's the best, since even MtG events use a mix of compensation methods for different staff and more.

Thanks for all the killer feedback, everyone! Much appreciated.

GW does actually support their stores. Honestly, they're pretty dang generous. We all criticize them at times but I have to give credit where it's due: GW stands behind their product and their stores. Now if they'd just get over the dumb "no web cart sales" policy. But, I digress.

Compensating judges and staff is always a challenge. These events run on thin margins so there isn't a ton of room for getting extravagant in that department. But as Bahkara noted, we take care of anyone that helps us out. There's a reason why our volunteers and staff always want to come back!

As for score cards on the screen, we have figured out a way to do it, but so far, it looks like crap. We're working on a nicer looking solution and think we've got it worked out.

The LVO this year will have seriously unprecedented media coverage. We've made a large investment into making that a priority. We'll have a staff dedicated to live coverage of the event with two tables being streamed, live commentary, live coverage of the main hall, interviews, live blogging on the site, etc. We'll have the schedule of coverage up on the site, soon.

There have been events with live coverage before, such as NOVA or the LVO 2015 as Junlecs pointed out. However, there's never been anything like this, with roaming cameras and such. Not to put anyone else down or take anything away from other efforts, but this seriously will be a first in terms of breadth of coverage of a miniatures table top gaming event. I am sure it will still be a bit rough compared to professional coverage, but it will be a huge step forward.

@Kloma

It's the same objective each time, but yes, it is worded slightly differently. Thanks for pointing that out, I will clean it up to be uniform.

Im so excited, I cant wait to loose all my school book money at the tables
My goal
win 3 games

@Kloma. Its written differently to accommodate the different deployment zones.