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2016/02/09 17:16:15
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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My list also null deploys like the Best of them. And its alpha strike can be lethal. I went first 2 times and second 4 times. 2 of my games ended on Turn 4. The others ended on Turn 5. So playing Battle Company can be played fast. Battle Company on Battle Company does take a long time to finish a game though.
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2016/02/09 17:16:42
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Fixture of Dakka
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Requizen wrote:It sounds like null-deploy was the name of the game at LVO. I wonder if that's because of the missions for the event or those types of lists are just extremely strong atm.
Not necessarily. I deployed almost my entire army every round, leaving only 2 troops in Reserves mostly. I had to face 5 alpha-strike armies - Tau, Demi-company, White Scars Battle Company, Knights + Eldar, and War Convocation. And of those 5 alpha-strike armies, 4 of them went 1st.
Null deployment is definitely a great tool, but it really depends on the type of army you run. Some armies can do it very well (like drop pod armies). Other armies, not so much. But what null deployment really gives you is a lot of flexibility depending on the type of army you go up against....as long as you are going 2nd.
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2016/02/09 18:36:07
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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I had to face 5 alpha-strike armies
Then I am pleased to have been your only non alpha-strike opponent just to have been able to give you some variety 
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2016/02/09 18:51:51
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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Fixture of Dakka
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 The Everliving wrote: I had to face 5 alpha-strike armies
Then I am pleased to have been your only non alpha-strike opponent just to have been able to give you some variety
Haha....very true indeed.
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2016/02/09 22:39:58
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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Been Around the Block
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Did anyone get the name of the guy who won 3rd best painted, or have pictures of his army?
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2016/02/09 23:10:36
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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It was teddy barker. He had necrons with a pumpkin them. He hand sculpted pumpkin heads for his models and painted wood grain on the flat surfaces
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2016/02/09 23:15:38
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Bahkara wrote:It was teddy barker. He had necrons with a pumpkin them. He hand sculpted pumpkin heads for his models and painted wood grain on the flat surfaces
It's an impressive army. He's pretty young too, big 40k painting future ahead of him 
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Las Vegas Open Head Judge
I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings or pride, but your credentials matter. Even on the internet.
"If you do not have the knowledge, you do not have the right to the opinion." -Plato
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2016/02/09 23:57:08
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Dakka Veteran
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What were some of the other daemon lists like at LVO? I've seen Alan's but can't track down any others.
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2016/02/10 00:13:38
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Fixture of Dakka
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A friend ran his Orks there and told me it was a great tournament. It was the first one he had been to in years and he went went 4 and 2 running a lot of trukkaboyz in his list.
He thought about taking a Stompa, but decided instead to use the type of army he was most comfortable running.
In the end, he placed 54th and finished as the top Ork player, taking home a battle mat.
From what he tells me of the fun he had,I might have to try things out next year.
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2016/02/10 00:54:56
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The big list project has started, you can find a drop box of lists I've compiled so far at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y28px3mgjeergdn/AADDpUf3n_u2QfkiYzDzHSh0a?dl=0
Please keep sending me lists, every little bit helps D:
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2016/02/10 02:02:08
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/02/10 02:03:54
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2016/02/10 02:37:26
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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KAPcom wrote:There were some great painted armies there, really enjoyed the inspiration. I was gunning for one of the top spots this year, but guess I didn't make the cut. Here' some of the great stuff at the event:
Martians are Tau?
What are the stay puff marshmallow men counts as?
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2016/02/10 04:00:56
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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acing Player Score
1 Alex Harrison
Eldar - Beast Coast 8580
11 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 6 / 11 / 8 / 5 / 6
2 Sean Nayden
Eldar - Death Spiral Down 7572
11 / 9 / 10 / 7 / 7 / 11 / 7 / 5 / 5
3 Steven Sisk
Space Marines - Mercy Killers 7069
10 / 11 / 10 / 11 / 8 / 7 / 10 / 2
4 Alan Bajramovic
Chaos Daemons - Chicago Kamikazies 6572
10 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 6 / 11 / 10 / 2
5 Alexander Fennell
Necrons - Death Spiral Down 5561
6 / 11 / 10 / 10 / 7 / 11 / 6
6 Brad Chester
Eldar - 5554
10 / 4 / 11 / 11 / 6 / 10 / 2n
7 Jonathan Camacho
Necrons - Sunrise 5062
11 / 4 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 3
8 Michael Snider
Necrons - Preferred Enemies 5054
11 / 11 / 10 / 2 / 9 / 11
8 Aaron Aleong
Dark Angels - Chicago Kamikazies 5054
4 / 11 / 11 / 7 / 11 / 10 / 0
8 Tyler Devries
Eldar - Chicago Kamikazies 5054
11 / 7 / 5 / 11 / 9 / 11
11 Aaron Wisch
Dark Angels - Defend Hawaii 5052
11 / 10 / 1 / 10 / 9 / 11
12 Trevor Van Cleave
Tau Empire - Mercy Killers 5050
5 / 11 / 7 / 10 / 6 / 11
13 Geoff Robinson
Cult Mechanicus - Team Zero Comp 5048
2 / 11 / 11 / 10 / 7 / 7
13 Ben Cromwell
Cult Mechanicus - Team Zero Comp 5048
11 / 11 / 9 / 0 / 6 / 11
13 Jim Yeh
Chaos Daemons - Team Zero Comp 5048
11 / 10 / 6 / 1 / 10 / 10
16 Kurt Clauss
Eldar - Death Spiral Down 5046
10 / 11 / 10 / 1 / 7 / 7
17 John-paul Mawet
Renegades - Mugu Legion 5045
10 / 8 / 7 / 0 / 10 / 10
18 Israel Sanchez
Tau Empire - Left Coast Corsairs 5044
6 / 9 / 6 / 9 / 5 / 9
19 Anthony D'Amore
Space Marines - Left Coast Corsairs 5043
4 / 6 / 11 / 10 / 7 / 5
19 Allan Hernandez
Eldar - REKT 5043
11 / 2 / 10 / 6 / 9 / 5
21 Thomas Reidy
Grey Knights - Death Spiral Down 5042
7 / 11 / 6 / 6 / 5 / 7
21 Vincent Arroyo
Chaos Space Marines - Sun City 5042
6 / 6 / 7 / 2 / 10 / 11
23 Shane Bankard
Inquisition - 5041
11 / 6 / 6 / 1 / 7 / 10
24 Jamie McLay
Space Marines - Loaded Dice 5039
1 / 10 / 10 / 1 / 11 / 6
25 Benjamin Vizcarra
Space Marines - Left Coast Corsairs 5036
10 / 6 / 6 / 6 / 6 / 2
26 Brandon Grant
Dark Angels - Preferred Enemies 4550
11 / 6 / 11 / 11 / 1 / 10
26 Andrew Gonyo
Tau Empire - Beast Coast 4550
11 / 11 / 5 / 11 / 11 / 1
28 Aaron Hayden
Renegades - Preferred Enemies 4549
7 / 6 / 5 / 10 / 11 / 10
28 Gareth Hunt
Renegades - Death Spiral Down 4549
11 / 11 / 5 / 10 / 10 / 2
30 Carlos Kaiser
Renegades - REKT 4548
11 / 1 / 5 / 9 / 11 / 11
31 Thomas Ogden
Tau Empire - 4547
11 / 11 / 5 / 11 / 7 / 2
32 Garye Lawrence
Adepta Sororitas - Mercy Killers 4545
5 / 10 / 5 / 10 / 5 / 10
33 William Abilez
Eldar - Sunrise 4544
5 / 10 / 6 / 11 / 11 / 1
34 Werner Born
Necrons - Beast Coast 4543
11 / 9 / 1 / 9 / 7 / 6
34 Jesus Mendizabal
Dark Eldar - Sun City 4543
11 / 7 / 6 / 2 / 11 / 6
36 Julio Rodriguez
Space Marines - nWo Blackshirts 4542
11 / 7 / 6 / 11 / 6 / 1
37 Brandon Sullivan
Chaos Daemons - Death Spiral Down 4541
0 / 9 / 5 / 10 / 6 / 11
38 Alex Gonzalez
Necrons - Left Coast Corsairs 4539
11 / 4 / 6 / 1 / 11 / 6
39 Christopher Arrington
Eldar - Clutch City 4538
1 / 5 / 10 / 5 / 7 / 10
40 Phil Harlos
Cult Mechanicus - GWNG 4052
2 / 11 / 6 / 11 / 11 / 11
41 Dan Platt
Dark Angels - Loaded Dice 4047
11 / 11 / 11 / 2 / 2 / 10
41 Andrew Ford
Eldar - 4047
9 / 10 / 10 / 1 / 11 / 6
43 Justin Gibbs
Tyranids - Defend Hawaii 4046
5 / 10 / 11 / 7 / 2 / 11
43 Matt Robertson
Eldar - Beast Coast 4046
11 / 11 / 10 / 11 / 2 / 1
43 Alan Dehesa
Renegades - Rage Quit Table Flip 4046
11 / 11 / 1 / 7 / 5 / 11
46 Matt Lewis
Dark Angels - Mugu Legion 4045
6 / 11 / 5 / 11 / 1 / 11
46 Richard Martin
Tau Empire - 4045
0 / 11 / 9 / 11 / 11 / 3
48 Trent Northington
Eldar - Warhogs 4044
2 / 11 / 7 / 11 / 2 / 11
48 Matt Barlow
Tyranids - Left Coast Corsairs 4044
1 / 11 / 1 / 10 / 11 / 10
50 Karl Payne
Space Marines - 4043
10 / 0 / 10 / 2 / 11 / 10
50 Brian Delgado
Eldar - G4C 4043
0 / 11 / 10 / 11 / 10 / 1
50 Paul McKelvey
Tau Empire - Left Coast Corsairs 4043
10 / 6 / 6 / 10 / 11 / 0
50 Marcus Martin
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2016/02/10 16:59:41
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Anyone know why Nick Nanavati dropped out? I would have liked to have seen the double star on the top tables.
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2016/02/10 17:06:49
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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His first game he had 6 points and next game 0. Meaning he wasn't anywhere in the running for a top 8. Furthermore the second game likely left him a bit salty because he had little to no chance to win it after the pre game interviews took up a lot of time and left him with only 2 turns to play against a battle company. Time is already tight in these tournaments I don't think these pre game interviews should bite into play time.
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2016/02/10 17:44:32
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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His game two was against Isreal's Tau list, not Battle Company, but yea when in Vegas and things are going poorly dropping out is always an option. Not like he didn't have other mini war gaming options at the event itself.
Wonder if they had a side tournament for 40k after the end of round two, a type of event for those who just show up and don't play the main event or think it's best to drop and play a different event. Could just be a day two thing since after round three you know if you can make it or not for sure, and the choice becomes more open for more players.
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2016/02/10 17:44:44
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Relapse wrote:A friend ran his Orks there and told me it was a great tournament. It was the first one he had been to in years and he went went 4 and 2 running a lot of trukkaboyz in his list.
He thought about taking a Stompa, but decided instead to use the type of army he was most comfortable running.
In the end, he placed 54th and finished as the top Ork player, taking home a battle mat.
From what he tells me of the fun he had,I might have to try things out next year.
I'd love to see his list. 54th overall with Trukk boyz is a great finish.
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2016/02/10 18:20:43
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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An Analysis of the top 50 (actually 52 because of ties)
Eldar - 13
Space Marines - 6
Tau - 6
Dark Angels - 5
Necrons - 5
Renegades - 5
Daemons - 3
Cult Mechanicus - 3
Tyranids - 2
Sisters - 1
CSM - 1
Dark Eldar - 1
Grey Knights - 1
Inquisition - 1 <- What do you bet this was either Tau or Eldar?
A Few Observations
1) Eldar outnumber all other factions by more than 2-1.
2) A good Showing for Tau. They tied for 2nd with Space Marines, but because Space Marines outnumbered them hugely at the event, the Average Tau player significantly out performed the average Space Marine.
3) Renegades did very well. I wonder how many were in the field?
4) The following codexes were completely unrepresented in the top 50: IG (Astra Militarum). Blood Angels, KDK, Orks (Even with 400 point Stompa), Space Wolves, As well as these that are primarily supplements: Harlequins, Imperial Knights, Legion of the Damned, Militarum Tempestus, Assasins, Skitarii
5) I'm thinking Eldar were far more successful this year than last year, despite last LVO coming at the time that Serpent Spam was dominating the Meta.
6) This is exactly how I would rate the top power of the Codexes. Eldar above everything. Space Marines, Tau, Dark Angles, Necrons, and (apparently) Renegades grouped closely behind them. Then you've got the Ad Mech / Demon tier. Then Tyranids, then everybody else.
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2016/02/10 18:45:59
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Requizen wrote:Anyone know why Nick Nanavati dropped out? I would have liked to have seen the double star on the top tables.
His round 2 was on the Twitch live stream.
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Las Vegas Open Head Judge
I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings or pride, but your credentials matter. Even on the internet.
"If you do not have the knowledge, you do not have the right to the opinion." -Plato
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2016/02/10 20:07:56
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
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 OverwatchCNC wrote:Requizen wrote:Anyone know why Nick Nanavati dropped out? I would have liked to have seen the double star on the top tables.
His round 2 was on the Twitch live stream.
And was also discussed extensively a few pages ago in this very thread. 
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2016/02/10 20:14:27
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Yeah, I saw that he conceded the game because of reasons, but I didn't know that it was bad enough for him to drop out of the Championships altogether. I guess he just didn't want to continue playing because he had no shot at Top 8?
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2016/02/10 20:15:54
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Requizen wrote:Yeah, I saw that he conceded the game because of reasons, but I didn't know that it was bad enough for him to drop out of the Championships altogether. I guess he just didn't want to continue playing because he had no shot at Top 8?
Mostly that, partly because of how upset he was over the situation I think. Probably the smart thing to do when you're upset/on tilt and not likely to put your best foot forward in your next game. Mind you, a single 5-1 did make top 8.
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2016/02/10 20:20:56
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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Yeah, there were an unusual number of 5-1 and 5-0-1s. Only Steve Sisk went into the top 8 undefeated, and only barely lost on killpoints in the second to final round.
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2016/02/10 21:06:16
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Awesome Autarch
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Hey everyone, what a great time at the LVO! Finally back home, absolutely exhausted.
Lots to discuss, I will respond as soon as I can to some of the great feedback.
Thanks so much to everyone that came and made the event so much fun.
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2016/02/10 21:26:29
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Aaron's army has SW which is an integral part of his deathstar - to say SW weren't represented in the top 50 is very misleading.
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2016/02/10 21:27:39
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Anyone watch Fennel Play?
What did his star consist of? Was he just running all the ICs together? OR were the Wraiths running around with them as well?
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2016/02/10 21:35:48
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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 Dozer Blades wrote:Aaron's army has SW which is an integral part of his deathstar - to say SW weren't represented in the top 50 is very misleading.
Yep - I believe FLG only tracked primary army when we checked in, so that could be whatever the player selected (likely what their warlord was from). That's the problem with trying to boil codex performance down to event results of what people played - most had multiple codices. For instance, most Tau, including myself, were using some Eldar.
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2016/02/10 22:19:26
Subject: Re:Las Vegas Open 2016
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Fixture of Dakka
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Breazeal wrote:Anyone watch Fennel Play?
What did his star consist of? Was he just running all the ICs together? OR were the Wraiths running around with them as well?
Yes all his IC's were with the unit of wraiths.
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2016/02/10 23:09:12
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dozer Blades wrote:Aaron's army has SW which is an integral part of his deathstar - to say SW weren't represented in the top 50 is very misleading.
Definitely. Shaun had Dark Eldar with his Eldar, and I'm sure there are many other examples of this. If I had a list of all detachments, I would run those numbers, but the only data I have is for primary Detachment.
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2016/02/10 23:18:04
Subject: Las Vegas Open 2016
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dozer Blades wrote:Aaron's army has SW which is an integral part of his deathstar - to say SW weren't represented in the top 50 is very misleading.
One thing I'm trying to do when I label lists in my little data base is provide as much detail as possible. Aaron's list for example is Raven Wing - Space Wolves, since it's pretty even, while the second place list is Eldar - Corpse Thief Claw.
I remember the same thing happened in the Nova Open, the second place list was something like 60%+ Tau but it was under the Eldar umbrella, so it made Tau representation seem much worse. I think when Blood of Kittens did their stats on Tau its win percent was worse than CSM because of one player going 0-7 or something like that, but if you counted that list it was well over 50% win rate. More so if you just looked at Tau as a whole, their individual win rate was 50% or above for each player, except that one.
It's really hard labeling lists in 40k :/.
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