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I've developed an algorithm to derive point values for all units in the Age of Sigmar universe. It is a combination of Attack Rating against movement ability combined with Special Ability Rating. It is a fairly complex model, so I wont go into the details but I've played a few games and have had good results with balancing. Please feel free to use the point values below and comment on your results of balancing or just let me know your thoughts in general. Thanks. I don't have all the armies completed, just six (Bretonnia, Empire, Dwarfs, Warriors of Chaos, Vampire Counts, and High Elves).

Bretonnian Army
Bretonnia Men-At-Arms 12
Bretonnia Peasant Bowmen 12
Bretonnia Battle Pilgrims 21
Bretonnia Knights Errant 41
Bretonnia Knights of the Realm 43
Bretonnia Questing Knights 43
Bretonnia Grail Knights 44
Bretonnia Mounted Yeomen 48
Bretonnia Pegasus Knights 97
Bretonnia Damsel of the Lady 186
Bretonnia Paladin 195
Bretonnia Paladin Standard Bearer 204
Bretonnia Field Trebuchet 221
Bretonnia Bretonnian Lord 250
Bretonnia Green Knight 301
Bretonnia Fay Enchantress 362
Bretonnia Louen Leoncouer 537

Dwarven Army
Dwarfs Warriors 14
Dwarfs Thunderers 14
Dwarfs Quarrellers 14
Dwarfs Longbeards 16
Dwarfs Miners 17
Dwarfs Hammerers 26
Dwarfs Slayers 28
Dwarfs Ironbreakers 33
Dwarfs Irondrakes 36
Dwarfs Kraggi 109
Dwarfs Bolt Thrower 141
Dwarfs Grudge Thrower 144
Dwarfs Dwarf Engineer 164
Dwarfs Cannon 166
Dwarfs Thane Battle Standard 171
Dwarfs Runelord 174
Dwarfs Gyrocopter Brimstone 181
Dwarfs Organ Gun 183
Dwarfs Dwarf Lord 189
Dwarfs Josef Bugman 191
Dwarfs Dragon Slayers 193
Dwarfs Gyrobombers 200
Dwarfs Flame Cannon 211
Dwarfs Belegar Ironhammer 226
Dwarfs Grimm Burloksson 238
Dwarfs Ungrim Ironfist The Slayer King 254
Dwarfs Thorek Ironbrow 265
Dwarfs High King Thorgrim 324

Empire Army
Empire Empire Free Company 8
Empire Empire Archers 11
Empire Empire Crossbowmen 12
Empire Empire State Troops 13
Empire Empire Handgunners 15
Empire Empire Flagellants Warband 26
Empire Empire Greatswords 27
Empire Empire Pistoliers 35
Empire Empire Knights 38
Empire Empire Outriders 39
Empire Reiksguard Knights 40
Empire Demigryph Knights 87
Empire Empire Mortar 119
Empire Hellblaster Volley Gun 147
Empire Helstorm Rocket Battery 160
Empire Battle Wizard 160
Empire Witch Hunter 166
Empire Empire Master Engineer 174
Empire Master Engineer on Steed 181
Empire Markus Wulfhart 181
Empire Empire Cannon 182
Empire Warrior Priest 187
Empire Volkmar the Grim 191
Empire Grand Master Heirloom 193
Empire Luthor Huss 196
Empire Kurt Helborg 218
Empire Empire General 218
Empire Ludwig Schwarzheim 226
Empire Balthasar Gelt 264
Empire Valten 265
Empire Marius Leitdorf 278
Empire Luminark of Hysh Beam of Light 477
Empire War Altar of Sigmar with Volkmar Light 494
Empire Amber Wizard on Griffon 502
Empire General on Griffon 526
Empire Empire Steam Tank 527
Empire Celestial Hurricanum 558
Empire Karl Franz Runefang 735

High Elf Army
High Elves High Elf Archers 11
High Elves Lothern Sea Guard 14
High Elves High Elfmen 15
High Elves Shadow Warriors 29
High Elves Masters of Hoeth 30
High Elves White Lions of Chrace 30
High Elves Sisters of Averlon 31
High Elves Phoenix Guard 37
High Elves Silver Helms 38
High Elves Dragon Princes of Caledor 41
High Elves Ellyrian Reavers 42
High Elves Great Eagles 162
High Elves Tiranoc Chariotss 178
High Elves Korhil 182
High Elves High Elf Mage 189
High Elves Anointed of Asuryan 193
High Elves Handmaiden of the Everqueen 198
High Elves Loremaster of Hoeth 210
High Elves White Lion Chariotss 213
High Elves Lothern Sea Helm 222
High Elves Caradryan 232
High Elves Repeater Bolt Thrower Ithilmar 238
High Elves High Elf Prince Reaver 245
High Elves Alarielle The Radiant 275
High Elves Prince Althran 278
High Elves Lothern Skycutter 290
High Elves Teclis Moon 307
High Elves Lothern Sea Helm on Skycutter 342
High Elves Alith Anar, The Shadow King 344
High Elves High Elf Prince on Griffon 379
High Elves Tyrion Sunfang 390
High Elves Flamespyre Phoenix 535
High Elves Eltharion on Stormwing 542
High Elves Frostheart Phoenix 570
High Elves Archmage on Dragon 603
High Elves Dragon Mage Sunstaff 608
High Elves Prince Imrik, Dragonlord 627
High Elves High Elf Prince on Dragon 640

Warriors of Chaos Army
Warriors of Chaos Marauders of Chaos 12
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Warhounds 16
Warriors of Chaos Warriors of Chaos 20
Warriors of Chaos Forsaken 32
Warriors of Chaos Marauder Horsemen 33
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Familiars 43
Warriors of Chaos Hellstriders of Slaanesh 49
Warriors of Chaos Wrathmongers 53
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Knights 55
Warriors of Chaos Putrid Blightkings 56
Warriors of Chaos Skullreapers Gore-slick 59
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Trolls Vomit 86
Warriors of Chaos Skullcrushers of Khorne 99
Warriors of Chaos Dragon Ogres 118
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Spawn 157
Warriors of Chaos Exalted Hero with Battle Standard 176
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord of Slaanesh 207
Warriors of Chaos Crom the Conquerer 223
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Chariots 224
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord 225
Warriors of Chaos Skarr Bloodwrath 227
Warriors of Chaos Wulfrik the Wanderer 240
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Sorcerer Lord 247
Warriors of Chaos Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord 249
Warriors of Chaos Lammasu 249
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Chaos Sorcerer 258
Warriors of Chaos Khorne Exalted Hero 259
Warriors of Chaos Sigvald The Magnificent 268
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Chaos Lord 276
Warriors of Chaos Gutrot Spume 278
Warriors of Chaos Vilitch the Curseling 282
Warriors of Chaos Great Taurus Fire 284
Warriors of Chaos Festus The Leechlord 285
Warriors of Chaos Gorebest Chariots 286
Warriors of Chaos Scyla Anfingrimm Fists 286
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount 286
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Lord on Daemonic Mount 287
Warriors of Chaos Throgg Vomit 288
Warriors of Chaos Valkia The Bloody 295
Warriors of Chaos Lord of Slaanesh on Daemonic mount 295
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Nurgle 296
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Cursed 311
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Khorne 311
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Slaanesh 311
Warriors of Chaos Tzeentch Chaos Lord on Disc of Tzeentch 318
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Tzeentch 361
Warriors of Chaos Khorne Lord on Juggernaut 362
Warriors of Chaos Cockatrice 394
Warriors of Chaos Giant 412
Warriors of Chaos Hellcannon 436
Warriors of Chaos Slaughterbrute 436
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Sorcerer Lord on Manticore 444
Warriors of Chaos Mutalith Vortex 447
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Warshrine 452
Warriors of Chaos Be'lakor, Choas Daemon Prince 452
Warriors of Chaos Dragon Ogre Shaggoth 464
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord on Manticore 482
Warriors of Chaos Bloab Rotspawned 483
Warriors of Chaos Orghotts Daemonspew 553
Warriors of Chaos Galrauch 561
Warriors of Chaos Chimera 583
Warriors of Chaos Archaon, The Everchosen Slayer 585
Warriors of Chaos Morbidex Twiceborn 590
Warriors of Chaos The Glottkin 783

Vampire Counts Army
Vampire Counts Zombies 17
Vampire Counts Skeleton Warriors 20
Vampire Counts Crypt Ghouls 22
Vampire Counts Grave Guard 39
Vampire Counts Dire Wolves 42
Vampire Counts Black Knights 47
Vampire Counts Blood Knights 59
Vampire Counts Hexwraiths 65
Vampire Counts Fell Bats 92
Vampire Counts Spirit Hosts 103
Vampire Counts Vargheists 108
Vampire Counts Crypt Horrors 114
Vampire Counts Corpse Cart 172
Vampire Counts Necromancer 194
Vampire Counts Wight King 228
Vampire Counts Cairn Wraith 235
Vampire Counts Tomb Banshee 240
Vampire Counts Black Coach 260
Vampire Counts Vampire Lord 265
Vampire Counts Konrad Von Carstein 282
Vampire Counts Krell, Lord of the Undeath 296
Vampire Counts Morghast Harbingers 300
Vampire Counts Morghast Archai 303
Vampire Counts Isabella Von Carstein 303
Vampire Counts Bat Swarms 307
Vampire Counts Strigoi Ghoul King 315
Vampire Counts Heinrich Kemmler, The Lichemaster 344
Vampire Counts Vampire Lord on Abyssal Terror 356
Vampire Counts Count Mannfred 361
Vampire Counts Vlad Von Carstein 382
Vampire Counts Varghulf 384
Vampire Counts Mortis Engine 400
Vampire Counts Coven Throne 475
Vampire Counts Neferata, Mortarch of Blood 591
Vampire Counts Arkhan the Black 642
Vampire Counts Mannfred, Mortarch of Night 674
Vampire Counts Terrorgheist 760
Vampire Counts Zombie Dragon 776
Vampire Counts Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead 997

This is very interesting indeed!

I'd normally put this in "Proposed Rules" but...I'd like to get a lot more input on it than might be forthcoming if it went there, so...

You should probably share your 'math' as well - we've got some really smart people on here that would be interested/could help!

Thanks for posting this!

It's sad to see the points so high, was hoping the community would be able to get each unit a point cost off 1 to 10.

With the points being so varied it looks like it's going to be over complicated again.

I would hope you can get the points down to lower numbers, should it realy matter if you can only buy units in groups and add to a unit in groups. If say zombies are 2 points for 10 or a unit of skaven slaves/clan are 1 point each 20 or 10.

But I am guessing without GW or changing the rules you need the high points to balance out the huge variance each model or unit can have :(

 Alpharius wrote:
This is very interesting indeed!

I'd normally put this in "Proposed Rules" but...I'd like to get a lot more input on it than might be forthcoming if it went there, so...

You should probably share your 'math' as well - we've got some really smart people on here that would be interested/could help!

Thanks for posting this!

The equation is this:

Total Points = Round(Total Attack Rating + Other Rating)/(((Minimum # of Models in the unit)+1)/2),0)

Total Attack Rating = (Attack Rating Weapon 1 + Attack Rating Weapon 2 + ....)*10
Attack Rating Weapon # = ((((Model Movement/12)+(Range of Weapon)/12))*(# of Attacks)*((7-(To Hit))/6)*((7-(To Wound))/6)*(Damage))*(6/(6-(Rend)))
Other Rating = (7-(Save))*10+(bravery)*2+(Wounds)*20+Special Ability Rating
Special Ability Rating = (Enhancements)*5+(Specials)*10+(Super)*25+(Ultra)*50

I have multiplied the ratings by factors to add arbitrary weights as I deemed appropriate for balancing (example: 20 points per Wound)
I have arbitrarily on personal opinion weighted each individual model's Special Abilities and weighted each one for the Special Ability Rating

Future use reference of the above Point System should be referred to as the Texas Point System.


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I have also been looking into a progressive Wound Point Rating to put more weight on High Wound Models than just 20 points per wound, for instance:

Wounds Points
1 5
2 15
3 30
4 50
5 75
6 105
7 140
8 180
9 225
10 275
11 330
12 390
13 455
14 525
15 600
16 680
17 765
18 855
19 950
20 1050


I think this would better the rate the toughness to kill individual models with more wounds compared to low wound models.

I like the effort you're putting in here!

Apple fox wrote:
It's sad to see the points so high, was hoping the community would be able to get each unit a point cost off 1 to 10.

With the points being so varied it looks like it's going to be over complicated again.

I would hope you can get the points down to lower numbers, should it realy matter if you can only buy units in groups and add to a unit in groups. If say zombies are 2 points for 10 or a unit of skaven slaves/clan are 1 point each 20 or 10.

But I am guessing without GW or changing the rules you need the high points to balance out the huge variance each model or unit can have :(

http://www.louisvillewargaming.com/Files/AzyrComp.pdf

Apple fox wrote:
It's sad to see the points so high, was hoping the community would be able to get each unit a point cost off 1 to 10.

With the points being so varied it looks like it's going to be over complicated again.

I would hope you can get the points down to lower numbers, should it realy matter if you can only buy units in groups and add to a unit in groups. If say zombies are 2 points for 10 or a unit of skaven slaves/clan are 1 point each 20 or 10.

But I am guessing without GW or changing the rules you need the high points to balance out the huge variance each model or unit can have :(

The higher the points per model, the more balanced and fair the game will be because of variation you can give.

As for the rule set, it looks pretty good. Definitely would like to see you do Lizardman, WE, and DE so I can make better comparison. It is much easier to see how accurate the system is if you are able to compare between the elf factions since they are so similar.

I have to agree with that. While it makes quick calculations in your head harder, the broader the spectrum the more fine-tuning you can do.

That's why most systems don't use D6 or use them in either big numbers or require several rolls - a good example is the to hit and to wound roll - you need them both to make it even remotely sensible, while you could have a single high roll to make on d20 that incorporates both values and translates them to 1-20 spectrum.

This way instead of rolling 4+ and then 3+ (50% and 75% afterwards) you could set the roll at 13+.They aren't exactly the same as the former is 37.5% chance and the latter is 35%, but it's similar enough while removing the unnecessary second roll.

Same goes with stats - it was ridiculous that an elf with flimsy two-handed sword hit like an ogre in WFB, and it was just because there's only so much you can differentiate with 1-10 stats where humans are S3 and ogres S4.

So, as I said, while it's less visually pleasing and comfortable for quick equations in your head, higher points give you much more flexibility and allow for even very subtle, but decisive changes to the units to best reflect their worth. :-)

Although I see OP is making the same thing with Greatswords compared to regular State Troops being over 2x their cost while not being two times better (at least in my opinion), which lead to them being totally unplayable in WFB..!

Edit: I hate Dakka smileys, they always look so smug and douchy! :'D

HalfBlood wrote:

Apple fox wrote:


As for the rule set, it looks pretty good. Definitely would like to see you do Lizardman, WE, and DE so I can make better comparison. It is much easier to see how accurate the system is if you are able to compare between the elf factions since they are so similar.

I'll be out of town for a few days, but will get those Army Lists out when I get back, starting with Lizardmen

Here are the next two armies; i'll work on the other Elves this week. As with any army using raise unit spells it can be tricky to judge point values, but here is my effort. As always, let me know your thoughts.

Lizardmen Army
Lizardmen Lord Kroak 600
Lizardmen Slann Mage-Priest 386
Lizardmen Korq-gar On Carnosaur 598
Lizardmen Saurus Oldblood 345
Lizardmen Saurus Oldblood on Cold One 374
Lizardmen Chakax, The Eternity Warden 342
Lizardmen Gor-Rok 392
Lizardmen Scar-Veteran with Battle Standard 329
Lizardmen Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur 559
Lizardmen Saurus Warriors 30
Lizardmen Temple Guard 59
Lizardmen Saurus Cavalry 66
Lizardmen Tehenhauin, Prophet of Sotek 337
Lizardmen Teto'eko 264
Lizardmen Oxyotl 277
Lizardmen Slink Priest 278
Lizardmen Skink Chief 235
Lizardmen Skinks 25
Lizardmen Chameleon Skinks 51
Lizardmen Terradon Riders 129
Lizardmen Ripperdactyl Riders 122
Lizardmen Skink Handlers 14
Lizardmen Salamanders 114
Lizardmen Razordons 126
Lizardmen Kroxigor 135
Lizardmen Stegadon Javelins 514
Lizardmen Engine of the Gods 523
Lizardmen Bastiladon 543
Lizardmen Troglodon 521
Lizardmen Jungle Swarms 142

Stormcast Eternals Army
Stormcast Eternals Lord Celestant 243
Stormcast Eternals Judicators 47
Stormcast Eternals Lord Celestant on Dracoth 310
Stormcast Eternals Lord Relictor 208
Stormcast Eternals Lord Castellant 214
Stormcast Eternals Decimators 49
Stormcast Eternals Protectors 44
Stormcast Eternals Retributors 67
Stormcast Eternals Liberators 36
Stormcast Eternals Prosecutors Celestial 54
Stormcast Eternals Gryph-Hounds 108

Dum question but, I'm guessing the points is per model? So I'm guessing one singular Men-at-arms is 12points. So if you took 20 of em' it would be 12 * 20

MadMarkMagee wrote:
Dum question but, I'm guessing the points is per model? So I'm guessing one singular Men-at-arms is 12points. So if you took 20 of em' it would be 12 * 20

Correct - All points are on a per model basis

Not to crash the party, but Project Points Cost is way ahead of you with points for every unit in every army, as well as a comp system complete with basic scenarios.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655717.page

How do they compare to the results of The Formula here?

Difficult to say since PPC looks to have a lower average points cost, but even compensating for proportion there looks to be a decent degree of difference between the two. However, PPC is also accounting for their comp, which includes a -1 penalty for shooting into/out of melee, and revamps summoning (you pay points to upgrade a wizard with a summoning spell). Altogether it's really hard to say without playing a bunch of games using points from each side.

I would like to see the community (or as much of it as possible) uniting around a single points system, to focus playtesting and get whatever degree of commonality we can. PPC looks to be the objectively better choice as it already has all the units and several rounds of playtesting from a number of individuals. And its own website, for that matter:

http://ageofwargamers.blogspot.se/2015/07/ppc-age-of-sigmar-army-lists.html

But really I'm not the expert here, the big contributors in the thread I linked above would be the ones to talk to. I'm just a happy player for the most part.

I'm trying to compete with PPC in any way and there are stark differences between both systems. I'm just a singular person who came up with my own point system and put it up here for others to use if they want. I don't play in tournaments just with friends for fun and we saw that something needed to be done to balance our games. If the community wants to decide on a single point system to use for tournaments then PPC would probably be a better choice as they have spent much more time on this effort.

In any case, I'll continue to post army lists as I get to them; next up Dark Elves. FYI - Wood Elves coming this afternoon.

Dark Elves Army
Dark Elves Malekith, The Witch King Destroyer 748
Dark Elves Malus Darkblade 257
Dark Elves Dreadlord 168
Dark Elves Dreadlord on Black Dragon 541
Dark Elves Dreadlord on Cold One 243
Dark Elves Dark Elf Sorceress 169
Dark Elves Sorceress on Black Dragon 567
Dark Elves Sorceress on Cold One 209
Dark Elves Cold One Knights 50
Dark Elves Cold One Chariots 138
Dark Elves Beastmaster on Manticore 304
Dark Elves Black Ark Fleetmaster 180
Dark Elves Lokhir Fellheart 199
Dark Elves Black Ark Corsairs 15
Dark Elves Master with Battle Standard 192
Dark Elves Dreadspears 15
Dark Elves Darkshards 15
Dark Elves Dark Riders 39
Dark Elves Shades 23
Dark Elves Reaper Bolt Thrower 192
Dark Elves Harpies 18
Dark Elves Scourgerunner Charriots 211
Dark Elves War Hydra 440
Dark Elves Doomfire Warlocks 47
Dark Elves Kharibdyss 367
Dark Elves Sisters of Slaughter 26
Dark Elves Morathi 297
Dark Elves Bloodwrack Medusae 301
Dark Elves Bloodwrack Shrine 462
Dark Elves Cauldron of Blood 402
Dark Elves Witch Elves 19
Dark Elves Hellebron 195
Dark Elves Shadowblade 235
Dark Elves Death Hag 153
Dark Elves Dark Elf Assassin 189
Dark Elves Har Ganeth Executioners 30

Um, have you taken a look at this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655717.page

Yours look pretty good as well, I'll get some feedback done when I do some tests with his and your point values.

 saithor wrote:
Um, have you taken a look at this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655717.page

Yours look pretty good as well, I'll get some feedback done when I do some tests with his and your point values.

I have not, but thank you for the link; I'll take a look. Also, thank you and I appreciate any feedback (especially from armies heavy on spells/ summoning units).

Anyways, here is the next army list, Wood Elves:

Wood Elves Araloth Bow of Loren 223
Wood Elves Glade Captain Battle Standard 219
Wood Elves Glade Lord 228
Wood Elves Glade Lord on Great Eagle 322
Wood Elves Great Lord on Great Stag 270
Wood Elves Glade Lord on Forest Dragon 489
Wood Elves Mounted Glade Lord 206
Wood Elves Orion, King of the Woods 491
Wood Elves Hunting Hounds 44
Wood Elves Wild Riders 44
Wood Elves The Sisters of Twilight on Forest Dragon 610
Wood Elves Spellweaver 211
Wood Elves Shadowdancer 191
Wood Elves Wardancers 26
Wood Elves Waywatcher Lord 191
Wood Elves Waywatchers 28
Wood Elves Glade Guard 13
Wood Elves Glade Riders 36
Wood Elves Eternal Guard 19
Wood Elves Wildwood Rangers 27
Wood Elves Warhawk Riders 112
Wood Elves Sisters of the Thorn 48
Wood Elves Great Eagles 105
Wood Elves Branchwraith 208
Wood Elves Dryads 24
Wood Elves Tree Kin 88
Wood Elves Durthu 476
Wood Elves Treeman 435
Wood Elves Treeman Ancient 448



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Bonus Army today, Tomb Kings:

Tomb King Army
Tomb Kings Settra the Imperishable 497
Tomb Kings High Queen Khalida 294
Tomb Kings Tomb King Dynastic 233
Tomb Kings Tomb King in Royal Chariot 310
Tomb Kings Prince Apophas 258
Tomb Kings Tomb Herald 237
Tomb Kings Liche Priest 172
Tomb Kings Casket of Souls 291
Tomb Kings Skeleton Warriors 21
Tomb Kings Skeleton Archers 22
Tomb Kings Skeleton Horsemen 61
Tomb Kings Skeleton Horse Archers 61
Tomb Kings Skeleton Chariots 137
Tomb Kings Tomb Guard 38
Tomb Kings Necrotect 170
Tomb Kings Necropolis Knights 127
Tomb Kings Tomb Scorpions 190
Tomb Kings Ushabti Great 163
Tomb Kings Khemrian Warsphinx 485
Tomb Kings Royal Warsphinx 546
Tomb Kings Necrosphinx 620
Tomb Kings Sepulchral Stalkers 138
Tomb Kings Bone Giant 324
Tomb Kings Screaming Skull Catapult 186
Tomb Kings Carrion 120
Tomb Kings Tomb Swarm 155

Been a while, but here is another Army list:

Daemons of Chaos:
Daemons of Chaos Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage 530
Daemons of Chaos Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury 553
Daemons of Chaos Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster 744
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut Blade 206
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut 256
Daemons of Chaos Blood Throne of Khorne 278
Daemons of Chaos Bloodletters of Khorne 21
Daemons of Chaos Bloodcrushers of Khorne 104
Daemons of Chaos Karanak 257
Daemons of Chaos Flesh Hounds of Khorne 47
Daemons of Chaos Skull Cannons of Khorne 224
Daemons of Chaos Great Unclean One 541
Daemons of Chaos Epidemius 277
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Nurgle 205
Daemons of Chaos Plaguebearers of Nurgle 25
Daemons of Chaos Plague Drones of Nurgle 121
Daemons of Chaos Nurglings 76
Daemons of Chaos Beasts of Nurgle 149
Daemons of Chaos Kairos Fateweaver 461
Daemons of Chaos Lord of Change 510
Daemons of Chaos The Changling 244
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Tzeentch 306
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot 452
Daemons of Chaos The Blue Scribes 265
Daemons of Chaos Pink Horrors of Tzeentch 26
Daemons of Chaos Exalted Flamers 172
Daemons of Chaos Flamers of Tzeentch 109
Daemons of Chaos Screamers of Tzeentch 87
Daemons of Chaos Burning Chariots of tzeentch 433
Daemons of Chaos Keeper of Secrets 565
Daemons of Chaos The Masque of Slaanesh 204
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Slaanesh 211
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Slaanesh on Seeker Chariot 236
Daemons of Chaos Herald of Slaanesh on Exalted Seeker Chariot 340
Daemons of Chaos Daemonettes of Slaanesh 23
Daemons of Chaos Seekers of Slaanesh 53
Daemons of Chaos Fiends of Slaanesh 127
Daemons of Chaos Seeker Chariots of Slaanesh 241
Daemons of Chaos Exalted Seeker Chariots of Slaanesh 310
Daemons of Chaos Hellflayers of Slaanesh 232
Daemons of Chaos Furies 37
Daemons of Chaos Soul Grinder 596
Daemons of Chaos Daemon Prince Cursed 282
Daemons of Chaos Daemon Prince Khorne 282
Daemons of Chaos Daemon Prince Nurgle 267
Daemons of Chaos Daemon Prince Tzeentch 332
Daemons of Chaos Daemon Prince Slaanesh 282

Next Army List: Ogre Kingdoms

Not sure if anyone is using these, but i'm so close to being done with them all, i might as well finish. The rest of the Army lists to follow.

Ogre Kingdoms Army List:

Ogre Kingdoms Greasus Goldtooth 268
Ogre Kingdoms Skrag the Slaughterer 324
Ogre Kingdoms Tyrant 279
Ogre Kingdoms Brag the Gutsman 246
Ogre Kingdoms Bruiser Standard Bearer 256
Ogre Kingdoms Butcher 270
Ogre Kingdoms Ogres 85
Ogre Kingdoms Ironguts 87
Ogre Kingdoms Leadbelchers 74
Ogre Kingdoms Gorgers 121
Ogre Kingdoms Ironblaster 307
Ogre Kingdoms Gnoblar Scraplauncher 297
Ogre Kingdoms Gnoblar Fighters 10
Ogre Kingdoms Firebelly 278
Ogre Kingdoms Hunter 215
Ogre Kingdoms Sabretusks 50
Ogre Kingdoms Mournfang Cavalry 168
Ogre Kingdoms Stonehorn 508
Ogre Kingdoms Thundertusk 810
Ogre Kingdoms Golgfag Maneater 255
Ogre Kingdoms Maneaters 110
Ogre Kingdoms Yhetes 69
Ogre Kingdoms Giant 407

Oxyotl is super overpriced. :(

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 LeCacty wrote:
Oxyotl is super overpriced. :(

I've reviewed the Lizardmen army in general and agree they seemed to be almost all overpriced, see below for revised point listing.

Lizardmen Army List:

Lizardmen Lord Kroak 600
Lizardmen Slann Mage-Priest 386
Lizardmen Korq-gar On Carnosaur Gauntlet 548
Lizardmen Saurus Oldblood Maul 345
Lizardmen Saurus Oldblood on Cold One War-pick 324
Lizardmen Chakax, The Eternity Warden Mace 292
Lizardmen Gor-Rok War-mace 342
Lizardmen Scar-Veteran with Battle Standard War-pick 279
Lizardmen Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur Warblade 509
Lizardmen Saurus Warriors Club 25
Lizardmen Temple Guard Polearm 59
Lizardmen Saurus Cavalry Blade 58
Lizardmen Tehenhauin, Prophet of Sotek Serpents 287
Lizardmen Teto'eko 264
Lizardmen Oxyotl Blowpipe 227
Lizardmen Slink Priest Starbolt 228
Lizardmen Skink Chief Blowpipe 194
Lizardmen Skinks Javelin 20
Lizardmen Chameleon Skinks Dartpipe 43
Lizardmen Terradon Riders Javelin 117
Lizardmen Ripperdactyl Riders War-Spear 110
Lizardmen Skink Handlers 12
Lizardmen Salamanders Fire 102
Lizardmen Razordons Spikes 113
Lizardmen Kroxigor Maul 136
Lizardmen Stegadon Javelins 464
Lizardmen Engine of the Gods Javelins 473
Lizardmen Bastiladon Beam 493
Lizardmen Troglodon Spittle 471
Lizardmen Jungle Swarms 142

Well, the range of the pt costs is too big.
I'd prefer the azyr comp system.

I'm confused as to why you need points

 marielle wrote:
I'm confused as to why you need points

It's a thing people think they need in order to play. Without points the game seems unplayable for some reason.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure why you need models. Aren't bits of cardboard or coins enough?



I'm seriously impressed with the amount of work you're putting into this. Is your group playing with it at all?

 Spinner wrote:
Meanwhile, I'm not sure why you need models. Aren't bits of cardboard or coins enough?



I'm seriously impressed with the amount of work you're putting into this. Is your group playing with it at all?

We have played with these points for four battles; we haven't been able to get together much the last month. One of the main reasons I'm doing this for all armies and posting here is to hopefully get others to try it out and post their battle reports as to their validity. Also, I am the type of person that prefers a balancing system over "User balancing". I think with a point value system you can have more units playable. Is the point system I've derived perfect, not at all. But I do think it's pretty good and close to accurate; this is tough as many armies are so different from each other.

Anyways, hope you all enjoy! I'll be updating with the final army listings soon I hope.