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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 15:42:25
Subject: Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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[MOD]
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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Yamamoto's primary objective at Midway was to destroy the US carriers. If he had managed this, he would also have captured Midway itself as an outpost. The purpose in attackng Midway was to draw the US carriers out to defend it.
Japan's overall war strategy from the beginning was to create a strategic defense perimeter of islands surroundnig important resources like the Dutch East Indies oil fields. Therefore if Midway had been a success for the Japanese, they would have been very unlikely to attack further towards the NA continent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 15:57:30
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Back on topic, so are there a lot of WW2 revisionists in the Japanese politics? They hold offices and stuff?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 16:10:29
Subject: Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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The current Abe administration has received heavy criticism for endorsing denialism in regards to Japanese history. There was an upset some time ago about some education ministry (something like that) making an argument the implied a denial on the Nanking massacre.
So yeah. They run for office, get appointed, etc. It's becoming a growing trend in conservative Japanese politics, especially in relation to foreign policy towards China.
EDIT: This is the bit on his historical views from Wikipedia (Shinzo Abe is the current PM of Japan)
Abe is widely viewed as a right-wing nationalist.[48][49][50] The British journalist Rupert Wingfield-Hayes of BBC described him as "far more right wing than most of his predecessors."[51] Since 1997, as the bureau chief of the 'Institute of Junior Assembly Members Who Think About the Outlook of Japan and History Education', Abe led the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform. On his official homepage[52] he questions the extent to which coercion was applied toward the comfort women, dismissing South Korean "revisionism" as foreign interference in Japanese domestic affairs. In a Diet session on October 6, 2006, Abe revised his statement regarding comfort women, and said that he accepted the report issued in 1993 by the sitting cabinet secretary, Yōhei Kōno, where the Japanese government officially acknowledged the issue. Later in the session, Abe stated his belief that Class A war criminals are not criminals under Japan's domestic law.[53]
In a meeting of the Lower House Budget Committee in February 2006, Shinzō Abe said, 'There is a problem as to how to define aggressive wars; we cannot say it is decided academically',[54] and 'It is not the business of the government to decide how to define the last world war. I think we have to wait for the estimation of historians'.[54] However, on a TV program in July 2006[55] he denied that Manchukuo was a puppet state.
Abe published a book called Toward a Beautiful Nation (美しい国へ Utsukushii kuni e?) in July 2006, which became a bestseller in Japan. In this book, he says that Class A war criminals (those charged with crimes against peace) who were adjudicated in the Tokyo Tribunal after World War II were not war criminals in the eye of domestic law.[citation needed] The Korean and Chinese governments, as well as noted academics and commentators, have voiced concern about Abe's historical views.[56][57][58]
In March 2007, in response to a United States Congress resolution by Mike Honda, Abe denied any government coercion in the recruitment of comfort women during World War II,[59] in line with a statement made almost ten years before on the same issue, in which Abe voiced his opposition to the inclusion of the subject of military prostitution in several school textbooks and then denied any coercion in the "narrow" sense of the word, environmental factors notwithstanding.[60]
However, it provoked negative reaction from Asian and western countries, for example, a New York Times editorial on March 6, 2007:
What part of 'Japanese Army sex slaves' does Japan's prime minister, Shinzo Abe, have so much trouble understanding and apologizing for? ... These were not commercial brothels. Force, explicit and implicit, was used in recruiting these women. What went on in them was serial rape, not prostitution. The Japanese Army's involvement is documented in the government's own defense files. A senior Tokyo official more or less apologized for this horrific crime in 1993...Yesterday, [Abe] grudgingly acknowledged the 1993 quasi-apology, but only as part of a pre-emptive declaration that his government would reject the call, now pending in the United States Congress, for an official apology. America isn't the only country interested in seeing Japan belatedly accept full responsibility. [South] Korea and China are also infuriated by years of Japanese equivocations over the issue.[61]
The American newspaper Washington Post editorial, "Shinzo Abe's Double Talk" (March 24, 2007), also criticized him: "he's passionate about Japanese victims of North Korea—and blind to Japan's own war crimes".[62] A March 2, 2014 New York Times editorial called Abe a "nationalist" who is a profound threat to American-Japanese relations,[63] and a November 14, 2014 opinion piece labeled Abe's position on the subject of comfort women a "war on truth." [64]
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 16:24:51
Subject: Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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kronk wrote:Back on topic, so are there a lot of WW2 revisionists in the Japanese politics? They hold offices and stuff?
Don't know about Japan, sure seem like a lot here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 16:35:16
Subject: Re:Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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generalgrog wrote:ONTOPIC... was either atomic bomb "necessary"? I think from a strategic standpoint in hindsight, probably not. However, it's Monday morning quarterbacking to decry the use of them as a warcrime. After okinawa, the USA wasn't going to go through another bloodbath, if they could avoid it. And the mass bombing of cities, had already been an established doctrine in ww2, so.. to the planners of the time, it wouldn't be any different than the firebombing of Tokyo, or the bombing of Dresden or London.
That is not on topic. That is more off topic. On topic, the japanese government issued official apologies abroad, but domestically, they did very little to stiffle negationism and improve awareness on their war crimes...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 17:02:50
Subject: Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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[MOD]
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Here is a very good article by a Japanese BBC journalist on the teaching of WW2 in Japanese schools.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/658765.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 17:14:22
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What an excellent Rick Roll!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 17:26:12
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Why did you have to do that? Why? I had almost got over it...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 17:40:38
Subject: Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Abe published a book called Toward a Beautiful Nation (美しい国へ Utsukushii kuni e?) in July 2006, which became a bestseller in Japan. In this book, he says that Class A war criminals (those charged with crimes against peace) who were adjudicated in the Tokyo Tribunal after World War II were not war criminals in the eye of domestic law.[citation needed] The Korean and Chinese governments, as well as noted academics and commentators, have voiced concern about Abe's historical views.[56][57][58]
Well at least not everyone is buying it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 20:04:54
Subject: Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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Sorry guys, that was a Cut and Paste fail on a tablet.
Here is the article I wanted to mention.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 20:30:18
Subject: Re:Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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I think the present administration (Japan) is tired of WWII atrocities being used as a beat stick against them being they (present people in administration) have nothing to do with the issue.
Its like the attempt of US Government today issuing a official apology to Black Americans on behalf of Confederate State Government.
Also came across article that Japan is kind "OF" getting back into the aircraft carrier business
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 20:33:22
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Aircraft carriers are so 20th century. Low orbital, now there's the bomb....
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 20:36:44
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Jihadin wrote:Its like the attempt of US Government today issuing a official apology to Black Americans on behalf of Confederate State Government.
Which US Government? The one Federal government? One of the fifty State Governments? One of the numerous local governments? We aren't even getting to principalities, territories, ect.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 21:05:07
Subject: Re:Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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Ahtman wrote: Jihadin wrote:Its like the attempt of US Government today issuing a official apology to Black Americans on behalf of Confederate State Government.
Which US Government? The one Federal government? One of the fifty State Governments? One of the numerous local governments? We aren't even getting to principalities, territories, ect.
All the above
Not sure of your um....vintage Ahtman but....
The British, the Vatican, the Germans and the South Africans have all issued formal apologies for their official cruelties, and each case has had a cleansing, even liberating effect. The United States Congress apologized to African-Americans for slavery in 2009, though it came with a caveat that the mea culpa could not be used as legal rationale for reparations.
And President Bill Clinton, while in Africa in 1998, apologized for the slave trade, but not for a government that institutionalized white supremacy during its first four score and change.
North Korea at that time was getting quite feisty, we were getting settled in Bosnia and Kosovo was going batfeth crazy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 21:54:09
Subject: Re:Japan revisionists deny WW2 sex slave atrocities
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Well people say, attribute, and misrepresent things that happen when it comes to the US government(s) so it isn't that strange to want some sort of attribution for an un-sourced statement. I am sure there has been some work across the field dealing with racial issues but without knowing specifically what you are referring to it is kind of hard to examine it.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 22:30:17
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The Conquerer
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Kilkrazy wrote:Yamamoto's primary objective at Midway was to destroy the US carriers.
You sure about this?
The US carriers being there was unknown to the Japanese, the US actually had set a trap after breaking the Japanese codes. I'm pretty sure the goal of Midway was to capture the island as a strategic forward base to extend their reach farther.
The Japanese didn't realize the US carrier fleet was there till after they launched their attack. I think the hope was that the US fleet would react to Midway being occupied, not any hope of catching them at or around Midway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 22:30:40
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Jihadin wrote:I think the present administration (Japan) is tired of WWII atrocities being used as a beat stick against them being they (present people in administration) have nothing to do with the issue.
Gibberish. They have nothing to do with the issue? The hell is that suppose to mean? You are the head of a state, you got to deal with what your predecessors left you and that is NOT optional. No "I did not took this loan personnally so the debt does not exist", no "I did not vote this treaty myself so I will pretend it does not exist" and no "I did not personally rape and kill and enslave and conducte inhuman "scientific" experiments on thousands of Chineses and Koreans and ... so history is irrelevant and I totally do not have to account for it".
They totally have everything to do with how the memories of the war crimes are handled, they are doing a crappy work and they totally deserve a LOT of flak for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 22:35:52
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The Conquerer
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I certainly think at some point you are no longer responsible and don't have to face any repercussions. But they are attempting to deny the events occurred which is its own category of disgusting.
Like how Iran wasn't responsible for the Holocaust, but they are disgusting for denying it happened. Present day Japan isn't in any way responsible for what Japan did in WW2, but they're dirtbags if they try to deny that it happened.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 22:35:56
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Jihadin wrote:I think the present administration (Japan) is tired of WWII atrocities being used as a beat stick against them being they (present people in administration) have nothing to do with the issue.
Gibberish. They have nothing to do with the issue? The hell is that suppose to mean? You are the head of a state, you got to deal with what your predecessors left you and that is NOT optional. No "I did not took this loan personnally so the debt does not exist", no "I did not vote this treaty myself so I will pretend it does not exist" and no "I did not personally rape and kill and enslave and conducte inhuman "scientific" experiments on thousands of Chineses and Koreans and ... so history is irrelevant and I totally do not have to account for it". They totally have everything to do with how the memories of the war crimes are handled, they are doing a crappy work and they totally deserve a LOT of flak for it. Not only have they repeatedly said sorry etc it is in no way their duty to say anything. Just like I will not say sorry for anything my father may have done and nor would I expect my sun to say sorry for something on my behalf. The concept is silly. The people expecting those who had nothing to do with the events say sorry on someone else's behalf (are those people even sorry?) is a complete waste of time. "I am sorry some people did something nasty to some people long ago, feel better yet?" It's not a big deal at all. As someone said above however, denying it is a problem...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 23:11:38
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 23:20:13
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I wont run for prime minister as long as people like you are there to govern If someone has an issue with someones father/a countries ancestors then unfortunately for them they will never not be angry. Explain please how Japan will make these hateful attitudes go away by saying sorry over and over? Seems like a waste of money to me. This goes for any country. Saying sorry does nothing. Automatically Appended Next Post: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Swastakowey wrote:Explain please how Japan will make these hateful attitudes go away by saying sorry over and over? Seems like a waste of money to me. This goes for any country. Saying sorry does nothing.
See my edit. Learn how Germany did it. Get a hint, basically.
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Also you might want to learn that there are still survivors from those times.
So you think survivors care that some random people who did nothing to them said sorry?
The only problem here is that some Japanese deny it happened. Other than that, there is no need for anything else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 12:01:19
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Frazzled wrote: kronk wrote:Back on topic, so are there a lot of WW2 revisionists in the Japanese politics? They hold offices and stuff?
Don't know about Japan, sure seem like a lot here.
Trying to equate having a debate about the merits of the atomic bombings with flat-out denial of stuff like Nanking or the "comfort women" is dishonest and rude at best.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 12:31:56
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Frazzled wrote: kronk wrote:Back on topic, so are there a lot of WW2 revisionists in the Japanese politics? They hold offices and stuff?
Don't know about Japan, sure seem like a lot here.
Trying to equate having a debate about the merits of the atomic bombings with flat-out denial of stuff like Nanking or the "comfort women" is dishonest and rude at best.
Strange, thats how I feel when I see misguided idiots equating the Allies with the Axis powers in terms of war crimes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 13:44:03
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Frazzled wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Frazzled wrote: kronk wrote:Back on topic, so are there a lot of WW2 revisionists in the Japanese politics? They hold offices and stuff?
Don't know about Japan, sure seem like a lot here.
Trying to equate having a debate about the merits of the atomic bombings with flat-out denial of stuff like Nanking or the "comfort women" is dishonest and rude at best.
Strange, thats how I feel when I see misguided idiots equating the Allies with the Axis powers in terms of war crimes.
Where is anyone making that claim? You're right that doing so would be silly, but that's not the majority of the stuff you're arguing against in this thread, so I'm a bit confused as to why it enters the discussion at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 14:29:47
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You must have skipped to the end and not read the previous ten pages.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 14:32:55
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Frazzled wrote:You must have skipped to the end and not read the previous ten pages.
You're not getting away that easily. I can't read your mind, so I need you to point me to where the overaching argument is that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were equivalent to the friggin' Holocaust.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 14:54:08
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Vaktathi and Shadow Captain's posts. I'm not reposting half the thread thanks.
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We seem to have taken this argument beyind its logical conclusion, plus it is now past the 70th anniversary of Nagasaki bombing so I think this is a good point to close the thread.
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