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 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

yes.

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

Nope.

 whembly wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

Nope.

Depends what parts.

 Frazzled wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

Nope.

Depends what parts.

Well.... yeah, you're right.

I'll revise my answer to "it depends".

 Frazzled wrote:

Depends what parts.

overall life for common people / family

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

Hell no.

We have internet, now. And Game of Thrones. And D&D. And more vaccines. And my wife can work and make good money. I can play Bubble Witch on my iPhone while I drop the kids off at the pool while listening to Pandora radio.

feth the 50s. THIS is the golden age.

 gorgon wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Unfortunately, they spoil themselves with root beer

And you say this only because you like birch beer a little more...right?

Because otherwise that's just crazy talk that can only end in drone strikes.

Bring it on

USA? I re-name you who-sa?

Born and raised here. I love America, but an some stuff needs to change. We are in 2015 and the people running it still live in 1950. A bunch of old White people who are afraid of change, and instead of embrace it they fight it every chance they get.

I am not sure if I would stay if I had the chance to leave.

 kronk wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

Hell no.

We have internet, now. And Game of Thrones. And D&D. And more vaccines. And my wife can work and make good money. I can play Bubble Witch on my iPhone while I drop the kids off at the pool while listening to Pandora radio.

feth the 50s. THIS is the golden age.

Sir Kronk is right again!

One of the big "it depends" regarding the '50s is who you were. If you were a white male, things were pretty good so long as you weren't fighting in Korea, and could roll with the paranoia about the Commies ready to turn our quaint towns and villages into radioactive craters.

If you were a woman or non-white...not such a good time, methinks.

 gorgon wrote:
One of the big "it depends" regarding the '50s is who you were. If you were a white male, things were pretty good so long as you weren't fighting in Korea, and could roll with the paranoia about the Commies ready to turn our quaint towns and villages into radioactive craters.

If you were a woman or non-white...not such a good time, methinks.

It may not be as bad but it is still kinda crappy for Non-Whites and Women.

 kronk wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Americans, do you think, in 1950s 60s USA was better than now?

Hell no.

We have internet, now. And Game of Thrones. And D&D. And more vaccines. And my wife can work and make good money. I can play Bubble Witch on my iPhone while I drop the kids off at the pool while listening to Pandora radio.

feth the 50s. THIS is the golden age.

I'm going with this + no Jim Crow + no Cold War threatening to go Hot (Korea/Vietnam the great nuking) - complete loss of manufacturing jobs - complete loss of middle class.
Its a bit of a tossup.

 Vash108 wrote:
Born and raised here. I love America, but an some stuff needs to change. We are in 2015 and the people running it still live in 1950. A bunch of old White people who are afraid of change, and instead of embrace it they fight it every chance they get.

I am not sure if I would stay if I had the chance to leave.

The change that needs to happen is not going forward but backward. We need to go back to what worked instead of trying to change for the better when we already had a functioning system.

 namiel wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
Born and raised here. I love America, but an some stuff needs to change. We are in 2015 and the people running it still live in 1950. A bunch of old White people who are afraid of change, and instead of embrace it they fight it every chance they get.

I am not sure if I would stay if I had the chance to leave.

The change that needs to happen is not going forward but backward. We need to go back to what worked instead of trying to change for the better when we already had a functioning system.

Can you give a few examples?

Having a middle class again
Manufacturing jobs again
No cartels

Still have to examine the causes of these things. Look at the ones still causing these issues to occur. If we can change that fine. But until the people who call those shots that effect our country change, nothing will.

I accept it as it is. There's amazing parts, there's sad parts, and there's scary parts.
As a country, we tend to idealise it a lot from afar, but I am fairly ambivalent. I do admire the technology advancements, and opportunities for research though. Plus the art colleges and animation schools.

I don't want to live there though. Maybe some day when I retire.

 Vash108 wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
Born and raised here. I love America, but an some stuff needs to change. We are in 2015 and the people running it still live in 1950. A bunch of old White people who are afraid of change, and instead of embrace it they fight it every chance they get.

I am not sure if I would stay if I had the chance to leave.

The change that needs to happen is not going forward but backward. We need to go back to what worked instead of trying to change for the better when we already had a functioning system.

Can you give a few examples?

Marriage licenses is one example. Why would a government agency ever take over a religious practice? It is a religious practice. The govt should have NO stance on marriage neither allowing or barring it in any form.

Excessive government policing agencies. Why the hell do we need ATF, FBI, NSA, CIA, INS, NCIS, THE BUREAU OF ENGRAVING AND PRINTING POLICE(WTF!!!), the list goes on.....

SOCIAL POLICIES. The government should neither PERMIT OR DENY anyone's rights with social policy.

The imperialistic nature of our govt. We have so much military all across the planet and we spend billions doing so. Sure send the navy out on cruises through those areas but why do we need 5 major bases in Japan alone? Shut it down

Today it seems as if everyone cant get along so big brother has to micro manage peoples lives with this law and that law. The govt needs to get the hell out of things. Society will regulate itself should its basic needs be met. Society will fall apart when we no longer have food, shelter, and clothing. Still we have no federal budget and a national debt that is 3 times what it was even 10 years ago but yet we have congress arguing about if gays can marry. That's insane.

I agree,

Separation of Church and State, completely.

We spend way too much on Arms and not on Soldiers. We have planes, tanks, boats, ect. being shat out and left to sit in yard to rot. While we spend no Money on the actual soldiers who come back here with PTSD and other problems and they are left out in the cold with the back up of VA logs to months?

We need to take a serious look at our tax system along with income inequality, so maybe we could have a middle class again.

But a lot of politicians are in a lot of pockets both D & R. for example, Just look at the recent GOP gathering to Pander to the Koch bothers to see who gets the billion dollar funding from them. I wonder who has their leash?

 namiel wrote:
Marriage licenses is one example. Why would a government agency ever take over a religious practice? It is a religious practice. The govt should have NO stance on marriage neither allowing or barring it in any form.

Marriage was a government thing long before religions got their hands on it. The rulers needed to know who would inherit and all that so having a framework for producing legal heirs was necessary. Religions only got into it much later - for example in Europe until the 1500s a priest wasn't necessary at all, only the agreement between two parties.

I was under the impression marriage wasn't religious but legal. It allows two people to file as a single entity.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was under the impression marriage wasn't religious but legal. It allows two people to file as a single entity.

And pay more taxes than they would individually!

Yay, beer!

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was under the impression marriage wasn't religious but legal. It allows two people to file as a single entity.

Yes, but that is not how it is being argued at present. Someone NEEDS to come out and clarify, but no one in authority at the moment has the spine to.

 kronk wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was under the impression marriage wasn't religious but legal. It allows two people to file as a single entity.

And pay more taxes than they would individually!

Yay, beer!

It's a lot easier to get a loan though.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was under the impression marriage wasn't religious but legal. It allows two people to file as a single entity.

The real point one should take from it is that the government shouldn't have any say in a contract consenting adults enter into.

Meh for me. There's stuff I like... there's stuff I don't like...

 cincydooley wrote:

The real point one should take from it is that the government shouldn't have any say in a contract consenting adults enter into.

But that's what a government does for a marriage contract - sees that both are consenting adults. Without a government having a look at it you're reduced to churches doing it, and they often have laxer standards for "consent" and "adult".

Spetulhu wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

The real point one should take from it is that the government shouldn't have any say in a contract consenting adults enter into.

But that's what a government does for a marriage contract - sees that both are consenting adults. Without a government having a look at it you're reduced to churches doing it, and they often have laxer standards for "consent" and "adult".

No, they're dictating far more than age. Which isn't just for marriage, but for the entry into ALL contracts.

They should have zero say in who can enter those contracts and how many people can enter them once they're past that age of consent.

Anyways. I couldn't give a golden rat's feth about what other countries think of us. Quite simply, we don't need most of them and they can take a hike. I personally wish we'd take some further isolationist policies and give a big Stone Cold to the entirety of the Middle East.

Been pretty much all over the world
Canada, Mexico, Panama, Brazil, Philippines, Japan, South Korea, Thailand, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Some other 'Stans, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi, Israel, Egypt, Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Italy, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, UK, Honduras........

BBQ......no one has better BBQ then the US of A

It rises and falls depending on whats going on really, generally falls a bit this time of year.