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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/09 02:13:11
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/08/vermont-aid-worker-killed/31330569/
BARRE, Vt. — A mom who lost custody of her 9-year-old girl less than a month ago used a high-caliber hunting rifle to kill the social worker involved in her case as the state employee left the office for the day, authorities said.
Witnesses tackled Jody Herring at about 4:45 p.m. ET Friday outside of a downtown office building that houses a Vermont Department for Children and Families office, Barre police Chief Tim Bombardier said late Friday. They had seen her take two shots at close range at Lara Sobel, who had worked for the agency more than 15 years.
Sobel died at the scene.
Herring, who is now in state custody, lost custody of her daughter July 10, Bombardier said. The child remains in state care; Herring will be arraigned Monday.
"We're doing the best we can to support our staff," agency Commissioner Ken Schatz said. "Any sort of death is a tragedy. In this situation we lost one of our own."
The ages and hometowns of both women weren't immediately available; Sobel was married and had a daughter.
Washington County's state's attorney, Scott Williams, was among the witnesses, so the Vermont Attorney General's Office is expected to handle the prosecution. The child welfare agency's offices in a four-story building are a few hundred yards from the courthouse.
Barre is a city of about 10,000 residents less than 10 miles from the state capital of Montpelier.
"I am beside myself," said state Senate President Pro Tempore John Campbell, a Democrat from Windsor, Vt. "These men and women put their lives on the line each day, and we don't understand the serious nature of these cases.
"This could happen in any state office or court," said Campbell, who is also a state prosecutor. "We do not pay them enough and respect them enough."
Sobel made a little more than $50,000 in 2012 as a state social worker, according to an online database of state employee salaries.
After the deaths last year of two toddlers who had been involved with the agency, a special legislative committee was set up to investigate the state's child welfare system. Murder charges are pending against the stepfather of 2-year-old Dezirae Sheldon of Poultney and the mother of 15-month-old Peighton Geraw of Winooski, both of whom have pleaded not guilty.
As a result, lawmakers passed a new child-safety law that shifts the state's priority in protecting children, focusing on their well-being instead of on an imperative to reunite them with their families.
The social workers often go into some of the worst homes without protection from law enforcement, Campbell said.
"These are on the front line dealing with people with substance abuse and mental health issues," he said. "They are priest, psychologist and cop all in one."
Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin immediately directed staff of the Department for Children and Families who have to go out on emergency calls this weekend to be accompanied by police officers.
Investigators were checking to see if Herring and Sobel knew each other besides the July 10 case, Bombardier said.
"The employees at DCF deal with the most challenging family situations that one can imagine," Shumlin said in a statement. "They do the work out of their dedication to the children and families of this great state. To lose one of our own in the course of that duty is shocking and heartbreaking."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2015/08/08/berlin-police-investigate-multiple-deaths-home/31332927/
Social Workers work in one of the most dangerous fields in the US, often treated as if they are the worst thing in the world. This is exactly why we need reforms to Healthcare and specifically reforms to the Mental Health aspect of the system.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/09 04:52:03
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Fixture of Dakka
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Amen to that. My oldest cousin in Maine worked for 30 years in child services. What he saw happening to kids in abusive homes, of the "whatever you can imagine in you worst nightmare and multiply it" variety, seriously affected his health over time. He stayed on because he felt like he would be abandoning all those kids to their fate, and he is one of the kindest, most empathetic people I have ever known.
I know I wouldn't probably have lasted a week in his shoes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/09 06:03:23
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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I remember my friend told me about in his military training he was shown pictures of abused kids(Cant remember why, but it made sense at time for why)
On kid, who was black, had his entire back whittened by so much beatings, it calused and hurt for him to move.
I was thinking social work for a time, but decided no
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/09 16:47:35
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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When I saw this on reddit, the comments were mostly supporting the mother for murdering the "kidnapping scum".
Disgusting.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 10:35:13
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah Reddit is a place where scum seem to hide
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 17:34:36
Subject: Re:DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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TBF, that could be said of most social media.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/10 17:38:57
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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What a horrible story.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 17:59:26
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Wife did victim services with the Police, helped start up the specialty with child victims. She has no compassion for the animals.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 18:37:10
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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MrDwhitey wrote:When I saw this on reddit, the comments were mostly supporting the mother for murdering the "kidnapping scum".
Disgusting.
Unfortunately not surprising. People believe the one side they hear. You don't here about the children who are neglected, unfed, filthy, beaten, raped, treated as slaves, drug mules, given heroine to make them sleep etc. until one among thousands of cases is missed and dies. Until then all you hear is the "perfect" mother and father and how the "evil" social services took their darling away. The council obviously can't defend themselves so people believe the one side they hear. I can understand it to some extent. It plays in to parants fears that someone might take their child away, but it is a false fear.
My sister is a child social worker and works with some of the worst areas in the UK (or she did. I think she moved to another area) I do worry about her, but she is hard as nails. She can stand up for herself and has been fine so far.
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 18:40:41
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Steve steveson wrote: MrDwhitey wrote:When I saw this on reddit, the comments were mostly supporting the mother for murdering the "kidnapping scum".
Disgusting.
Unfortunately not surprising. People believe the one side they hear. You don't here about the children who are neglected, unfed, filthy, beaten, raped, treated as slaves, drug mules, given heroine to make them sleep etc. until one among thousands of cases is missed and dies. Until then all you hear is the "perfect" mother and father and how the "evil" social services took their darling away. The council obviously can't defend themselves so people believe the one side they hear. I can understand it to some extent. It plays in to parants fears that someone might take their child away, but it is a false fear.
My sister is a child social worker and works with some of the worst areas in the UK (or she did. I think she moved to another area) I do worry about her, but she is hard as nails. She can stand up for herself and has been fine so far.
There are quite a few overzealous case workers out there. As well as busybody neighbors who report silly stuff.
Homeschooling families in particular are often the targets of improper child removal or just inquiries bordering on harassment.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 18:42:36
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Well my hit rate with people who homeschooled is about 50% wierdoes, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 18:46:22
Subject: Re:DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Most of the inquiries are because the children aren't in school and the local school files complains. Even though its totally legal they usually have to go to court to get the social workers to back off.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 18:47:03
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Grey Templar wrote: There are quite a few overzealous case workers out there. As well as busybody neighbors who report silly stuff. Homeschooling families in particular are often the targets of improper child removal or just inquiries bordering on harassment. Indeed systems like that can get abused dont they. On the bright side for once they didn't hype up the gun as a high capacity assault rifle with tactical wooden grips.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 18:47:54
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Desubot wrote:
On the bright side for once they didnt hype up the gun as a high capacity assault rifle with tactical wooden grips.
Maybe there is hope for the media yet.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 20:49:42
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Frazzled wrote:Well my hit rate with people who homeschooled is about 50% wierdoes, so I wouldn't be surprised.
That's much better than my own rate... Personally, and only using people that I know physically, in person (not from here, or FB or other online "friends") Everyone that I've known who was homeschooled, or home schooled in a "home-schooling-Co- Op" were fething weird. And that's where I can bring in the 50%... Because there was the 50% who were "religiously weird" (Young Earthers mostly, but the kind you mostly feel bad for), and the other half was just socially awkward, usually poor bathing habits, poor vocal skills, "rude" behavior but not rude in a "man, that guy's a douche" kind of way, more of a "man, that guy's just a kid in a grown body".
When it comes to these sorts of things, I've been through briefings when I was in the army where the social workers were able to show pictures of abusive situations, and what children go through, as well as some of the bruises and whatnot the social workers received from a couple abusive parents... Honestly, I don't think anything pissed me off more, or got me more ready to punch nuns through a brick wall than those pictures did.
I think one way to shut those who are constantly in support of those kinds of parents, would be to make some of those kinds of pictures public. Fething publish them, so the world what kind of crap bags do the kind of gak to kids that some of us have seen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/11 21:09:54
Subject: DCF Social Worker murdered, 3 family members found dead
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I was thinking more of the parents who homeschooled, but that jives with your statement. Yea I'm fine with pics with blurred faces of the kids to say THIS IS WHAT YOU DID. Of course I'm just fine with the guards announcing when they enter as they go down the hall "Child Abuser Walking"!"
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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