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Obliterators and mutilators are horrendous the fluff is kinda weird why not just make them super capable weapons experts who carry all their weapons with them but they look like muk from pokemon with used crack needles and old cardboard toilet roll holders sticking out of them. I love the dreadknight in comparison and centurions look super badass in comparison to the turds with guns sticking out.

 Nevelon wrote:
The overall shape of it doesn’t bother me. It’s obviously held up with anti-grav plates, and is reminiscent of an old school landing boat.

The two unforgivable things about it are the weapon arcs, and the wolfy bits. What are those lascannons going to hit?

I can understand chaining pelts and skulls to tanks. But trans-orbital flyers? Best case, they are going to burn off the first time you hit orbit. Worst case they are going to snap off and get sucked into the engine, and cause a crash. Even just being there is going to generate a massive amount of drag.

I think if you swap the engines for where those bolters are you might have something that looks pretty credible.

As for the wolf pelts...

Force field?

Wouldn't stop them from getting sucked in.

Maybe they're holograms?

Yeah that's it. Holograms!

(Collects no-prize)


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Still like it better than the Storm Raven.

To me, the Storm Wolf looks like someone strapped a shipping container under the nose of an X-wing, then chopped all the wings off...

 ZergSmasher wrote:
As I said earlier in this thread, THE NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT IS NOT A BABY CARRIER! Here is a Dreadknight:

Here is the probable inspiration for the model:

Here is something else that this inspired:

Actually I think the Dreadknight model precedes Avatar by a couple of years, but the concept of a walking machine that amplifies the human body is far from new. I don't play Grey Knights, but I will defend the Dreadknight model as it is one of the coolest in the Grey Knights range. Honestly, I would love to see a Dreadknight conversion with an enclosed cockpit like the Avatar AMP suit. That would be cool, and no one would be screaming "Baby Carrier!" any more.

It looks nothing like either of those. If it was the intention to resemble the Power Lifter it fails utterly.

It looks exactly like people are describing it. A baby carrier. That is literally what it looks like. Go on, Google "front facing baby carrier". I dare you.

If it resembled the artwork, then yes, you have a point. But the model does not.

Sorry, how does it not resemble the artwork? I may genuinely be missing something, but it looks damn near identical to me.

I'm confused too. The art looks just like the model with shortened legs and a smaller back part. Not that those changes look good mind, but I don't get what make the model rubbish and the artwork great.

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
Sorry, how does it not resemble the artwork? I may genuinely be missing something, but it looks damn near identical to me.

Not how the pilot's legs are integrated into the Dreadknight's ones and he's far more set into the torso. Both things go far to making it less baby carrier-esq.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
Sorry, how does it not resemble the artwork? I may genuinely be missing something, but it looks damn near identical to me.

Not how the pilot's legs are integrated into the Dreadknight's ones and he's far more set into the torso. Both things go far to making it less baby carrier-esq.

Yup, this. He looks like he's actually controlling it in that piece of art. The model looks like he's strapped to the front going for ice cream.

I quite like some of the "worst models" mentioned here.
Centurions are a bit subpar, but not horrible, the Epicast Eldar knight, no detail, but it's an enlarged version of an Epic model, which looks fine.

Mutilators: those are quite ugly yes.
But my vote for worst model would absolutely go to the old Nagash.

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
Sorry, how does it not resemble the artwork? I may genuinely be missing something, but it looks damn near identical to me.

Not how the pilot's legs are integrated into the Dreadknight's ones and he's far more set into the torso. Both things go far to making it less baby carrier-esq.

Yup, this. He looks like he's actually controlling it in that piece of art. The model looks like he's strapped to the front going for ice cream.

Agreed.

The other aspect is that, even if it is based on the suit from Aliens, that suit was just for unloading. It was basically a sci-fi forklift truck.

So, if the Dreadknight is indeed based on that, then it would be like our current military basing a tank on a forklift truck - exposed, unprotected cab and all.

Fair point on the legs. I didn't notice that and it does look a little better.

As for the pilot being unprotected, he's still wearing Terminator armor. Having the same armor and invulnerable save show that. They just added more wounds to show that it takes more hits to bring the suit down.

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
As for the pilot being unprotected, he's still wearing Terminator armor. Having the same armor and invulnerable save show that. They just added more wounds to show that it takes more hits to bring the suit down.

But that's the point - where does T6 and 3 extra wounds come from?

You say that it's to represent the fact that the suit is harder to bring down, but that defies all logic. I mean, if the pilot is dead then you don't need to bring the suit down because there's no one alive to operate the thing.

It would be like if a tank pilot stuck his head out of the top hatch, and suddenly sniper bullets just bounced off his skull because "the tank is hard to bring down".

 vipoid wrote:

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
As for the pilot being unprotected, he's still wearing Terminator armor. Having the same armor and invulnerable save show that. They just added more wounds to show that it takes more hits to bring the suit down.

But that's the point - where does T6 and 3 extra wounds come from?

You say that it's to represent the fact that the suit is harder to bring down, but that defies all logic. I mean, if the pilot is dead then you don't need to bring the suit down because there's no one alive to operate the thing.

It would be like if a tank pilot stuck his head out of the top hatch, and suddenly sniper bullets just bounced off his skull because "the tank is hard to bring down".

I think that explains Brad Pitt's invulnerability to sniper fire in Fury.

The pilot is suspended in front of the sophisticated armour and shielding with only his regular armour (which has been shown to be vulnerable to lucky small arms fire numerous times in the fluff) to protect him. What is worst about this entire concept is "Why would anyone ever remove their helmets when going into battle with in this thing?" A kid with a bb gun can seriously wound a dreadknight pilot with one lucky shot.

 the Signless wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 GangstaMuffin24 wrote:
As for the pilot being unprotected, he's still wearing Terminator armor. Having the same armor and invulnerable save show that. They just added more wounds to show that it takes more hits to bring the suit down.

But that's the point - where does T6 and 3 extra wounds come from?

You say that it's to represent the fact that the suit is harder to bring down, but that defies all logic. I mean, if the pilot is dead then you don't need to bring the suit down because there's no one alive to operate the thing.

It would be like if a tank pilot stuck his head out of the top hatch, and suddenly sniper bullets just bounced off his skull because "the tank is hard to bring down".

I think that explains Brad Pitt's invulnerability to sniper fire in Fury.

The pilot is suspended in front of the sophisticated armour and shielding with only his regular armour (which has been shown to be vulnerable to lucky small arms fire numerous times in the fluff) to protect him. What is worst about this entire concept is "Why would anyone ever remove their helmets when going into battle with in this thing?" A kid with a bb gun can seriously wound a dreadknight pilot with one lucky shot.

I don't think it's an airtight theory, but perhaps there is some sort of advanced shield generator on it? In any case, it's certainly not the first (or last) instance of something not working realistically in 40k. And of course any fluff about it will have to be thrown out in favor of balance.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Honestly, I would love to see a Dreadknight conversion with an enclosed cockpit like the Avatar AMP suit. That would be cool, and no one would be screaming "Baby Carrier!" any more.

 j31c3n wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Honestly, I would love to see a Dreadknight conversion with an enclosed cockpit like the Avatar AMP suit. That would be cool, and no one would be screaming "Baby Carrier!" any more.

SENPAI

 ZergSmasher wrote:
As I said earlier in this thread, THE NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT IS NOT A BABY CARRIER!
Actually I think the Dreadknight model precedes Avatar by a couple of years, but the concept of a walking machine that amplifies the human body is far from new. I don't play Grey Knights, but I will defend the Dreadknight model as it is one of the coolest in the Grey Knights range. Honestly, I would love to see a Dreadknight conversion with an enclosed cockpit like the Avatar AMP suit. That would be cool, and no one would be screaming "Baby Carrier!" any more.

The Avatar and Aliens suits are clearly designed to enclose and protect their pilots. The DK looks like its a mobile plinth to give the enemy a better view of their target. Baby Carrier might be taking it too far but when the DK machine is basically a giant suit of power armour piloted by a guy in regular power armour, a momma dread/diddi dread vibe will spring up. I don't hate it but it does look silly and regardless of stats I'd never buy one

The sled is an odd one. I dont rank it as bad purely because its so odd. I think part of my brain on seeing it insisted it must be a one-off joke because to accept the reality would hurt my soul. However design-wise, why are the wovles running in opposite directions?

Conceptually I think Space Wolf cavalry is the worst thing GW has ever produced. On a meta level its a silly "wolf shirt" joe, basically grimcamp. Kayfabe its just visual gibberish. You're Marines, you deep strike into enemy lines, complete your mission and let the IG grunts do the clean up. Hell, part of the reason the IG have cavalry is to show insanely low-tech and idiosyncratic the Imperium can be. Also on a GW-wide level the only other wolf cavalry were WHFB Goblins due to their size and apparently evil nature.

The sled is so bad, lets not even say it looks good.
There is clearly an engine in there to keep it off ground, why not make it move as well with that same system.

Seriously, why would the wolves ever pull a sled?

Isnt it very slow to start and stop this thing in battle? Or turn around and all that..

how do you control it? Screaming?
Stoooop, nooooo, leeeeeft, noooo nooot thaaat faaar, baaaack a liiiitleee...
Cant reach hom with mah damn axe, gooo clooooseeer!!

Hawehu@hotmail.com wrote:
Seriously, why would the wolves ever pull a sled?

I now have the image of Logan shouting "NOW, FORWARDS FOR THE EMPEROR!"

And then the wolves just sit there giving him a look that says 'if you want this thing to move, move it yourself' look.

Some time later, Logan finally reaches the battle. He's slowly pushing his hover sled along, whilst the two wolves sit inside it.

Some time later, Logan finally reaches the battle. He's slowly pushing his hover sled along, whilst the two wolves sit inside it.

and then he slides it down the hill, ramming right into the front lines of the enemy. Insistent that he must "sleigh the xenos scum".

Sleigh the xenos!

Hawehu@hotmail.com wrote:
Sleigh the xenos!

Love it

Sister dialogous, without question. The others have bad desugn, sure... This one looks like a mistaje through and through.

 Jape wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
As I said earlier in this thread, THE NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT IS NOT A BABY CARRIER!
Actually I think the Dreadknight model precedes Avatar by a couple of years, but the concept of a walking machine that amplifies the human body is far from new. I don't play Grey Knights, but I will defend the Dreadknight model as it is one of the coolest in the Grey Knights range. Honestly, I would love to see a Dreadknight conversion with an enclosed cockpit like the Avatar AMP suit. That would be cool, and no one would be screaming "Baby Carrier!" anymore.

The Avatar and Aliens suits are clearly designed to enclose and protect their pilots. The DK looks like its a mobile plinth to give the enemy a better view of their target. Baby Carrier might be taking it too far but when the DK machine is basically a giant suit of power armour piloted by a guy in regular power armour, a momma dread/diddy dread vibe will spring up. I don't hate it but it does look silly and regardless of stats I'd never buy one

Sorry, but the Alien Power Loader offers little to no protection save for that roll cage frame on the chest to stop them getting squished if the suit falls over lol. The Avatar AMP suits are a better design.

I do agree with the baby carrier assessment. If the Terminator's legs were integrated into the suit as they are in the artwork, it would look LOADS better. Sadly it's not the case.

Mutilators aren't great, especially the faces in my opinion. I think what makes them (and obliterators) look worse is how the flesh metal is often painted as flesh, rather than to match the rest of the miniature.

I'm actually experimenting on some mutilators at the moment (putting my money where my mouth is when I say perhaps they would look better with head swaps and a different paint job)!



Hopefully it's obvious I am working a Night Lord angle (with a name like mutilators it just seemed too appropriate). Only the main colours done so far, if anyone could PM me suggestions for finishing the smaller details such as cabling, it would be really appreciated. In game I'd want to use them with Mark of Nurgle, so I'd also appreciate suggestions on how to clearly represent that too.

Thanks, sorry for slight threadjack!

New contestant: The stormsurge. What even is that derpy THING?

 LeCacty wrote:
New contestant: The stormsurge. What even is that derpy THING?

A walking weapons platform. I quite like it.

Empereror's children lord, any day of the week. that face just screams ''i've seen some sh*t''...

 jer155 wrote:
Empereror's children lord, any day of the week. that face just screams ''i've seen some sh*t''...

What, this one?



I thought that was an intentional feature.