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 Breotan wrote:
SG-1, late in the series. I think Babalon 5 also had dogfights in hyperspace.


Because this is the internet I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but you do know that neither of those is Star Wars righ? That is what the discussion was about.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
It's possible to shoot a ship during its hyperspace flight (with special weapons exclusively designed for said purpose).


When did that ever happen? I don't recall it ever happening in the movies nor Rebels. I might have missed it as I haven't seen all of The Clone Wars.


It's no longer canon. I remember reading about it in two novels, one being about a Rebel general I forgot the name who was part of a project that focused on developing a planet-based supercannon able to shoot down major airships even during hyperspeed and it's part of The Old Republic where there's one line of missions aiming to destroy an Imperial weapon called "The Gauntlet" that was able to specifically target ships in hyperspace, thus incapacitating them before they even reach the battlefield.

   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
It's possible to shoot a ship during its hyperspace flight (with special weapons exclusively designed for said purpose).


When did that ever happen? I don't recall it ever happening in the movies nor Rebels. I might have missed it as I haven't seen all of The Clone Wars.


It's no longer canon. I remember reading about it in two novels, one being about a Rebel general I forgot the name who was part of a project that focused on developing a planet-based supercannon able to shoot down major airships even during hyperspeed and it's part of The Old Republic where there's one line of missions aiming to destroy an Imperial weapon called "The Gauntlet" that was able to specifically target ships in hyperspace, thus incapacitating them before they even reach the battlefield.


Season 2 of Rebels had a similar weapon introduced, while it couldnt fire on ships in hyperspace, it could pull a ship out of hyperspace and disable it

Season 2 episode 9

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
SG-1, late in the series. I think Babalon 5 also had dogfights in hyperspace.

Because this is the internet I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but you do know that neither of those is Star Wars righ? That is what the discussion was about.

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Saw it this afternoon, just about managed to get my thoughts somewhat coherent after the sheer, childlike excitement of it all! So, here goes:

In short, what a film! Genuinely the most exiting, fun, enjoyable, thrilling, moving and visually superb films I have ever seen (other opinions are available, but I just loved everything about the movie!). Dare I say it, the best Star Wars film thus far, and I have absolute faith that Star Wars is back, and here to stay. Just wonderful. The right amount of OT references, SW tropes and new material, combined with some fantastic acting and writing come together to make this simply perfect.

Daisy Ridley and John Boyega were brilliant; their enthusiasm and on-screen rapport is honestly better and more natural than anything in the other films, together they are far more than the sum of their parts (and even on their own, they do a great job). Oscar Issacs was also great, though a little underused in this one, I hope we see more of him in the next film. Harrison Ford was Harrison Ford, and I think this was his best SW performance to boot, made all the more remarkable for that bit,..

On to spoilery stuff, click at your own risk if you haven't watched it already.
Spoiler:

Kylo Ren might just be the most interesting character in Star Wars thus far. Everything Anakin should have been in the prequels, makes a great impression without a great deal of screen time compared to everyone else. His rages and tantrums were almost managed to one-up Vader's officer culls without being a blatant copy. The idea of a character that fears 'falling' to the Light Side is very new and fascinating, his familial ties work (mainly to set up Han's death) and his design and voice with the mask on I feel will become every bit as iconic as Vader. More on this later, but the way he fights just brutal, his bastard-sword-esque Lightsaber looked and sounded great and the fact he used the hilt in combat as well to stab Finn was very satisfying. Loved the fact they called him Ben as well.

The action pieces throughout the film blew me away. The opening Stormtrooper massacre, the levelling of the cantina/palace and the assault on the Starkiller base interspersed with Finn and Rey taking on Ren were the standouts, the two dogfights were excellent and the lightsaber duels were more visceral, 'real' and emotional than anything other than possibly Luke vs Vader in Empire. The sabers seemed to have a real weight to them, more like actual swords than anything else, and the injuries they left were somehow a lot more exciting to see than just slicing through limbs with no real effort.

Now let's talk about Han Solo... As I said before, Ford's best performance, and every bit the Han we know and love from the originals; scruffy looking nerf-herding, great interactions with both new and old cast, and general badassery right up to his last moments. The bridge scene mirrors Obi-wan's death wonderfully, just as Qui-gon's did, and continues that cycle without becoming a parody of it. Sadly, it had been spoiled for me previously, but that did absolutely nothing to dull the impact of the scene. Whoever they cast in the Solo solo film has very, very big boots to fill.

Finn and Rey were fantastic. Their on-screen dynamic was perfect, and while there's still a lot of mystery, particularly around Rey, I left the film feeling like I 'know' them as well as I do Luke or Han or Leia. I feel we're going to get the rest of Rey's story in the next film, perhaps as she trains with Luke (kind of think she may be his daughter...), and that's definitely something I look forward to. Poe Dameron is also brilliant, underused but a worthy 'new' Han Solo character. Cool X-wing piloting shenanigans and slick dialogue definitely leaves me wanting to see more of him.

Practical effects and sparing use of CGI, fantastic. Not a lot more needs to be said there; Snoke maybe looked a little off, but that's as much due to the size as anything else, I think.

Think that's just about a wrap for me, I'll conclude with my top 5 moments just for the hell of it:

5) Trench Run! I saw the X-wings dive, saw the trench, wondered if they were going to do it and hell yes, they did! Brilliant sequence.
4) The first Falcon sequence, from 'garbage will do' to the chase through the Star Destroyer, was just amazing. Looked great, sounded great, and there were some very cool manoeuvres on show (loved the shot where Rey 'slammed the breaks on' so Finn can get the shot at the second TIE.
3) Poe and Finn's TIE-fighter escape (funny how that's 3 in a row featuring cool spaceships! ). Hilarious dialogue, cool action, a great first real set piece of the film.
4) Han's death scene. 'Nuff said.
5) Kylo Ren vs Finn and Rey. Hands down the best lightsaber fight in all 7 films. Superb choreography, great visuals, so charged with emotion and power.


I've never seen a film get a round of applause in the cinema, but this did! And my god was it deserved.

Now, the real question; can they 'Empire Strikes Back' the next one? I look forward to finding out...

 
   
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My wife and I saw it yesterday, and are both big fans of Star Wars. I felt it had the look and feel of Star Wars. Absolutely Definitely. God it was fun to watch Star Wars again.

But really, Mr. Abrams. I have seen A New Hope about 30 times. I didn't need to pay see it again with different actors. I waited thirty years for something new.

I thought the movie was absolutely awesome until Star Killer base enters. Seriously, the moment you see it from space, my first thought was to mentally sneer and think, "Really?" The entire situation about that is the most over the top thing I've seen in a long time- it was practically cartoony in a Bey's Transformers "Cybertron showing up in Earth's orbit does nothing bad at all to Earth" way.

So....an Imperial Remnant somehow has the mechanical capability of turning an entire planet into a giant gun that shoots sun-fueled Hyperspace lasers out of a muzzle the size of Texas, that does not boil off the entire atmosphere in the process. With an entirely equator-girdling trench that's gotta be tens of miles deep to be seen from space that clearly, with walls holding back oceans. And can only logically be fired twice, as planets are not big on moving. Unless you count the fact that that first laser blast had to be large enough to destabilize the friggin' thing's orbit! Oh, and it can split into separate beams mid-stream, AND be seen from planets that were evidently (I guess, but never sure) not even in the same system?

I think they simply should have taken a good nod to the EU, and had the First Order superweapon be a partially-constructed Executor class Super Star Destroyer that was taken over by the FO after the Empire fell, named "The Starkiller". They have managed to somehow finance finishing it, building it around a laser superweapon that can be fired into a sun, destabilizing it and destroying the entire system around it in a supernova- kind of a Suncrusher for non-fans.

First scene with it, it shows up with attending Star Destroyers right in the Coruscant system, capitol of the New Republic (another nod to the EU). The New Republic's half-assed demilitarized emergency defense gives us a really cool (short) space battle, but they end up succeeding against the inferior defenders in firing and destroy the Coruscant system. Obvious example 101 of evil group? Destroy a long-time standby known to most fans the mythos, and trillions of people in the process.

Then the end of the movie can play out exactly as it did, but around the system the Starkiller resides in while it re-charges (Hell, maybe it can recharge from a sun, even) the superweapon for a final go at the Resistance base. Another cool space battle can go on around the characters during the final setpiece scene, like in the movie with the X-Wings, but involving a ragtag space fleet organized by Leia, after the destruction of Coruscant legitimizes her claims as to why the Resistance needed to exist against the First Order. They need to hold out long enough for Resistance forces inside to destroy it, and every part of the end of the real movie could be set inside of the Starkiller, in order to destroy THAT instead of a planet.

Just my two cents, though my wife says my idea could have looked awesome, as it could have twice the space battles of Return of the Jedi, which are generally considered one of that movie's coolest parts.

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Also, answer me this:

Was Star Killer base a planet that they build a super-weapon into, or was it a super weapon that was big enough to have terrain/snow/trees put onto it?

 welshhoppo wrote:
I think Ren's biggest issue is that he doesn't seemed to be naturally dark, it's like he's trying to hard to be evil, but it isn't working out.


I think that's the point, and it's what makes him an interesting character. Hell, the whole "tempted by the light" is a complete reversal of what we're used to hearing about the Force. It's an interesting angle to take.

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 Matthew wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
 Matthew wrote:
 welshhoppo wrote:
I think Ren's biggest issue is that he doesn't seemed to be naturally dark, it's like he's trying to hard to be evil, but it isn't working out. However
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I can easily see Rae falling to the dark side, she has abandonment issues and only started kicking Ren's butt once she unleashed her inner Sith by getting really really angry.


I saw it more like she realised how she could use the force to her advantage.

True, but which side?


I'd say the light side. She didn't seem angry when she closed here eyes, she seemed calm.
I agree with Welsh.

For most of their fight, Rey is on the defensive (something most people on this thread haven't mentioned). She does a pretty decent job fending him off, but he definitely has the upper hand through most of the fight. She only really begins to 'win' when he has her pinned against the chasm and then offers to complete her training. Then she becomes angry and it surprises Ren; when she ends her flourish and strikes him down, you can see the anger in her face (it was much more noticeable in my second viewing). Personally, I think she was getting ready to finish him off when the ground cracked open between them.

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I agree, they should have built an Eclipse or Twilight class super star destroyer with a star killer weapon. The planet thing makes no sense. How do you move it? It shoots a couple systems away sure, but once the star is exhausted now it has no ammo.

Note they blew up some important worlds to the resistance, not Coruscant.

I know there were metals that were impervious to light sabers but they are likely super expensive and would they really have built mass produced riot control batons out of them especially not expecting to run into lightsaber wielding opponents.

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Col. Dash wrote:
I agree, they should have built an Eclipse or Twilight class super star destroyer with a star killer weapon. The planet thing makes no sense. How do you move it? It shoots a couple systems away sure, but once the star is exhausted now it has no ammo.

Note they blew up some important worlds to the resistance, not Coruscant.

I know there were metals that were impervious to light sabers but they are likely super expensive and would they really have built mass produced riot control batons out of them especially not expecting to run into lightsaber wielding opponents.


According to the official Force Awakens Visual Dictionary, the Republic Senate is now HQ'd on whatever planet they elect. The one that was blown up (which is actually a world in the Core) where the current Senate was located. So yea, they wiped out the Republic Senate.

If you look at a map, Starkiller base is on the fringe of the outer rim, its got a long freaking range

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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Col. Dash wrote:
I agree, they should have built an Eclipse or Twilight class super star destroyer with a star killer weapon. The planet thing makes no sense. How do you move it? It shoots a couple systems away sure, but once the star is exhausted now it has no ammo.

Note they blew up some important worlds to the resistance, not Coruscant.

I know there were metals that were impervious to light sabers but they are likely super expensive and would they really have built mass produced riot control batons out of them especially not expecting to run into lightsaber wielding opponents.


According to the official Force Awakens Visual Dictionary, the Republic Senate is now HQ'd on whatever planet the current chancelor is from. The one that was blown up (which is actually a world in the Core) where the current Senate was located. So yea, they wiped out the Republic Senate.

If you look at a map, Starkiller base is on the fringe of the outer rim, its got a long freaking range


And it blows up the republic capital and other planets in the same system, along with the main republic fleet, and then begins to charge up to destroy the resistance base. So it can presumably travel between stars, giving it a fuel supply which will last as long as there are stars within travelling distance.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
... or was it a super weapon that was big enough to have terrain/snow/trees put onto it?

It better not be this. Otherwise how could it support its own weight? Heliostasis is a real thing.

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 Breotan wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
... or was it a super weapon that was big enough to have terrain/snow/trees put onto it?

It better not be this. Otherwise how could it support its own weight? Heliostasis is a real thing.


It wasn't built out of Hoth?
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Oh, Abrams also has this neurosis in Star Wars/Star Trek where noone has planetary defenses, only tiny little fleets of a couple of ships. The First Order had nothing in space to stop a handful of fighters from reaching their superweapon? Or the Resistance to fire down from orbit?

Thrawn would have conquered both groups and become the new Emperor, lol.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Oh, Abrams also has this neurosis in Star Wars/Star Trek where noone has planetary defenses, only tiny little fleets of a couple of ships. The First Order had nothing in space to stop a handful of fighters from reaching their superweapon? Or the Resistance to fire down from orbit?

Thrawn would have conquered both groups and become the new Emperor, lol.


Who? Some guy who doesnt exist?

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 Breotan wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
... or was it a super weapon that was big enough to have terrain/snow/trees put onto it?

It better not be this. Otherwise how could it support its own weight? Heliostasis is a real thing.



Id go with the "we found a small moon and we put a really big gun on it" idea.

It must have some method of moving around, it may have had a built in hyperdrive at the back which we couldn't see. And I suppose that building on an existing rock is cheaper than having to build the space station too.

I would have thought everyone would have frozen to death as soon as it drained the star too, they tend to keep things a bit warm.

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They wouldn't dare send Rey to the dark side. Tempted maybe, but they wouldn't dare make her evil.

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 Kojiro wrote:
They wouldn't dare send Rey to the dark side. Tempted maybe, but they wouldn't dare make her evil.


I don't think so, I reckon they might do.
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and have her swap positions with Ren


Maybe this is the tragic fall to the dark side that the prequels were supposed to be about, don't forget, we don't know how these films will end. Show someone who has never seen Star Wars the three prequels and they'll probably be surprised at Anakins fall into darkness.

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If they make her fall to the dark side, they better do it in an amazing way. Anything less will be seen as an attack on the strong female lead.

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 Kojiro wrote:
If they make her fall to the dark side, they better do it in an amazing way. Anything less will be seen as an attack on the strong female lead.


Or just an attack on a good character in general. If she falls to the dark side there needs to be a good reason for it, not just filling some kind of quota of "we need someone to fall".

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Kojiro wrote:
If they make her fall to the dark side, they better do it in an amazing way. Anything less will be seen as an attack on the strong female lead.


Or just an attack on a good character in general. If she falls to the dark side there needs to be a good reason for it, not just filling some kind of quota of "we need someone to fall".


Agreed, I see her very much as the Spiritual Third Skywalker. She falls pretty well into the shoes of Luke and Anakin. All three were abandoned, either due to death or literal abandonment.
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all three had a mentor who dies in the first act of the trilogy ( Jinn, Kenobi, Solo)
and all three have had no choice but to survive on the fringes with seemingly no way of escape. Anakin is a slave, Luke's aunt and uncle are intentionally holding him back, Rae is waiting for someone who come and take her home, even though she knows that they are never coming back.

Out of Luke and Anakin, Anakin fell completely and Luke was a lightsabre strike away from falling. It makes sense that Rae will do one or the other.

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Have they said whether they're going for a 3 movie arc, or is an episode 10, 11, 12 on the cards with the same characters?

If it's going to be a longer arc, then, Jedi > fall > redeemed > Jedi again is possible. (Thus mimicking Anakin episode 1-6).

A 3 film arc, especially as we've seen the first film, is far too short for anything more than 'temptation' for Rey I think.

Kylo though? I mean, they could do the whole 'redemption minutes before death' thing like Vader but, I think they're more likely going to do a thing where he falls completely and utterly. And it's this falling to evil that culminates in his final defeat - being hoisted by his own petard.
- For example, I can see him finally dying in a 'rage against the light' as everything he has built with his evil, the power he has long sought, crumbles down into failure around him. In other words, an ending less reminiscent of Darth Vader and more closely resembling Gul Dukat's.

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 Breotan wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
It's possible to shoot a ship during its hyperspace flight (with special weapons exclusively designed for said purpose).


When did that ever happen? I don't recall it ever happening in the movies nor Rebels. I might have missed it as I haven't seen all of The Clone Wars.

SG-1, late in the series. I think Babalon 5 also had dogfights in hyperspace.



Babylon 5 and SG-1 don't have the same Hyperspace as Star Wars. Its just a term which can refer to many many different things depending on which Sci-fi you are talking about.

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 Breotan wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
... or was it a super weapon that was big enough to have terrain/snow/trees put onto it?

It better not be this. Otherwise how could it support its own weight? Heliostasis is a real thing.



The Resistance mentions in the briefing they believe they built it into an existing planet, I believe. I'll just have to go watch it again to be certain.

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The Good:

It was still more entertaining than the prequels. The new leads were likeable. Han Solo had some killer lines and everything about him and chewie sold it and anchored this jaded old timer and was the perfect tonic to help suspend disbelief and quiet down my stupid brain with all its thinking. The sound was amazing, the visuals were amazing, the action was surprisingly grounded and very well shot. The transitions weren't overdone. The pace and the character development was really good until it got cranked up to 11. I would recommend this movie, I would watch it again. It's funny and exciting, the new characters are interesting and likeable, oscar isaac nails poe dameron. Great character. Ray seemingly living in the wreck of an at-at was amazing. I didn't recognize simon pegg at all, that was cool.


The Bad:

I'm sure I'll sound a little harsh and rambling, I'm sure half of this is just nitpicking for the sake of it. The story was good enough up until the csi-level forced exposition scene where an attack on the "star killer base" is apparently planned democratically in about 45 seconds in the military equivalent of detectives barking back and forth across a bullpen. I can understand feeling a bit guilty about recycling half the plot and not wanting to tread water too long in eerily familiar scenes but man, even if I believe for a second that space travel in star wars is almost instantaneous, that's not reason to speed the pace up through what should be one of the most interesting exposition in the while movie.

The entire first order side of this was handled terribly. For one, they're more preoccupied with finding skywalker than using their super weapon. Using it to destroy those core worlds is like an afterthought hux:"hey supreme leader guy, we should like totally use this bad ass laser to like blow up planets n stuff" snoke: "ya that'd be radballs, go 4 it bro! I wish I thought of that". Snoke didn't work for me, I was relieved when its revealed he's a hologram. I get it, power obsessed, he a megalomaniac, metaphor. I get it. But he just seems incredibly generic. Hux too sadly. Domhnall gleeson did his best but his line were pretty gak. The speech just kinda felt flat, I wish there was more substance/ideology put forth in it. His hat also was distracting. Nothing he could do with what was written for him. Kylo ren was ok. His sword is still seems unnecessary. Adam driver is really talented but he looks kinda goofy, big ears, big front teeth. Not sure if the hair was meant to hide the ears or to humanize him some more. If the helmet only came off the once with han and maybe the helmet be partially destroyed by ray with the final sabre blow, that I coulda lived with and would had very much understood it while still not feeling enthralled, but I just saw too much of the him. Too much of a young adult feel to the new order. That's probably intentional, it probably is supposed to use metaphor to replace actual interesting exposition over vague inference. Hux and ren were probably supposed to be similar age to help push the rival vibe, for whatever reason. Points for at least not verbatim copying tarkin and vader's mad dog on a leash thing, but it just wasn't very interesting.

The resistance... why is it the resistance if the republic...is...back? Why is leia a general but has no dialogue and barely seems in charge of anything, I suspect maybe there was more and it was either cut or they couldn't coax it out of carrie fisher. Leia's best scenes in the original trilogy is when she's addressing the pilots on hoth and "generaling" the gak out of every early scene, it's a shame she felt more like a cameo. It was nice to see her, wish she had more to say. Leia and Ray never meet face to face until the end, but they hug. The entire starkiller base is planet sized and they happen to land on the continent where ray is. Tie fighters apparently now seat two people, I was actually fine with that until it never came up again and none of the tie fighters seemed to be shooting from the rear. Why did they bomb the crap out the bar when they wanted the droid?

Where did the map come from? Why go into hiding and leave a treasure map? Why is finding him so important to the resistance and the first order, in so much that it would seem the entire focus and or "raison d'etre" of both parties, no intergalactic civil war to speak of. Wouldn't the senate and thus the republic have to fall before a resistance could exist? The star killer base has been around long enough that fin served on it and was in sanitation and yet they wait until a really random and arbitrary time to take it out for a spin.

Taking the mask off.... just no. It reads like a contractual obligation or something, which I understand to some extent for up and coming stars but god damn man, maybe the once for the han scene but it was too much. I also don't understand why they execute all the villagers, I understand its presence in the story make fin re-think this whole new order thing and ofcourse to reinforce new order = bad guys. This could have been a good framing device for the state of the first order like they're still really obscure or secretive or something. But now, everyone seems to know who they are and/or in their employ one way or the other, both the groups of pirates were well aware of them. So why execute everyone? There's any number of reasons I'd buy but it felt too forced to me.

Anyway, it lost points because it had a good thing going but in typical jj fashion chose to keep the backstory as something you're actively encouraged to ignore and not think about. The world you create is just as important as the characters you put in it. If mad max can do enough to clue me in and still have plenty of detail in all that action, star wars can too. If mad max can make the old feel new, star wars can and should too.



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I think this really sums up a lot of my problems with the movie. It's fun while you're watching it, but when you stop to think about it the plot holes are just ridiculous. It's like they have to keep the action moving forward fast enough to cover up how little thought went into figuring out how it's all supposed to work. And there's really no excuse when we're talking about an infinite-budget movie that any expert you could ask for would sell their soul to work on.

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Just so you know, hiding things under a spoiler tag isn't necessary.

As far as the TIE fighters go, there are two different versions. There is the standard TIE fighter, which is a single seat fighter like the original, except it is all black with white wing panels. The TIE that Poe and Finn steal is a Special Forces TIE, which has the red of the hull and is a two-seater. Also, during the attack on Maz's castle, there are a few Special Forces TIEs fighting against the Resistance X-wings. Speaking of which, Kylo Ren wanted BB-8 and the map while General Hux couldn't care less about it; both of them are tying to outmaneuver each other and they definitely don't get a long. I believe making the people of the First Order young overall was a deliberate choice; they're essentially hard-line fanatics indoctrinated by the First Order from birth.

I don't agree with your idea this movie, in "typical JJ fashion," makes you ignore the backstory. On the contrary, I've thought more about the background than I have pretty much anything else because there are a lot of things going on that we've barely scratched the surface on. I'm an adult that knows how to think so I'm very glad that Kasdan and Abrams chose not to take us by the hand and explain every little background detail to us because as I've said in previous points on this thread, we've had Star Wars movies do that... they're called the Prequels.

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I think attempting to explain every little detail of a fictional story in a fictional universe destroys the mystery behind the movie itself.

I do not need to know how the super weapon moved. They said it could. I do not need them to explain every little detail to me. That is how the travesty of midichlorians came to be. You really want another thing like that to pop up?

No thanks.

PS: Loved the movie. Rey and Finn were very good. I expect the trilogy will be about Rey becoming a Jedi and bringing Kylo Ren back to the light side.
   
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It's not about explaining every tiny detail, it's having things make sense when you think about them. For example, Crablezworth mentioned the attack on the bar. They're looking for a droid that could easily be destroyed by a stray laser shot or crushed under tons of rock, but they fly in and immediately bomb the whole place into rubble. That just doesn't make any sense, and it only works if you shut off your brain and enjoy the spectacular explosions.

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