Dreadwinter wrote:
ke he was using his brute force to overpower his opponent.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Still say I wasn't completely thrilled with rei. Sure luke was also mary sue and Anakin was mary sue but rei never had any training whatsoever and just did all these force powers and even beat kylo ren in a duel. Kylo Ren had years of training under luke skywalker. Also if we're talking about luke blowing up the death star that was under the guidance of obi-wan's spirit ghost. Also watch luke's duel against darth vader. Luke gets his butt kicked. If we're already showing the awesome 2nd in command baddie getting his butt kicked by Rei then what's left. There's only really one big bad sith master at that point and he/she better not disappoint.

From what I understand Kylo Ren had not finished his training with Snoke(Was that his name?). He was decent with a lightsaber, but it didn't appear that he had a whole lot of training in fighting another person with a lightsaber. His swings were very arrogant and it seemed like he was using his brute force to overpower his opponent.

As far as Rei is concerned, we do not have the full information on her. She had a bit of a flashback when she was going for Lukes lightsaber, so I think she may be related to him. She may have also had some training when she was very young. Her clothes in the flashback look very padawan/youngling. She was also left on a desert planet by her family that she never talks about. I think she might have been left there by Luke(who I suspect is the father) and her memory was altered in order to protect her.

 Darkjim wrote:
I think the thing that annoyed me most was the back and forth between Han and Chewie. It seemed at no point over the previous 30 years had Han noticed Chewie had a Bowcaster, or that it was fairly powerful.

Unless Chewie upgraded recently and it wasn't mentioned.

 Crablezworth wrote:
7/10

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The Good:

It was still more entertaining than the prequels. The new leads were likeable. Han Solo had some killer lines and everything about him and chewie sold it and anchored this jaded old timer and was the perfect tonic to help suspend disbelief and quiet down my stupid brain with all its thinking. The sound was amazing, the visuals were amazing, the action was surprisingly grounded and very well shot. The transitions weren't overdone. The pace and the character development was really good until it got cranked up to 11. I would recommend this movie, I would watch it again. It's funny and exciting, the new characters are interesting and likeable, oscar isaac nails poe dameron. Great character. Ray seemingly living in the wreck of an at-at was amazing. I didn't recognize simon pegg at all, that was cool.


The Bad:

I'm sure I'll sound a little harsh and rambling, I'm sure half of this is just nitpicking for the sake of it. The story was good enough up until the csi-level forced exposition scene where an attack on the "star killer base" is apparently planned democratically in about 45 seconds in the military equivalent of detectives barking back and forth across a bullpen. I can understand feeling a bit guilty about recycling half the plot and not wanting to tread water too long in eerily familiar scenes but man, even if I believe for a second that space travel in star wars is almost instantaneous, that's not reason to speed the pace up through what should be one of the most interesting exposition in the while movie.

The entire first order side of this was handled terribly. For one, they're more preoccupied with finding skywalker than using their super weapon. Using it to destroy those core worlds is like an afterthought hux:"hey supreme leader guy, we should like totally use this bad ass laser to like blow up planets n stuff" snoke: "ya that'd be radballs, go 4 it bro! I wish I thought of that". Snoke didn't work for me, I was relieved when its revealed he's a hologram. I get it, power obsessed, he a megalomaniac, metaphor. I get it. But he just seems incredibly generic. Hux too sadly. Domhnall gleeson did his best but his line were pretty gak. The speech just kinda felt flat, I wish there was more substance/ideology put forth in it. His hat also was distracting. Nothing he could do with what was written for him. Kylo ren was ok. His sword is still seems unnecessary. Adam driver is really talented but he looks kinda goofy, big ears, big front teeth. Not sure if the hair was meant to hide the ears or to humanize him some more. If the helmet only came off the once with han and maybe the helmet be partially destroyed by ray with the final sabre blow, that I coulda lived with and would had very much understood it while still not feeling enthralled, but I just saw too much of the him. Too much of a young adult feel to the new order. That's probably intentional, it probably is supposed to use metaphor to replace actual interesting exposition over vague inference. Hux and ren were probably supposed to be similar age to help push the rival vibe, for whatever reason. Points for at least not verbatim copying tarkin and vader's mad dog on a leash thing, but it just wasn't very interesting.

The resistance... why is it the resistance if the republic...is...back? Why is leia a general but has no dialogue and barely seems in charge of anything, I suspect maybe there was more and it was either cut or they couldn't coax it out of carrie fisher. Leia's best scenes in the original trilogy is when she's addressing the pilots on hoth and "generaling" the gak out of every early scene, it's a shame she felt more like a cameo. It was nice to see her, wish she had more to say. Leia and Ray never meet face to face until the end, but they hug. The entire starkiller base is planet sized and they happen to land on the continent where ray is. Tie fighters apparently now seat two people, I was actually fine with that until it never came up again and none of the tie fighters seemed to be shooting from the rear. Why did they bomb the crap out the bar when they wanted the droid?

Where did the map come from? Why go into hiding and leave a treasure map? Why is finding him so important to the resistance and the first order, in so much that it would seem the entire focus and or "raison d'etre" of both parties, no intergalactic civil war to speak of. Wouldn't the senate and thus the republic have to fall before a resistance could exist? The star killer base has been around long enough that fin served on it and was in sanitation and yet they wait until a really random and arbitrary time to take it out for a spin.

Taking the mask off.... just no. It reads like a contractual obligation or something, which I understand to some extent for up and coming stars but god damn man, maybe the once for the han scene but it was too much. I also don't understand why they execute all the villagers, I understand its presence in the story make fin re-think this whole new order thing and ofcourse to reinforce new order = bad guys. This could have been a good framing device for the state of the first order like they're still really obscure or secretive or something. But now, everyone seems to know who they are and/or in their employ one way or the other, both the groups of pirates were well aware of them. So why execute everyone? There's any number of reasons I'd buy but it felt too forced to me.

Anyway, it lost points because it had a good thing going but in typical jj fashion chose to keep the backstory as something you're actively encouraged to ignore and not think about. The world you create is just as important as the characters you put in it. If mad max can do enough to clue me in and still have plenty of detail in all that action, star wars can too. If mad max can make the old feel new, star wars can and should too.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
I also wouldn't put it past Disney to have a storyline making her Luke's lost child from a love affair with a padawan. A child he knows nothing about just as Vader knew nothing about him until revealed in Empire Strikes Back.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


Vader did know that he'd had a child, but he was just under the impression that Luke died in childbirth.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My only problem was the Starkiller base. As for super weapons it's too closely related to a Deathstar. A big round death ball with extremely fatal design flaw. Not to mention a star would go supernova and then collapse if you "vacuumed" off the outer layers. I also guess the SW universe is able to move a whole planet via hyperspace? JJ needs to lay off the super impossible science a bit. I know Star Wars is more Space Opera than Sci-fi but take it back a notch JJ. just my opinion.

As for the ship argument I really don't care about differences with: T-65 vs. T-70, or Tie vs. Tie mk 2. Where the hell where the A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors...etc.?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My only problem was the Starkiller base. As for super weapons it's too closely related to a Deathstar. A big round death ball with extremely fatal design flaw. Not to mention a star would go supernova and then collapse if you "vacuumed" off the outer layers. I also guess the SW universe is able to move a whole planet via hyperspace? JJ needs to lay off the super impossible science a bit. I know Star Wars is more Space Opera than Sci-fi but take it back a notch JJ. just my opinion.

As for the ship argument I really don't care about differences with: T-65 vs. T-70, or Tie vs. Tie mk 2. Where the hell where the A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors...etc.?

A star wouldn't go supernova if you vacuum the outer layers.

Supernovas are caused by the gravity of the star becoming greater than the radiative pressure of the light trying to escape from the core due to the fusion process no longer generating enough energy to sustain that pressure. Removing the outer layers of a star would have no major effect on the fusion in the core, let alone cause a supernova.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My only problem was the Starkiller base. As for super weapons it's too closely related to a Deathstar. A big round death ball with extremely fatal design flaw. Not to mention a star would go supernova and then collapse if you "vacuumed" off the outer layers. I also guess the SW universe is able to move a whole planet via hyperspace? JJ needs to lay off the super impossible science a bit. I know Star Wars is more Space Opera than Sci-fi but take it back a notch JJ. just my opinion.

As for the ship argument I really don't care about differences with: T-65 vs. T-70, or Tie vs. Tie mk 2. Where the hell where the A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors...etc.?

A star wouldn't go supernova if you vacuum the outer layers.

Supernovas are caused by the gravity of the star becoming greater than the radiative pressure of the light trying to escape from the core due to the fusion process no longer generating enough energy to sustain that pressure. Removing the outer layers of a star would have no major effect on the fusion in the core, let alone cause a supernova.

As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


Would it cause the star to expand, Red Giant style? Or would there be no change whatsoever?

 welshhoppo wrote:
Yeah, eventually the star would collapse and explode In some way. But Starkiller seems to drain the star pretty quickly. That isn't enough time to cause an explosion.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My only problem was the Starkiller base. As for super weapons it's too closely related to a Deathstar. A big round death ball with extremely fatal design flaw. Not to mention a star would go supernova and then collapse if you "vacuumed" off the outer layers. I also guess the SW universe is able to move a whole planet via hyperspace? JJ needs to lay off the super impossible science a bit. I know Star Wars is more Space Opera than Sci-fi but take it back a notch JJ. just my opinion.

As for the ship argument I really don't care about differences with: T-65 vs. T-70, or Tie vs. Tie mk 2. Where the hell where the A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors...etc.?

A star wouldn't go supernova if you vacuum the outer layers.

Supernovas are caused by the gravity of the star becoming greater than the radiative pressure of the light trying to escape from the core due to the fusion process no longer generating enough energy to sustain that pressure. Removing the outer layers of a star would have no major effect on the fusion in the core, let alone cause a supernova.

Oh really...as you yank off the outer layers of fuel what happens next?

Straight from NASA's website

As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Just watched it.

Where the feth was the Luke Skywalker line from the trailer:

"The force is strong in my family. I have it. My father has it. My sister has it. You have that power too."

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My only problem was the Starkiller base. As for super weapons it's too closely related to a Deathstar. A big round death ball with extremely fatal design flaw. Not to mention a star would go supernova and then collapse if you "vacuumed" off the outer layers. I also guess the SW universe is able to move a whole planet via hyperspace? JJ needs to lay off the super impossible science a bit. I know Star Wars is more Space Opera than Sci-fi but take it back a notch JJ. just my opinion.

As for the ship argument I really don't care about differences with: T-65 vs. T-70, or Tie vs. Tie mk 2. Where the hell where the A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors...etc.?

A star wouldn't go supernova if you vacuum the outer layers.

Supernovas are caused by the gravity of the star becoming greater than the radiative pressure of the light trying to escape from the core due to the fusion process no longer generating enough energy to sustain that pressure. Removing the outer layers of a star would have no major effect on the fusion in the core, let alone cause a supernova.

Oh really...as you yank off the outer layers of fuel what happens next?

Straight from NASA's website

As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova.

That is a very simplified explanation. It would be more accurate to say that as the star begins to run out of its primary fuel source within the core (hydrogen) it begins to instead burn the hydrogen in the shells around the core. This also has the effect of making the star swell and become more red, turning the star into a red giant. After a while the produced Helium, which is pulled into the core as it is formed due to its heavier mass than hydrogen, results in enough pressure within the core to reach the temperatures required for the fusion of helium and this causes a Helium flash and the star begins burning Helium within its core. The star is now a yellow giant. This process repeats as more and more heavier elements get deposited in the stars core, all the way up to Iron-56 if the star was big enough. As this happens the core gets compressed by gravity, forming a white dwarf within the centre of the star. Small to medium stars then gradually lose their atmosphere as it is blown away by the radiation from the white dwarf.

Now, if the white dwarf exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit (1.4 solar masses) then it will reach a point where the gravitational pull of the core is stronger than the electron degeneracy pressure that would usually prevent the core from collapsing further than it already has done. This results in a situation where electrons and protons fuse together, producing neutrons and neutrinos. The neutrinos fly away without a care in the world but the neutrons are stuck. These neutrons collapse into each other and undergo degeneracy, similar to the electrons, which forms a neutron star. The outer atmosphere of the star, however, is currently accelerating towards this neutron core due to gravity and slams into it, generating an enormous shockwave, which is the Supernova explosion which has enough energy to fuse elements heavier than Iron.

Then, if the left over neutron star is massive enough, gravity overcomes neutron degeneracy and the neutron star collapses into itself, forming a black hole.

So no, pulling off the outer layers of a star will not cause a supernova unless doing so is somehow increasing the mass of the core to the point that gravity overcomes the radiative pressure.

Source: Physics with Astrophysics Bsc.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:


Would a change in Density change that? we'll never know.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:
My only problem was the Starkiller base. As for super weapons it's too closely related to a Deathstar. A big round death ball with extremely fatal design flaw. Not to mention a star would go supernova and then collapse if you "vacuumed" off the outer layers. I also guess the SW universe is able to move a whole planet via hyperspace? JJ needs to lay off the super impossible science a bit. I know Star Wars is more Space Opera than Sci-fi but take it back a notch JJ. just my opinion.

As for the ship argument I really don't care about differences with: T-65 vs. T-70, or Tie vs. Tie mk 2. Where the hell where the A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors...etc.?

A star wouldn't go supernova if you vacuum the outer layers.

Supernovas are caused by the gravity of the star becoming greater than the radiative pressure of the light trying to escape from the core due to the fusion process no longer generating enough energy to sustain that pressure. Removing the outer layers of a star would have no major effect on the fusion in the core, let alone cause a supernova.

Oh really...as you yank off the outer layers of fuel what happens next?

Straight from NASA's website

As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova.

That is a very simplified explanation. It would be more accurate to say that as the star begins to run out of its primary fuel source within the core (hydrogen) it begins to instead burn the hydrogen in the shells around the core. This also has the effect of making the star swell and become more red, turning the star into a red giant. After a while the produced Helium, which is pulled into the core as it is formed due to its heavier mass than hydrogen, results in enough pressure within the core to reach the temperatures required for the fusion of helium and this causes a Helium flash and the star begins burning Helium within its core. The star is now a yellow giant. This process repeats as more and more heavier elements get deposited in the stars core, all the way up to Iron-56 if the star was big enough. As this happens the core gets compressed by gravity, forming a white dwarf within the centre of the star. Small to medium stars then gradually lose their atmosphere as it is blown away by the radiation from the white dwarf.

Now, if the white dwarf exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit (1.4 solar masses) then it will reach a point where the gravitational pull of the core is stronger than the electron degeneracy pressure that would usually prevent the core from collapsing further than it already has done. This results in a situation where electrons and protons fuse together, producing neutrons and neutrinos. The neutrinos fly away without a care in the world but the neutrons are stuck. These neutrons collapse into each other and undergo degeneracy, similar to the electrons, which forms a neutron star. The outer atmosphere of the star, however, is currently accelerating towards this neutron core due to gravity and slams into it, generating an enormous shockwave, which is the Supernova explosion which has enough energy to fuse elements heavier than Iron.

Then, if the left over neutron star is massive enough, gravity overcomes neutron degeneracy and the neutron star collapses into itself, forming a black hole.

So no, pulling off the outer layers of a star will not cause a supernova unless doing so is somehow increasing the mass of the core to the point that gravity overcomes the radiative pressure.

Source: Physics with Astrophysics Bsc.

Would a change in Density change that? we'll never know.

 Flashman wrote:
Was reading the Force Awakens visual dictionary today and was disappointed to learn that Hosian Prime is in a completely different part of the galaxy to Takodana making it somewhat dumb that they could see the resultant explosion

Nice pics of Rey in the VD btw. Mmmm... Rey

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