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And all the Kylo Ren stuff?


I like the way the movie did it more than your suggestion.

 Sigvatr wrote:

If someone has to resort to insults instead of arguments, it tells us more about said person than his arguments.

Is saying your argument is annoying and bs an insult? Are your feelings hurt?

Of course none of that matters because myself, D, Peregrine, and a couple of others has explained in length why it's a poor argument and offered logical counterpoint to every piece of poor criticism against the character.

But yeah, not only are your probably going to keep beating that dead horse, but now your the victim. This keeps getting better and better!

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:


The bit where she hops in the falcon with Chewie as setup for the next movie, is kinda crucial no?

No, not really. But again, according to that very same logic, Luke understanding R2-D2 is a major and crucial plothole. Which, really, I think anyone can agree is simply not the case.

There's droids everywhere though, plus he interacts with R2, like he's handled an astromech before, leading to the "why's this jammed in here?" comment, which leads to them going to see Obi-Wan. Seems pretty crucial to me


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 d-usa wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Did she say "what's this? What's a Wookie? Why is he grunting?" in the movie?

I must have missed that "fact".

How did she learn to "Kenobi" that guard when she was strapped to the chair? Do they really teach toddlers that in Jedi pre-school?

-Possibly in Pre-J or Jedigarden
-Possibly from daddy
-Possibly from the Jedi legends she had heard
-Possibly from the Jedi doing the exact same thing to her in a scene in the same movie

Ah so speculating she's was in a Jedi academy is fine, but speculating she hasn't seen/ heard a wookie before isn't? Gotcha.

You can speculate, and just like you can speculate that Luke has seen an astromech droid based on the way he acts people can speculate that she has seen a Wookie before based on the way she acts.

It's almost as if the people making this movie included scenes that make you think "who is she" instead of putting "this movie is about Rey who was abandoned by X on Y because Z and now we see how she finds Luke who is [relationship]".


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Edit: and even if we want to go as simple as possible with the Kenobing thing:

1) Bad guy tries to Kenobi her
2) She can resist it
3) She does the Kenobi on someone else
4) How did she know that Kenobing is a thing?!?!

Just rewatched it and some things were really glaring.

- Bastila Shan, I mean, Rey was a horrible Mary Sue. I mean, really, come on. At least have some sort of a character flaw.
- Speaking of the KotOR references, the reason Kylo Ren's design was the best was probably because he's almost completely Revan.
- Also, did you know who Kylo's Dad is? Because every other character seems to be need to mention it every five minutes. Did you know who Kylo Ren's Dad is?
- Why does Finn not speak with an Imperial (ie British) accent? Literally every other person in the First Order does and we can see he was raised by the First Order from birth.
- Why does Rey speak with an Imperial accent? Probably because she's Snoke's daughter.
- As others have mentioned, the fact Finn seems like he was press ganged rather than raised as an indoctrinated member of the First Order is a huge plot hole. He could've just been a guy from Tattooine Jakku and not had the whole inconsistency and moral problems associated with the fact they blew up a PLANET with god knows how many innocents on it. I mean, Christ, they probably killed more people than the First Order did in their bombardment of several planets.
- Basically, Finn is the new trilogy's Jar Jar.

Other than that, it was a pretty good film.

Why the feth do you need to have every last detail about a character explicitly explained in the first movie of a trilogy?

Finn being the new Jar-Jar may be the most Jar-Jar thing that I have read so far.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
So I just saw the movie again for the third time today and it definitely holds up. I enjoyed it this time even more than my previous two viewings; opening night was amazing because the crowd and the energy and the second time I was with my kids which is not the optimal way to enjoy a movie (I'm sure parents of elementary school children would agree).

The best part is that every single bit of annoying bs criticism of Rey that has been floated around is addressed in the film so there is no real need to keep arguing about it, though I'm sure people will keep going on about it so here you go:

Spoiler:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Why the feth do you need to have every last detail about a character explicitly explained in the first movie of a trilogy?

I don't know, why did they constantly feel the need to tell us that Han Solo was Kylo Ren's father every five minutes?

I mean, did you know Kylo Ren was Han Solo's son?

 d-usa wrote:
Finn being the new Jar-Jar may be the most Jar-Jar thing that I have read so far.

The woman who worked in the Falcon after Han lost it knows about notifications made to the Falcon after Han lost it while Han doesn't know about the modifications that were made after he lost the ship?

What a Mary Sue...

 nullBolt wrote:


I don't know, why did they constantly feel the need to tell us that Han Solo was Kylo Ren's father every five minutes?

Because it makes sense for Snoke to mention it to Ren when Rey joins up with Solo and for Han to mention it when he sees Leia after seeing Ren taking Rey away.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:


I don't know, why did they constantly feel the need to tell us that Han Solo was Kylo Ren's father every five minutes?

Because it makes sense for Snoke to mention it to Ren when Rey joins up with Solo and for Han to mention it when he sees Leia after seeing Ren taking Rey away.

My dad says "your mom" when he talks to me about my mom. Why does he have to do that, I already know she is my mom...

 d-usa wrote:
The woman who worked in the Falcon after Han lost it knows about notifications made to the Falcon after Han lost it while Han doesn't know about the modifications that were made after he lost the ship?

What a Mary Sue...

There's no indication whatsoever she worked in the MF after Han lost it. She just says it's a "piece of junk".

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Because it makes sense for Snoke to mention it to Ren when Rey joins up with Solo and for Han to mention it when he sees Leia after seeing Ren taking Rey away.

Which is not good screen writing. In fact, it's pretty firmly in the category of awful screen writing.

 d-usa wrote:
My dad says "your mom" when he talks to me about my mom. Why does he have to do that, I already know she is my mom...

Jesus Christ you guys would defend this film if it was literally JJ Abrams taking a huge dump on the screen.

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The woman who worked in the Falcon after Han lost it knows about notifications made to the Falcon after Han lost it while Han doesn't know about the modifications that were made after he lost the ship?

What a Mary Sue...

There's no indication whatsoever she worked in the MF after Han lost it. She just says it's a "piece of junk".

You not paying attention to the movie doesn't equal bad writing.

 nullBolt wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Because it makes sense for Snoke to mention it to Ren when Rey joins up with Solo and for Han to mention it when he sees Leia after seeing Ren taking Rey away.

Which is not good screen writing. In fact, it's pretty firmly in the category of awful screen writing.

So you'd rather have Snoke leave out the important fact that Rey is now with Rens dad when sending Ren after her? Sounds like a really dumb move to send him into a situation like that unprepared.

Or would you rather that Han not mention to Leia that he saw his son? Because that would be even worse.

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The woman who worked in the Falcon after Han lost it knows about notifications made to the Falcon after Han lost it while Han doesn't know about the modifications that were made after he lost the ship?

What a Mary Sue...

There's no indication whatsoever she worked in the MF after Han lost it. She just says it's a "piece of junk".

You not paying attention to the movie doesn't equal bad writing.

You mean those few hours (if that) she was in the Millenium Falcon before Han nabbed them?

You mean that time?

Where she suddenly discovers everything about the Falcon and knows everything about it?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
So you'd rather have Snoke leave out the important fact that Rey is now with Rens dad when sending Ren after her? Sounds like a really dumb move to send him into a situation like that unprepared.

Or would you rather that Han not mention to Leia that he saw his son? Because that would be even worse.

"Han Solo is with them. He is strong."
"I am stronger, Wise Master."
"He will be your greatest challenge yet."
"I am ready."

That's it. There we go. Then later on we reveal that it's his Dad and the conversation earlier becomes foreshadowing.

Not:

"HEY, HAN SOLO, YOUR DAD, IS WITH THEM, YOU KNOW?"
"OH, MY DAD? HAN SOLO, MY DAD, IS WITH THEM?"
"YEP, HAN SOLO, YOUR DAD, IS WITH THEM. CAN YOU BEAT HIM?"

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Because it makes sense for Snoke to mention it to Ren when Rey joins up with Solo and for Han to mention it when he sees Leia after seeing Ren taking Rey away.

Which is not good screen writing. In fact, it's pretty firmly in the category of awful screen writing.

So you'd rather have Snoke leave out the important fact that Rey is now with Rens dad when sending Ren after her? Sounds like a really dumb move to send him into a situation like that unprepared.

Or would you rather that Han not mention to Leia that he saw his son? Because that would be even worse.

Did you see how JJ managed to get that nice curl at the end when he was pooping on screen? Magical!


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 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The woman who worked in the Falcon after Han lost it knows about notifications made to the Falcon after Han lost it while Han doesn't know about the modifications that were made after he lost the ship?

What a Mary Sue...

There's no indication whatsoever she worked in the MF after Han lost it. She just says it's a "piece of junk".

You not paying attention to the movie doesn't equal bad writing.

You mean those few hours (if that) she was in the Millenium Falcon before Han nabbed them?

You mean that time

Where she suddenly discovers everything about the Falcon and knows everything about it?

If you are going to bitch about a movie and criticize the people explaining to you what happened in it, you should at least have the curtesy to actually watch it and pay attention.

I'm done answering questions from people who don't want answers.


One thing I haven't seen mentioned here that was weird was how Han tried the bowcaster out on the freighter and then asked to try it later on in the rubble.

 d-usa wrote:
If you are going to bitch about a movie and criticize the people explaining to you what happened in it, you should at least have the curtesy to actually watch it and pay attention.

So, yes, you meant that time.

 Scrabb wrote:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here that was weird was how Han tried the bowcaster out on the freighter and then asked to try it later on in the rubble.

Bowcasters are meant to be too big for humans to use, anyway. The recoil is meant to fling the user away if they're not Wookiee sized. But feth continuity, right?

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
If you are going to bitch about a movie and criticize the people explaining to you what happened in it, you should at least have the curtesy to actually watch it and pay attention.

So, yes, you meant that time.

I could remind you of the scene where she talks to Han and specifically tells him that she has worked on the Falcon before and specifically mentions that she was with the new owner of the ship when he made the modifications.

But that would probably just be me defending the flies landing on JJ's poop.

 d-usa wrote:
I could remind you of the scene where she talks to Han and specifically tells him that she has worked on the Falcon before and specifically mentions that she was with the new owner of the ship when he made the modifications.

But that would probably just be me defending the flies landing on JJ's poop.

I think you literally just made that up. Looked through all the Wookieepedia articles and it's not mentioned AT ALL.

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I could remind you of the scene where she talks to Han and specifically tells him that she has worked on the Falcon before and specifically mentions that she was with the new owner of the ship when he made the modifications.

But that would probably just be me defending the flies landing on JJ's poop.

I think you literally just made that up. Looked through all the Wookieepedia articles and it's not mentioned AT ALL.

Wokieepedia is not definitive.

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I could remind you of the scene where she talks to Han and specifically tells him that she has worked on the Falcon before and specifically mentions that she was with the new owner of the ship when he made the modifications.

But that would probably just be me defending the flies landing on JJ's poop.

I think you literally just made that up. Looked through all the Wookieepedia articles and it's not mentioned AT ALL.

No, I watched the movie.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Wokieepedia is not definitive.

 d-usa wrote:
No, I watched the movie.

Feel free to quote me the time in the movie when it was said so I can check it out.

Otherwise you're making stuff up to defend your position, something I wouldn't be shocked by looking through your prior behaviour in this thread.

It's okay to be a fanboy, just don't push your gak on others.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, the working on the Falcon is mentioned. She's talking about something that makes the hyperdrive warm up slower and the stolen journey of the falcon.

Would it have been so hard to add a line about the rest of the list though, that's all I wanted, just like the line bulls eyeing line, is enough for me in ANH.

As I said, the scavenger that captures BB-8 could be a wookie, problem solved there, throw in a scene about her trying to move something for fun, and have it wobble as they leave to go somewhere else (basically the Magneto scene with the chess piece).

 nullBolt wrote:

- Basically, Finn is the new trilogy's Jar Jar.

The dude is the galaxy's most badass janitor. He's killed more stormtroopers than just about anyone else in the movie when he and Poe were stealing the special force Tie fighter.

There was more awesome packed in that single scene than in the whole movie featuring Jar-Jar.

 nullBolt wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Wokieepedia is not definitive.

 d-usa wrote:
No, I watched the movie.

Feel free to quote me the time in the movie when it was said so I can check it out.

Otherwise you're making stuff up to defend your position, something I wouldn't be shocked by looking through your prior behaviour in this thread.

It's okay to be a fanboy, just don't push your gak on others.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's been mentioned quite a few times by other in this thread who have watched the movie.

You can figure stuff like that out when you read threads before posting in them.

 d-usa wrote:
It's been mentioned quite a few times by other in this thread who have watched the movie.

You can figure stuff like that out when you read threads before posting in them.

Seriously, man, I'd go sit down and examine your reaction at people criticising the movie. It's always a good idea not to fall into rampant consumerism and fanboyism.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Well, Rey told him the gun turret was down the ladder.

Maybe having a second turret which is on the top is a modification to the standard corellian freighter design and so she wouldn't have known about it?

Or perhaps she did know about the upper gun but it was damaged or otherwise inoperable? I don't think we ever see it fire in the film.

Really? She knows all the ins and outs about the hyper drive but failed to spot the huge blasters on the roof? Don't be silly.

If there was something wrong with them there should have been some dialogue to support that.

 nullBolt wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's been mentioned quite a few times by other in this thread who have watched the movie.

You can figure stuff like that out when you read threads before posting in them.

Seriously, man, I'd go sit down and examine your reaction at people criticising the movie. It's always a good idea not to fall into rampant consumerism and fanboyism.

No need to go down this road, it's just a film after all.

As I recall, they've just been tractored beamed by Han, and he asks where they got it (while they're squeeming about being on the falcon, she says so and so the junk dealer got it from, these brothers, who stole it from the guy who stole it from Han. and she mentions about having worked on it at the behest of the Junk dealer, and not agreeing with the installation of the mcguffin.

 nullBolt wrote:
Seriously, man, I'd go sit down and examine your reaction at people criticising the movie. It's always a good idea not to fall into rampant consumerism and fanboyism.

That's not a reaction at criticism of the movie, it's a reaction of you accusing them of fanboyism and making stuff up. And you're simply wrong about this, no matter how hostile you want to get. The movie makes it very clear that Rey had been around for some of the modifications to the Falcon. Which really shouldn't be controversial given that she's a scavenger and the ship is sitting in "her" scrapyard.