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yea i simply refuse to play with you anymore ever again. and you have one less person to play with in the world, and at the rate youd lose opponents i doubt youd keep playing anymore ever again

Unbound. 123 one-man Court of the Archon units containing a single Ur Ghoul.

niv-mizzet wrote:

Sheit27 wrote:


That Iron halo list was quite a bit different from this one.... Nice try though

Meh, opinions. Yeah there are a lot of differences, but most of them involve reserves. The initial deployment is still mainly a bunch of jetbikes and no wraithknight. I think a typical ending to the game between us would be that he would have two hemlocks left zipping around while I have all the objectives dogpiled on.

But hey, if he thinks it will win in their meta over there, have at it. Take a camera and do some picture/video so we can see what you manage to pull off with it.


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Just went and read da boyz rules out of curiosity. "Pseudo-highlander," no LoW, 2 sources max. The weirdest thing to me is that w/l/d is irrelevant to your ranking. They go by straight up points. O.O

I was gonna say that I predicted 3-2 or 4-1 for your list, but I guess that's kind of unimportant with that last rule in place. It's a decent list inside those restrictions, but I don't see it winning at the very tip-top tables without some variables falling into place for you. (IE good matchups, good luck, opponent makes some mistakes etc.)

Im sure I'll be fine, the goal is to win and have fun doing it, as for match ups that's always a hot or miss and luck, we are playing a dice game :p it's all luck. Well at least a big part of it haha as for mistakes, every player makes mistakes when they play, it's a good general that takes advantage of those mistakes.


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Also that's last years comp rules, we don't know this years yet


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 ionusx wrote:
yea i simply refuse to play with you anymore ever again. and you have one less person to play with in the world, and at the rate youd lose opponents i doubt youd keep playing anymore ever again

To bad that at a tournement you would have to play me lol in case you didn't read the comments this is a list for a GT coming up, it's not suppose to be a friendly list, but either way I have plenty of people to play against in my gaming group and we all have fun, we've learned to turn down the suck (hard lists) so we all play competitively that's how you get better at the game. But I guess to each there own

 Tenzilla wrote:
308 Slugga Boys

Lmao.

 ionusx wrote:
yea i simply refuse to play with you anymore ever again. and you have one less person to play with in the world, and at the rate youd lose opponents i doubt youd keep playing anymore ever again

Maybe I'll see you at Astro Winnipeg haha

my buddy played tyranids last night that I'm pretty sure would wreck your list. two flyrants and two mawlocs will reliably delete a unit of jetbikes each per turn. if the tyranid player goes second you could be in a world of hurt unless he whiffs reserve rolls.

i think tyranids are without question the scariest list right now. 5 flyrants and 2 mawlocs scares me more than anything. even with a legal da boyz comp its still scary.

I've played against it and tabled it. Hive tyrants aren't hard to kill, and mawlocks are great until the come on the table kill 3 bikes and then get killed or better yet i go on the second floor or a building and the mawlocks do nothing lol

There are no op lists, only op players.

fasi123 wrote:
There are no op lists, only op players.

very true

Blah, a similar list got tabled by our regular marine player the other day using iron hands chapter tactics. The eldar player was none to happy.

@OP, why doesn't your list start with something like these?
1 Windrider Host
2+ Wraithknights
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/08/beat-these-eldar-the-pair-of-lists-you-dont-want-to-face.html

You could probably squeeze in a couple more WKs, but variety might be better.

Dman137 wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:

Sheit27 wrote:


That Iron halo list was quite a bit different from this one.... Nice try though

Meh, opinions. Yeah there are a lot of differences, but most of them involve reserves. The initial deployment is still mainly a bunch of jetbikes and no wraithknight. I think a typical ending to the game between us would be that he would have two hemlocks left zipping around while I have all the objectives dogpiled on.

But hey, if he thinks it will win in their meta over there, have at it. Take a camera and do some picture/video so we can see what you manage to pull off with it.


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Just went and read da boyz rules out of curiosity. "Pseudo-highlander," no LoW, 2 sources max. The weirdest thing to me is that w/l/d is irrelevant to your ranking. They go by straight up points. O.O

I was gonna say that I predicted 3-2 or 4-1 for your list, but I guess that's kind of unimportant with that last rule in place. It's a decent list inside those restrictions, but I don't see it winning at the very tip-top tables without some variables falling into place for you. (IE good matchups, good luck, opponent makes some mistakes etc.)

Im sure I'll be fine, the goal is to win and have fun doing it, as for match ups that's always a hot or miss and luck, we are playing a dice game :p it's all luck. Well at least a big part of it haha as for mistakes, every player makes mistakes when they play, it's a good general that takes advantage of those mistakes.


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 ionusx wrote:
yea i simply refuse to play with you anymore ever again. and you have one less person to play with in the world, and at the rate youd lose opponents i doubt youd keep playing anymore ever again

To bad that at a tournement you would have to play me lol in case you didn't read the comments this is a list for a GT coming up, it's not suppose to be a friendly list, but either way I have plenty of people to play against in my gaming group and we all have fun, we've learned to turn down the suck (hard lists) so we all play competitively that's how you get better at the game. But I guess to each there own

good thing i can always forfeit matches then whew

Eldar aren't that crazy if it weren't for scat bikes. Wave serpents used to be stupid with their ignore cover. Scat bikes are dumb because they're troops and can be spammed so hard and so cheap. It's annoying that no other army has a troop unit that can put out so much high strength shooting so cheap, mobile, durable and obsec.

At the end of the day, sportsman scores go a long way towards best overall. I know a lot of guys (myself included) who would tank the sports score on a list like this.

Building a counter to the list isn't hard. Doing it Da Boyz comp is hard because it's so restrictive and really neuters a lot of armies.

I like how it says they won't publish their mission types but then go on to state that Maelstrom won't be used so you can safely assume it's EW and plan for that lol. Not the best tournament out there, particulary when Eldar can spam their one of their top units and everyone else is stuck with whatever they have. I'd love to bring Warbiker mobs up there, but Zhadsnark himself takes up one of my two sources and Bullyboyz just works for me.

OP list looks fine. Ofc the Culexus, Aspect Host and CAD are illegal by Da Boyz format but you've already posted a list where the Culexus is replaced by a Crimson Hunter. Easy fix there.

raoiley wrote:
Eldar aren't that crazy if it weren't for scat bikes. Wave serpents used to be stupid with their ignore cover. Scat bikes are dumb because they're troops and can be spammed so hard and so cheap. It's annoying that no other army has a troop unit that can put out so much high strength shooting so cheap, mobile, durable and obsec.

At the end of the day, sportsman scores go a long way towards best overall. I know a lot of guys (myself included) who would tank the sports score on a list like this.

Building a counter to the list isn't hard. Doing it Da Boyz comp is hard because it's so restrictive and really neuters a lot of armies.

Tanking someone's sports score based on there army is a pretty stupid thing to do seeing as how they are as a person has nothing to do with there army, if your going to a compatitve event your bring a compatitive army, but hey if you like tanking people's scores then it just goes to show what kind of person you are


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 Frozocrone wrote:
I like how it says they won't publish their mission types but then go on to state that Maelstrom won't be used so you can safely assume it's EW and plan for that lol. Not the best tournament out there, particulary when Eldar can spam their one of their top units and everyone else is stuck with whatever they have. I'd love to bring Warbiker mobs up there, but Zhadsnark himself takes up one of my two sources and Bullyboyz just works for me.

OP list looks fine. Ofc the Culexus, Aspect Host and CAD are illegal by Da Boyz format but you've already posted a list where the Culexus is replaced by a Crimson Hunter. Easy fix there.

Yeah there comp from last year really helps eldar, tho most events I've been to don't comp troops so it's kinda silly the amount of bikes I can bring.
Yeah the list with the Hunter my original list and I like it as well since it adds some AA, I'm still waiting on the comp for this years event but there taking forever to post it, but if they allow 3 sources then I'm going to try out the assassin, he may do good, might do bad, who knows if anything he will be something annoying for my opponents to kill lol


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A buddy of mine is bringing a ork bike army lol he's still working out the list but I remember him saying ork biker army


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 ionusx wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:

Sheit27 wrote:


That Iron halo list was quite a bit different from this one.... Nice try though

Meh, opinions. Yeah there are a lot of differences, but most of them involve reserves. The initial deployment is still mainly a bunch of jetbikes and no wraithknight. I think a typical ending to the game between us would be that he would have two hemlocks left zipping around while I have all the objectives dogpiled on.

But hey, if he thinks it will win in their meta over there, have at it. Take a camera and do some picture/video so we can see what you manage to pull off with it.


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Just went and read da boyz rules out of curiosity. "Pseudo-highlander," no LoW, 2 sources max. The weirdest thing to me is that w/l/d is irrelevant to your ranking. They go by straight up points. O.O

I was gonna say that I predicted 3-2 or 4-1 for your list, but I guess that's kind of unimportant with that last rule in place. It's a decent list inside those restrictions, but I don't see it winning at the very tip-top tables without some variables falling into place for you. (IE good matchups, good luck, opponent makes some mistakes etc.)

Im sure I'll be fine, the goal is to win and have fun doing it, as for match ups that's always a hot or miss and luck, we are playing a dice game :p it's all luck. Well at least a big part of it haha as for mistakes, every player makes mistakes when they play, it's a good general that takes advantage of those mistakes.


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Also that's last years comp rules, we don't know this years yet


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 ionusx wrote:
yea i simply refuse to play with you anymore ever again. and you have one less person to play with in the world, and at the rate youd lose opponents i doubt youd keep playing anymore ever again

To bad that at a tournement you would have to play me lol in case you didn't read the comments this is a list for a GT coming up, it's not suppose to be a friendly list, but either way I have plenty of people to play against in my gaming group and we all have fun, we've learned to turn down the suck (hard lists) so we all play competitively that's how you get better at the game. But I guess to each there own

good thing i can always forfeit matches then whew

Forfeit is ok with me, full battle points haha

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 Tenzilla wrote:
308 Slugga Boys

Id love to play against that lol id bring a book tho to read while he moves all his dudes lol

You'd get krumped you with infinite attacks in CC

You don't stand a chance against that list.

Dman137 wrote:

 ionusx wrote:
yea i simply refuse to play with you anymore ever again. and you have one less person to play with in the world, and at the rate youd lose opponents i doubt youd keep playing anymore ever again

Maybe I'll see you at Astro Winnipeg haha

if you bring normal eldar better bring a rubix cube then as i refuse to play them period. your going to have about 25-30min to kill

 ionusx wrote:
To bad that at a tournement you would have to play me lol in case you didn't read the comments this is a list for a GT coming up, it's not suppose to be a friendly list, but either way I have plenty of people to play against in my gaming group and we all have fun, we've learned to turn down the suck (hard lists) so we all play competitively that's how you get better at the game. But I guess to each there own

This is an interesting point, and I don't want to get carried away and spin in circles, but my position on this has recently faltered.

Fluffy friendly games can be fun, and I like the opportunity to try out campaigns, unbalanced games, or build your own unique characters. My first love is RPGs and multi model RPGs like Necromunda. I digress, the last year or so this dynamic in my own play group became somewhat mired in "That is OP!." Which is to say we nearly ran a Veto power on what people could bring to the table.

In some play groups that sounds reasonable, but I realized that what it ultimately amounts to is that over the last 3 years we have all sort of started to suck at the game. Flyers are still a rarity on our table. Forgeworld likewise, and no one is learning how to deal with these (no longer new) elements of the game.

Essentially the point is that to a degree I think that sportsmanship and competitiveness go together better in a playgroup than politics and kind lists.


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 ionusx wrote:
if you bring normal eldar better bring a rubix cube then as i refuse to play them period. your going to have about 25-30min to kill

Please defend this position logically. Being a TO is hard enough with the normal gamer level of antisocial behavior. If your position on Eldar at a tournament is to pout, how can you defend attending a tournament?

I am 100% certain that you would have a time and a half with a well built gladius strike force, and honestly I am quite certain that I would walk you with my competition Scars/Fists list.... The scars are obviously bikes, and the fists detachment runs off half your army in the first couple turns

Thyhadras wrote:
I am 100% certain that you would have a time and a half with a well built gladius strike force, and honestly I am quite certain that I would walk you with my competition Scars/Fists list.... The scars are obviously bikes, and the fists detachment runs off half your army in the first couple turns

I doubt it but hey who knows maybe. All those 5 man squads are soo hard to kill lmao 88 S6 shots from 36" away I find it very hard to believe you could win let alone table me lol

It would be an amazing game. .. and I don't think the result would be consistent no matter how many times we played

Thyhadras wrote:
It would be an amazing game. .. and I don't think the result would be consistent no matter how many times we played

Yeah that's true, every game has its ups and downs and no out come is ever certain, but I guess that goes for all dice game

Also, the gladius strike force scouts, has 17 bikes, all razor back, and on turn 1 puts out 42 ap 2 shots that are strength 7 or better... furthermore, if it goes first essentially deploys on the edge of your deployment zone...

The White scars army has chapter master,
command squad

bike squad attack bike
bike squad attack bike

and the fists detachment

25 sternguard
3 pods

(this falls into a 1500 point list so I would have to add to it, however, I see it giving you a very good fight and yea I feel pretty confident that I would walk all over you (table no because you speed would protect you) however, I am quite certain that securing a major victory would be a very good likelihood.

Dman137 wrote:

6x swooping hawks /extarch
5x spiders/ extarch
5x spiders/ extarch

This here is all the proof I need of the op's vast and unrivaled knowledge of Eldar...

Thyhadras wrote:
Also, the gladius strike force scouts, has 17 bikes, all razor back, and on turn 1 puts out 42 ap 2 shots that are strength 7 or better... furthermore, if it goes first essentially deploys on the edge of your deployment zone...

The White scars army has chapter master,
command squad

bike squad attack bike
bike squad attack bike

and the fists detachment

25 sternguard
3 pods

(this falls into a 1500 point list so I would have to add to it, however, I see it giving you a very good fight and yea I feel pretty confident that I would walk all over you (table no because you speed would protect you) however, I am quite certain that securing a major victory would be a very good likelihood.

Sounds like a fun list to play against, it would have to come down to first turn and some deployment tricks but it would be a hard fought battle,
What's giving you 42 ap2 shots.? At S7

The one thing is at least st 7... who was mistaken as like 8 are grav shots. The rest is spanking plasma and melts...

The bike army had no where near that number

How about something simple like 6-9 Skyrays with 6-9 Tetras with first turn. You lose every single jetbike + more and still have missiles for the hemlocks.

Sheit27 wrote:
How about something simple like 6-9 Skyrays with 6-9 Tetras with first turn. You lose every single jetbike + more and still have missiles for the hemlocks.

Why would I deploy the bikes if I new that was the list.? I would deploy the D-cannons behind LOS blocking terrain and the assassin somewhere you can't see him. Then when I come on in turn 2 I lay waste to that whole army. Deployment is pretty much the key to any good strategy. And what if I go first.? You can say goodbye to all those units lol maybe not all the skyrays but those tetras are dead.


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Not to meantion, no one would ever bring that list to a event lol you have to understand people make army's to deal with multiple army's not just one type.

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Not to meantion, no one would ever bring that list to a event lol you have to understand people make army's to deal with multiple army's not just one type.

But your "challenge" was for people to come up with a hard counter. We all get the entire point of this thread, now put it away and zip up.

Edited to avoid the wrath of the MODs and seem nicer than I really am...

Dman137 wrote:

Sheit27 wrote:
How about something simple like 6-9 Skyrays with 6-9 Tetras with first turn. You lose every single jetbike + more and still have missiles for the hemlocks.

Why would I deploy the bikes if I new that was the list.? I would deploy the D-cannons behind LOS blocking terrain and the assassin somewhere you can't see him. Then when I come on in turn 2 I lay waste to that whole army. Deployment is pretty much the key to any good strategy. And what if I go first.? You can say goodbye to all those units lol maybe not all the skyrays but those tetras are dead.


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Not to meantion, no one would ever bring that list to a event lol you have to understand people make army's to deal with multiple army's not just one type.

you wont really get out of LOS, tetras would deploy on edge, then get a 12 inch scout move, and then 12 inch movement. they will all markerlight you up and then seeker missiles won't require LOS. so if all you put on is 2-3 units you will be tabled. And I've seen some realistic 6 skyray lists but I doubt anyone would run them.