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I hear ya Nev, but it gets old hearing all the griping about how Eldar is so broken and always the best. I just think if they were SO over powered (I'm not saying WK's aren't undercosted by a ton, because they are) that they would be smashing tournaments right and left. There is always the human factor, that you mentioned, that will balance the game on it's own as well. I had a terrible mismatch against a 'nid opponent and got smashed in round 4 after a mirror match against a different eldar guy round 2 in the KP game.

If I'm going to rant and rave that one book is broken, I don't think it would have a 'hard counter'. It would just be the best all comers overall list. As of right now, there are multiple books winning big GT's, but Eldar hasn't been one of them. That was my point. Sorry if I drug it through the mud, as-it-were, just tired of all the whining I guess, don't really see the point. I might not like a matchup (the one I didn't was war convocation at the IH - and I drew it round 3) but I can still play my pants off to get a result. I manage to tie that game (stupid 11" charge top of turn 5 cost me the game lol not that I'm bitter or anything

Thanks for the comment Nev, PM me what you were running at IH?

Castellan Alaric wrote:


Thanks for the comment Nev, PM me what you were running at IH?

No pm necessary, it's actually open knowledge. :p That list is in this report: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/658173.page
(TL;dr it was the man spam battle co that ended up in first after some clench-worthy close endings in round 5 and 6.)

And as far as the "omg OP" comments, yeah there's a large crowd on the net that doesn't really understand the tourney meta. In ITC there are like 6 tier 1 lists and several tier 2's, and eldar biker/knight CAD's are just a single one of the tier 1 builds. They're good, but at a big event you still need skill and luck on top, because the other 5 top tier lists are just as good.

 niv-mizzet wrote:
And as far as the "omg OP" comments, yeah there's a large crowd on the net that doesn't really understand the tourney meta. In ITC there are like 6 tier 1 lists and several tier 2's, and eldar biker/knight CAD's are just a single one of the tier 1 builds. They're good, but at a big event you still need skill and luck on top, because the other 5 top tier lists are just as good.

This. I don't see the same lists at top tables, so much as I see the same dudes (and sometimes dude-ette).

So, Dman, what tourneys have you taken your list to and crushed all? It's fine enough to wrack up a 9+ page thread on it but how about some tourney titles?

Play against 60 warp spiders from the war host . Watch as they dance all the over place and you can't hit them with unlimited flicker jumps (since we don't play itc here but etc rulings).

On the drop they kill about 20-25 bikes.

Spiders are the god kings, scatter bikes are so 3 months ago. Mobility is king and spiders out do even bikes in that regard.

Unless your opponent brings Knights and then you're dead...

Get in the sides / rear. pew pew dead knights. Oh they shoot back, hide behind terrain. Oh they are trying to charge you? Run 6 jump 2d6 in assault phase.

Yeah that is not going to work. If you get in side/rear 10 Spiders do about 1 HP between them and then get charged. Run 6" and thrust 2d6"? Well in the side you're just moving toward another Knight in the rear you're bouncing off the table edge.

Warp Spiders are good, very good in fact (I own 35 of em) but their inability to deal with AV13+ means relying on them will cost you and cost you big in certain match ups. A couple of Scorpius hiding behind Bunkers full of Centurions likewise ruins your day. Amongst almost any Mech heavy build.

But against the right builds 120 S6 shots is going to really hurt.