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2016/02/08 23:10:16
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
smurfORnot wrote: Does that domitar that was sold have same rules as those iron warrior body guard domitar? Or is he mechanicum unit?
The Domitar (arm gun guy) is out of the Mechanicum Red Book, the Domitar-Ferrum (hammer and shield guy) is out of Book 6, and their stats and wargear are slightly different, so they're not interchangeable.
Oh yeah, now I remember. They are that new over priced unit that you don't wanna take since it's not really worth points. Pitty, really nice model though.
2016/02/09 00:33:44
Subject: Re:Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
That is underestimating things a lot. Right now, and Emperor Titan is about Dreadnought sized, and far undersized for 6mm scale. A WArlord is about Ogryn scale, and a Knight is about the same size as an Space Marine. In proper 10mm scale, it's the Warlord, not the Emperor, that will be Knight sized (and rather similar looking, as they took a lot of design cues from the Warlord when updating the old Paladin Knight) A Reaver would be about the size of the Riptide, and a Warhound the size of a Dreadnought. Knights about Centurion sized.
2016/02/09 02:05:53
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
That is underestimating things a lot. Right now, and Emperor Titan is about Dreadnought sized, and far undersized for 6mm scale. A WArlord is about Ogryn scale, and a Knight is about the same size as an Space Marine. In proper 10mm scale, it's the Warlord, not the Emperor, that will be Knight sized (and rather similar looking, as they took a lot of design cues from the Warlord when updating the old Paladin Knight) A Reaver would be about the size of the Riptide, and a Warhound the size of a Dreadnought. Knights about Centurion sized.
I don't see how. A Warlord Titan was roughly 45mm tall, Ogryn size as you say, and was said by GW to be scaled close to 1/400... at 6mm or 1/285 scale its properly 63mm... at 10mm or 1/160 its properly 112.5mm... a 40k Dreadknight is 114.3mm tall while an Imperial Knight is 157.5mm tall.
2016/02/09 02:23:07
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
Which is confusing, because how the hell are they supposed to do an interesting boxed set with a solid value proposition that focuses on Titans when even the smallest will be Dreadnought-sized.
And by the by, 6mm was "blobby" because of GW's design choices and the technology of the day, it's entirely possible to produce pretty fantastic looking 6mm armies when you realise that the equivalent of "a model" in 28mm is not one single 6mm solider, it's a full stand of them all in formation.
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2016/02/09 02:47:31
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Confused by the epic scale stuff. If 40k is 28mm and epic is 6mm, then a 40k knight scaled down would be about 3.2cm and a warlord would be 13cm. That is still quite big. Maybe they are going the other way, making the scale smaller and doing away with infantry all together.
2016/02/09 03:52:41
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
Which is confusing, because how the hell are they supposed to do an interesting boxed set with a solid value proposition that focuses on Titans when even the smallest will be Dreadnought-sized.
And by the by, 6mm was "blobby" because of GW's design choices and the technology of the day, it's entirely possible to produce pretty fantastic looking 6mm armies when you realise that the equivalent of "a model" in 28mm is not one single 6mm solider, it's a full stand of them all in formation.
I think a modern 6mm marine would only have all the detail of a purity seal and still be pretty blobby.
The original Adeptus Titanicus had 6 warlord titans, roughly dreadnought sized. If they cram in anywhere near as much plastic into this box set, they could easily do a pair of larger Warlords, a pair of Reavers, and a pair of warhounds, before they even get around to doing any terrain.
2016/02/09 05:32:00
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
That is underestimating things a lot. Right now, and Emperor Titan is about Dreadnought sized, and far undersized for 6mm scale. A WArlord is about Ogryn scale, and a Knight is about the same size as an Space Marine. In proper 10mm scale, it's the Warlord, not the Emperor, that will be Knight sized (and rather similar looking, as they took a lot of design cues from the Warlord when updating the old Paladin Knight) A Reaver would be about the size of the Riptide, and a Warhound the size of a Dreadnought. Knights about Centurion sized.
I don't see how. A Warlord Titan was roughly 45mm tall, Ogryn size as you say, and was said by GW to be scaled close to 1/400... at 6mm or 1/285 scale its properly 63mm... at 10mm or 1/160 its properly 112.5mm... a 40k Dreadknight is 114.3mm tall while an Imperial Knight is 157.5mm tall.
I was thinking the newer, larger Ogryn models.
The metal lucius warlord model is about 72mm tall, not 45mm. The metal Anvillis is about 62 mm to the top of the carapace, ignoring the weapons. And the FW40K Mars Warlord is just about 500mm tall to the top of the reactor ridges.
For a box set, it depends on the scale chosen and multi-part vs monopose models. I could see a box set at Battle of Calth price point with say a Reaver, 4 Warhounds, and 12 knights. Make one sprue that is a warhound with one of each gun and 3 knights with the various options of the 40K one- battle cannon, melta, gattling, sword or fist, and option for one to take a missile launcher on top. Then a single multi-part reaver that is Riptide/dreadknight sized with all/most the options. Have the sides be 6 knights each, then either a trio of warhounds, or a reaver + warhound. Save the warlord for a larger kit later.
2016/02/09 07:53:32
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
That is underestimating things a lot. Right now, and Emperor Titan is about Dreadnought sized, and far undersized for 6mm scale. A WArlord is about Ogryn scale, and a Knight is about the same size as an Space Marine. In proper 10mm scale, it's the Warlord, not the Emperor, that will be Knight sized (and rather similar looking, as they took a lot of design cues from the Warlord when updating the old Paladin Knight) A Reaver would be about the size of the Riptide, and a Warhound the size of a Dreadnought. Knights about Centurion sized.
I don't see how. A Warlord Titan was roughly 45mm tall, Ogryn size as you say, and was said by GW to be scaled close to 1/400... at 6mm or 1/285 scale its properly 63mm... at 10mm or 1/160 its properly 112.5mm... a 40k Dreadknight is 114.3mm tall while an Imperial Knight is 157.5mm tall.
I was thinking the newer, larger Ogryn models.
The metal lucius warlord model is about 72mm tall, not 45mm. The metal Anvillis is about 62 mm to the top of the carapace, ignoring the weapons. And the FW40K Mars Warlord is just about 500mm tall to the top of the reactor ridges.
For a box set, it depends on the scale chosen and multi-part vs monopose models. I could see a box set at Battle of Calth price point with say a Reaver, 4 Warhounds, and 12 knights. Make one sprue that is a warhound with one of each gun and 3 knights with the various options of the 40K one- battle cannon, melta, gattling, sword or fist, and option for one to take a missile launcher on top. Then a single multi-part reaver that is Riptide/dreadknight sized with all/most the options. Have the sides be 6 knights each, then either a trio of warhounds, or a reaver + warhound. Save the warlord for a larger kit later.
If they go that big, especially if they're not going to bother with infantry, I'll pass. It'll just be another "cram all your luverly expensive models on the table and roll dice 'till one army falls over!" game if you wanted to use a force of any actual size - christ can you imagine trying to use maneuver and tactics on a normal 6x4 table with a dozen Riptide-size models on either side? Ugh.
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2016/02/09 08:53:57
Subject: Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Yodhrin wrote: ...christ can you imagine trying to use maneuver and tactics on a normal 6x4 table with a dozen Riptide-size models on either side? Ugh.
I think we can safely say that if that happens, we are no longer collecting miniatures. We are effectively collecting puppets. No way around it.
Massive Thanks to GArro at Heresy 30k ( wall of text)
LEGION UPDATES FROM THE NEW LEGION RED BOOK
IF A UNIT IS NOT MENTIONED, THEN IT IS UNCHANGED
Emperor's Children
All models with the LA rule gain +1 initiative on the charge
sonic shriekers are now -1WS to enemy models in base contact which aren't immune to fear. Effects the full length of the combat (not just first round), not just if you charge.
phoenix terminators are WS5
the cacophony weapons are heavy2, previously heavy1
Iron Warriors
iron circle added, elites choice, single unit can be taken as a command squad to perturabo. said unit gains a minor buff of their choice from a list.
tyrant seige terminator squads now heavy support choices
BS5 Iron Havocs
Imperial Fists
phalanx warder squads 'shield wall' rule fixed, now confers +1WS instead of +1I.
dorn's chainsaw has 'unwieldy' replaced with 'reaping blow' (see DG section)
Night Lords
'from the shadows' confers 5+ cover save, use to be 6+
'talent for murder' confers +1 to hit and wound, use to be just to wound
terror squads gain 'precision strike'
sevatar has his additional psyker rules from the FAQ added to his profile, also gains precision strike
Iron Hands
no changes
World eaters
'blood lust' is now on a 4+ rather than a roll of a 1.
previous version of 'incarnate violence' replaced with may re-roll 1's to wound on the turn they charge
Ultramarines
no changes
Death Guard
may re-roll dangerous terrain tests, regardless of what the terrain is
instead of forcing successful rolls to wound with poison and fleshbane, DG get FNP(4+) instead
power scythes lose unwieldy and the ability to replace attack value with number of enemy models in base contact with the following
'reaping blow': -1 initiative, if in base contact with more than one model at their initiative step, they gain +1 attack
grave warden toxin rule replaced with 'poison(3+)' on death cloud and grenade launcher
deathshroud can be taken as a HQ or elites choice, plus as a command squad for a terminator praetor or mortarion.
mortarion's scythe is no longer unwieldy, replaced with 'reaping blow'.
mortarion's witch spite only affects malediction powers affecting him or his squad
Sons of Horus
gain 'death dealer' to their legiones astartes rule, +1BS if shooting at an enemy within 12" with a pistol, rapid fire or assault weapon, doesn't effect snap fire, overwatch or fury of the legion shots.
justearins terminators start off at 255pts for 5 men, may still take upto 7 additional men. they now have 2 wounds
abaddon has precision strike
Word bearers
rules unchanged from tempest
Salamanders
no changes
Raven Guard
Mor deythan are 10pts more expensive at base cost (additional men are still same price)
all dark furies have raven talons by default, no price increase
dark fury sergeant gains 'precision strike'
Kaedes nex gains precision shots
Alpha Legion (or are they?)
saboteur's sabotage attack now AP3 against things with a toughness value, and AP2 against vehicles
headhunters come with combi-bolters as standard, may upgrade them to combi-weapons for the same cost as terminators can.
headhunters replace 'preferred enemy' with 'precision shots'
Sorry for the weird grammar but I've copy-pasted it from a group and that's how it was written.
2016/02/09 09:21:12
Subject: Re:Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Well, until we know more later this year no reason to get upset over something we know nothing about beyond a few words mentioned at and event during Q&A
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2016/02/09 10:08:03
Subject: Re:Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : Page 78 for the latest Forge World Seminar Pics + Info!
Zwan1One wrote: Is it confirmed as 10mm yet? It's just not 6mm so that means it could even be 8mm and not match any other scales out there already. If they are focusing on Titans this might not be such a big deal.
No scale has been confirmed. Just that it will be a different scale.
I'm not surprised by the change. When they made the Epic miniatures the different classes were made to different scale. The infantry was 6mm (1/285) but by GWs own admission the vehicles were 1/300, the aircraft were 1/350, the Titan were closer to 1/400. My guess is that in this era of better plastic technology and bigger plastic kits they will be remaking them to the same common scale. An Emperor Titan properly scaled to 10mm would be closer to a 40k Imperial Knight, a warlord like a 40k dreadknight, etc... It's a lot more exciting that way and accentuates GWs advantage as the number one manufacturer. GW's mantra as a miniature company will keep them from making anything that's too blobby like 6mm was.
That is underestimating things a lot. Right now, and Emperor Titan is about Dreadnought sized, and far undersized for 6mm scale. A WArlord is about Ogryn scale, and a Knight is about the same size as an Space Marine. In proper 10mm scale, it's the Warlord, not the Emperor, that will be Knight sized (and rather similar looking, as they took a lot of design cues from the Warlord when updating the old Paladin Knight) A Reaver would be about the size of the Riptide, and a Warhound the size of a Dreadnought. Knights about Centurion sized.
I don't see how. A Warlord Titan was roughly 45mm tall, Ogryn size as you say, and was said by GW to be scaled close to 1/400... at 6mm or 1/285 scale its properly 63mm... at 10mm or 1/160 its properly 112.5mm... a 40k Dreadknight is 114.3mm tall while an Imperial Knight is 157.5mm tall.
I was thinking the newer, larger Ogryn models.
The metal lucius warlord model is about 72mm tall, not 45mm. The metal Anvillis is about 62 mm to the top of the carapace, ignoring the weapons. And the FW40K Mars Warlord is just about 500mm tall to the top of the reactor ridges.
For a box set, it depends on the scale chosen and multi-part vs monopose models. I could see a box set at Battle of Calth price point with say a Reaver, 4 Warhounds, and 12 knights. Make one sprue that is a warhound with one of each gun and 3 knights with the various options of the 40K one- battle cannon, melta, gattling, sword or fist, and option for one to take a missile launcher on top. Then a single multi-part reaver that is Riptide/dreadknight sized with all/most the options. Have the sides be 6 knights each, then either a trio of warhounds, or a reaver + warhound. Save the warlord for a larger kit later.
Not to clog up this thread with more discussion of scale, but you guys are all over the place with your numbers. A Reaver titan is listed at 22.3 meters high on Lexicanum. Proper 6mm scale is about 1:300. So that would make a Reaver about 7.4cm tall, about the height of a SM dreadnought. This is slightly taller than FW's old Epic Reaver, but not Riptide sized by any stretch of the imagination (FW's aircraft were always bang-on 1:300, but their titans skewed smaller for whatever reason).
A Warlord is listed at 33m tall, which becomes 11.0cm at 1:300 scale. That's almost exactly Riptide sized.
Going by the height of the 28mm models is always going to be a problem, as they're already completely screwed up in scale. There's no consistency between vehicles (hell, no consistency within a single model, with all the distorted dimensions GW loves).
Edit to get this slightly more on topic: I'm glad I waited to buy a red book now. Does that include all the rules you'd need to run any of the legions, or is there still stuff scattered throughout other books you need to reference?
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2016/02/09 12:43:06
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CalgarsPimpHand wrote: I'm glad I waited to buy a red book now. Does that include all the rules you'd need to run any of the legions, or is there still stuff scattered throughout other books you need to reference?
Aye, same here - If they are all within the same book, that would be awesome!
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
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2016/02/09 13:56:07
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SickSix wrote: Well that's disappointing. Instead of harkening back to the old artwork they just made the Stormbird a 'super Thunderhawk'.
This style Stormbird is a pattern in between the Stormbird and the Thunderhawk, I forget the pattern name, but it only carries half the troops and vehicles of the Stormbird, but I think an actual stormbird would be far too large to ever play on a table with. Being able to carry a full marine company...It would be more than a objective on the table, it would be the whole table itself.
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I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
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