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Yeah, if they ever did an Imperator Titan, that would break my will.

Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.

 Gamgee wrote:
You know crabs are pretty under represented in these sorts of games.

You implying that Russian hard plastic wargaming models aren't mainstream?

In the original Adaptus Titanicus game there were mentions of Titan types other than the main three(Warhound, Reaver and Warlord). The only one that ever got a model was the Emperor class, the rest were only ever mentioned in text iirc.
Adaptus Titanicus also had several named Warlord variants that were essentially different fixed weapon load outs(this was before you could mix and match weapons). Although they did provide the base Titan with slightly different stats. FW could use these as "inspiration" in a similar way to how they have used the old RT Marine dreads as a base for there 30k frames.

Is that Barracuda a one piece mold? The old one had a lift off cockpit and a pilot. Have they got rid of it?

Cheers

Andrew

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
You know crabs are pretty under represented in these sorts of games.

You implying that Russian hard plastic wargaming models aren't mainstream?

Spoiler:

 godardc wrote:
Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.

Chaos have quite a few variants on top of the run of the stuff they nab from the IoM.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness Army List book = the old Crusade Army List book, correct? Did they announce a general release date for that yet?

They were talking about the limited edition black "leather" version being out for the FW open day in July, along with the new IA book. They also said they have dropped the numbers for IA books as it got too complicated to number with the reprints; they are going to keep the numbers for the HH books.

The ursarax had sold out by the time I got to the front of the queue, gutted.

Heard that the mastodon had to be recut again to get the molds to work, even then they only last 5-7 goes. It was a straight choice between the mastodon and the Stormbird at this event, they chose the Stormbird even though they only had 5 ready (3 for Saturday and 2 for Sunday). Mastodon will be at the FW Open day in July apparently.

I think Jez said they had over 30 unused Titan variants that they can use for AD. Speaking of Titans, the Chaos Titan will not be done till after they finish the first round of Primarchs.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.

Chaos have quite a few variants on top of the run of the stuff they nab from the IoM.

Chaos had a Slaaneshi scout titan, and then god specific variants of the warlord, of which the Banelord was the only one to get a model (almost 2 models)

I'll be that this new emphasis on new titans is due to the upcoming Adeptus Titanicus- to have more than just the 3 common ones. And if any of the new designs are wildly popular, they can scale up the CAD to make a full 28mm size one.

No plans for the Emperor in 28mm is clearly sane (it would be huge, and like 3000 GBP) but I hope they make it and the Warmonger in AdTi scale. I have 3 of the old plastic ones and would love a new one or two that saw FWs realism take on it.

Also curious if the Lucius pattern titans will make an appearance or if it will be all mars pattern.

Exciting that the IA book should be ready for July.

 godardc wrote:
Will they "invent" new Titans or are they going to make those new Titans based on Epic etc ?
I don't know much about the Titans except about warhounds, reavers, warlords and emperors.

There's a few bits of information about Titan variants that I've been able to track down over the years:

Atlas class Titan - a testbed Titan used by the Diviso Investigatus for testing new technologies
Legatus Class Warlord Command Titan
Vulcan Class Warlord
Nemesis Class Psi-Titan - parts were sculpted and a very limited release happened

Others, such as the nightgaunt, eclipse and Death Bringer Titans were originally names for warlords with different weapon fits, but were most likely names for classes of Titans...

Psi titan would be a cannon/cathedral weapon for the warlords back and perhaps a different head. So the new night is no longer a bolt on kit to the questorius chassis? that thing is huge now is it gonna cost warhound price? For inspiration FW could build some of the chaos titan/knight patterns. The scorpion chicken slannesh has or the goofy khorn variant.

I think they'll do the Emperor class eventually. But that might be many many years away. And once they start it will be even more years away.

I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

I encourage all titans since it means we Tau will make bigger ones in response. Can't wait to see the Tau titan means to be equivalent to the Reaver class. Then eventually the one to match the Warlord. I'll also accept super heavy fliers other than the Manta as well.

Man its gonna be a long wait for AT. Googling all that sweet urban terrain for games like Dropzone commander(2mm scale difference shouldn't be much of an issue with Titans) is really not helping

 Mr Morden wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
You know crabs are pretty under represented in these sorts of games.

You implying that Russian hard plastic wargaming models aren't mainstream?

Spoiler:

 Gamgee wrote:
I think they'll do the Emperor class eventually. But that might be many many years away. And once they start it will be even more years away.

They stated outright during the panel that they will not do it. Makes me wonder if the Warlord was a pain.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

The problem is the strength of the materials involved. As it is right now, the Warlord is pushing at the edge of viability; if that body was actually full of more than air you'd start to get problems with the legs bending and the hip joints in particular starting to crack under the weight of the body above.
An Emperor class Titan, of either pattern, would pretty much have to include a reinforcing skeleton of some sort in the kit. Or be made of a different material than the resin Forge World normally uses. Either way it would mean additional engineering and testing, plus sourcing and supply issues, to where it may not be viable to sell.
Basically, even beginning to design the thing would be taking a significant risk that FW, for the time being, just doesn't have the resources to weather on its own. So yeah, not for many years yet.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

The problem is the strength of the materials involved. As it is right now, the Warlord is pushing at the edge of viability; if that body was actually full of more than air you'd start to get problems with the legs bending and the hip joints in particular starting to crack under the weight of the body above.
An Emperor class Titan, of either pattern, would pretty much have to include a reinforcing skeleton of some sort in the kit. Or be made of a different material than the resin Forge World normally uses. Either way it would mean additional engineering and testing, plus sourcing and supply issues, to where it may not be viable to sell.
Basically, even beginning to design the thing would be taking a significant risk that FW, for the time being, just doesn't have the resources to weather on its own. So yeah, not for many years yet.

Well, with Adeptus Titanicus coming out, an Imperator or Warmonger Titan is very likely. Not for 28mm though. The Warlord as it is just isn't suitable for gaming where you're 24" apart. They have kilometre range weaponry but are fighting where the enemy can hit it with their axes! With the Imperator Titan, whose Volcano Cannon can fire at low orbit starships, would be ridiculous at that range!

In 8mm a Emperor class would probably be between the size of the 40k FW resin knights and the Warhound. So big but totally doable. In regular 28mm scale its carapace would make for a cool set of RoB boards

GoatboyBeta wrote:
In 8mm a Emperor class would probably be between the size of the 40k FW resin knights and the Warhound. So big but totally doable. In regular 28mm scale its carapace would make for a cool set of RoB boards

Maybe?

Is this scale pic right:

TBH the scaling in the old Epic was so out of whack its hard to say from the models. Not sure if there is any old fluff giving actual sizes, even if there is its likely going to be revised as FW lock the scale down for the new 8mm Epic. But as Mr_Rose and zedmeister have pointed out the Warlord is pushing the limits of practicality in 28mm scale. Both in terms of materials used and sheer size.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
TBH the scaling in the old Epic was so out of whack its hard to say from the models. Not sure if there is any old fluff giving actual sizes, even if there is its likely going to be revised as FW lock the scale down for the new 8mm Epic. But as Mr_Rose and zedmeister have pointed out the Warlord is pushing the limits of practicality in 28mm scale. Both in terms of materials used and sheer size.

The old sizes given were all over the place depending on which book or article you read. And, as for the artwork, again you had sizes and scales out of skew. Even Forgeworld were guilty when they made their Epic Titans. Thankfully, Forgeworld's resin vehicles, infantry and aircraft were all scaled to 6mm exactly. But, it did make the Leman Russ look a bit spindly and slightly trolley like!

Actually the sizes given in GW and FW studio material have been pretty consistent. It's only second and third party authors (and artists) who seem to think Titans are literal walking skyscrapers or, as in one particularly egregious example, taller than mountains….

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Actually the sizes given in GW and FW studio material have been pretty consistent. It's only second and third party authors (and artists) who seem to think Titans are literal walking skyscrapers or, as in one particularly egregious example, taller than mountains….

Modern stuff, definitely. Older material from Titan Legions era and the Adeptus Titanicus era had sizes all over the place!

I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?

I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).

They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.

 Alpharius wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
In 8mm a Emperor class would probably be between the size of the 40k FW resin knights and the Warhound. So big but totally doable. In regular 28mm scale its carapace would make for a cool set of RoB boards

Maybe?

Is this scale pic right:

I approve of this picture.

Cannot find all images online but the WD preview of Adeptus Titanicus showed several prototype, unrelesead Jes Goodwin Titan designs, like these




I hope the new AT game will not be 1 Loyalist Warlord accompanied by several Reavers and Warhounds vs 1 Traitor with similiar support. One of the better things about the original game was that large amounts of Warlords fought each other. Like Battletech's Mech Lances. Turning the game into a 'Deathstar vs Deathstar unit' battle (like 2nd Ed's Titan Legions did with the Emperor and Mega Gargants) is not what made the original both spectacular and tactical.

I also fear FW is getting the general idea of the models wrong, Who needs something like 150+ GBP resin Warlord Titans when all their Knight models already are of that size and price? :(


Still hope it will be more like the original boxed set - and that it comes with plastic models

I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.