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 Sammoth wrote:
I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities. {citation needed}

No, they're not. The structure on their shoulders is the size of a (small) cathedral, not a couple of city blocks.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Sammoth wrote:
I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities. {citation needed}

No, they're not. The structure on their shoulders is the size of a (small) cathedral, not a couple of city blocks.

The artwork of them is as inconsistent as the miniatures, tbh. I recall artwork that gave the impression that when walking they can easily step over a few city blocks in a single stride. Descriptions of them mounting weapons normally meant for ship combat, and that their weaponary can threaten ships in low orbit also adds to the confusion. (40k ships are "X BAWKS HUGE" after all)

I think if anything what's exciting about a forge world titanicus game is that FW care alot about keeping things in scale, so we will probably be getting the most acuret depiction we can expect of a emperor titan scale wise.

Yes and we also have art of a warlord Titan stepping over a mountain.
GW is notorious for accepting art that contradicts their own background at least as much as they are for creating an internally inconsistent background in the first place.

 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe?

Is this scale pic right:

Spoiler:

Of course not. Marines aren't 8 feet tall.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe?

Is this scale pic right:

Spoiler:

Of course not. Marines aren't 8 feet tall.

Since when are regular Dreads 17' tall? That's about four feet taller than a semi-trailer. Maybe a contemptor or a levithan but not Stubby McWaddle-Toes...

 Sammoth wrote:
I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.

yeah the scale is really off for the Imperator Titan, the leg bastions where suppose to each hold a company of 50 tech guards..... even the scale of the FW warlord seems off, the warhound and reaver seem about right, but the Warlord is way small ( I can see why due to casting and molding limitations, actually being able to fit it on the game board and well price ofc...).

A in scale Warlord would be HUGE on a 40k table, way to big to be practical, then again GW/FW isn't known for keeing stuff in scale anyways ( rule of cool and all that jazz)

 Breotan wrote:
Since when are regular Dreads 17' tall? That's about four feet taller than a semi-trailer. Maybe a contemptor or a levithan but not Stubby McWaddle-Toes...

Heh! I didn't notice that.

Yeah, that thing's way off. Marines/Dreads too big, bigger titans too small.

 Lockark wrote:
I think if anything what's exciting about a forge world titanicus game is that FW care alot about keeping things in scale, so we will probably be getting the most acuret depiction we can expect of a emperor titan scale wise.

Emperor Titan or not, I'd agree about a more consistent model scale. Even if they had not decided to go to 8mm, having models consistently scaled would make the old epic stuff look out of place at best and in many cases comically undersized.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

 Sammoth wrote:
I don't think that is scale esp for the Emperor Titan. The Stature of Liberty is a lot smaller than people think. Titans Esp. Emperor Titans are supposed to be moving cities.

yeah the scale is really off for the Imperator Titan, the leg bastions where suppose to each hold a company of 50 tech guards..... even the scale of the FW warlord seems off, the warhound and reaver seem about right, but the Warlord is way small ( I can see why due to casting and molding limitations, actually being able to fit it on the game board and well price ofc...).

A in scale Warlord would be HUGE on a 40k table, way to big to be practical, then again GW/FW isn't known for keeing stuff in scale anyways ( rule of cool and all that jazz)

My main disappointment with the Warlord model is that the head is slightly too small- if it was about 1 inch larger in each dimension it would fit the epic model a bit better, and probably have room for the full crew of 5 inside, rather than just 3. The rest of the scale seems pretty close to correct compared to the other titans.

Going from the old Codex Titanicus numbers, Battle titans are 10 to 25 meters tall, with Emperors from 25 to 40. Those numbers are a bit on the short side, but still work pretty well if you count them as measuring to the shoulder, not the highest point. Dies Irae, the Emperor, is noted as 43 meters tall, which if it included the cathedral would make its body shorter than the warlord, so 43 meters to the shoulder, and another 15-20 meters of cathedral, works pretty well for an Emperor. Going by roughly those numbers, a 28mm Emperor would be somewhere like 30" to the level of the platform on the back, with another 10-15" for the upper works. And those upper works are big. In scale, it's basically like putting a realm of battle tile on the top of the titan, then adding a couple Imperial bastions and a fortress of redemption up there.

The legs holding 50 troops, that would work out OK actually. The Bastion model is supposed to hold 20 troops, and the Imperator shin bastion is pretty comparable to scaling a bastion up by 50-60% in every direction. Say 4 levels in the front with 10 men in each, and then there is a small single level section in the back that would fit the remaining 10 men. Put a pair of mauler bolt cannons at the bottom of the foot to guard the doors, then it has a battle cannon at the top of the shin as well.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Maybe?

Is this scale pic right:

Spoiler:

Of course not. Marines aren't 8 feet tall.

Yeah, they should be 9. All things considered it's not so bad though.

8 is plenty

9' is just right I think, 10' is a bit much.

But then, that is a subject that makes Titan height look consistent.

Warhams-77 wrote:


I also fear FW is getting the general idea of the models wrong, Who needs something like 150+ GBP resin Warlord Titans when all their Knight models already are of that size and price? :(

I think the main point of it is that unlike the original AT game and epic series they want all the models to be properly scaled to each other. The original epic line infantry, tanks, flyers, superheavies, and Titans were all produced at different scales consistent only with the other models of the same type. The original Warlord should have been 4.5 inches tall in the 6mm scale, not 2.5 to 3 inches.

I think they have a very good idea of what they're doing. Epic battles are all about the dwarfing scope and scale of combat and when a Warlord Titan stands more than 20 times the height of a space marine that's what you get.

 aka_mythos wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:


I also fear FW is getting the general idea of the models wrong, Who needs something like 150+ GBP resin Warlord Titans when all their Knight models already are of that size and price? :(

I think the main point of it is that unlike the original AT game and epic series they want all the models to be properly scaled to each other. The original epic line infantry, tanks, flyers, superheavies, and Titans were all produced at different scales consistent only with the other models of the same type. The original Warlord should have been 4.5 inches tall in the 6mm scale, not 2.5 to 3 inches.

I think they have a very good idea of what they're doing. Epic battles are all about the dwarfing scope and scale of combat and when a Warlord Titan stands more than 20 times the height of a space marine that's what you get.

No doubt they have a good idea what they are doing. It's just that these are going to be some expensive Titans!

How much were the forge world reaver and warhound Titans?

Zwan1One wrote:


No doubt they have a good idea what they are doing. It's just that these are going to be some expensive Titans!

How much were the forge world reaver and warhound Titans?

The Epic ones? They were dirt cheap - £16 for a Reaver and £16 for two Warhounds!

Aye but in 8mm a Reaver is going to be hovering around Contemptor size, and they ain't £16

I'm setting my expectations at roughly £20 for a Warhound, £40 for a Reaver, and £70 for a Warlord(Terminator Character price, Contemptor price, Leviathan price) and if they come in less than that I can be pleasantly surprised.

I hope to Christ they're not more than that, as I really want to get into this one and it will be a struggle to justify even at the rate I expect them to charge.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Aye but in 8mm a Reaver is going to be hovering around Contemptor size, and they ain't £16

I'm setting my expectations at roughly £20 for a Warhound, £40 for a Reaver, and £70 for a Warlord(Terminator Character price, Contemptor price, Leviathan price) and if they come in less than that I can be pleasantly surprised.

I hope to Christ they're not more than that, as I really want to get into this one and it will be a struggle to justify even at the rate I expect them to charge.

Probably about right. I hope that they'll come weaponless which would be nice. Magnets will be the order of the day then.

Either way, it's going to be expensive. I've been waiting years for this to come to fruition, so will be saving and spending silly to get myself some Legions. I plan to re-build the first Titan I made years ago: A Siege Warlord with Corvus Assault Pod, Power Ram, Gatling Blaster and Barrage Missile!

Bugger, I'm turning into a big, grinning child thinking about this game. I keep getting all giddy!

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I think they'll do the Emperor class eventually. But that might be many many years away. And once they start it will be even more years away.

They stated outright during the panel that they will not do it. Makes me wonder if the Warlord was a pain.

I'm not convinced that after the (impressive) initial flurry of sales it hasn't sold as quickly as they hoped. Yesterday Alan Merret said that the old style dreadnoughts were scrapped because the contemptors had stolen all of their sales, so they seem more aggressive about retiring models that aren't selling...

pic from Lil Legend studio on FB , for size purposes

Subtle and understated(!)

Any pics out there of one next to their boss, Perturabo?

OMG, that guy is huge!

Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.

It doesn't?

I still think upwards of $450 for Perturabo and 4 robots to be enough of a barrier to entry for me!

 Alpharius wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.

It doesn't?

I still think upwards of $450 for Perturabo and 4 robots to be enough of a barrier to entry for me!

If you were running any Primarch and 4 Dreadnoughts, I would expect it to cost a decent amount. If you are going for an affordable 30k army, this isn't the correct approach.

You are, of course, correct.

I shall endeavor to keep my Iron Warrior/Perturabo/Iron Circle wish lists/thoughts/dreams to myself moving forward.

 Alpharius wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.

It doesn't?

I still think upwards of $450 for Perturabo and 4 robots to be enough of a barrier to entry for me!

A lot of people mistakenly thought it was Castellax sized and should be the Castellax price. It's the size of a Contemptor and the price of a Contemptor with weapons.

Yay, thank the Emperor. FW does dice for a number of the Legions, and puts the symbol on the six.

 Alpharius wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh my. £52 doesn't seem stupidly expensive now. I adore the model. So menacing.

It doesn't?

I still think upwards of $450 for Perturabo and 4 robots to be enough of a barrier to entry for me!

That is 1275 points minimum. Expensive but a large chunk of points!

 Ashiraya wrote:
I don't see why not. It seems ridiculous, sure, but back in the day we thought a 28mm scale Warlord was too.

Some of us didn't...

 cuda1179 wrote:
I know they made the Warlord a much simpler model that the Reaver or Warhound (no interior). They said this was for cost reasons.....but could it simply be to cut weight?

I know that back in the day Armorcast made a Warlord titan (very limited number made, I've been looking for one as the final 40k model made by Armorcast I don't own, yes I own a Knight Paladin, and use it).

Actually Armorcast never produced a Warlord titan. Mike had built and cast some of the parts, but GW changed the Warlord design and would not allow us to produce the original beetleback design, so it never went into production.

They were also working on an Imperator and had plans to cast it before they lost their license. If Armorcast could do it 20 years ago FW should be able to do it today.

Mike had started building an Emperor, but it was unlikely that it ever would have been produced even if GW had renewed the license. The kit was completed and sold on ebay.

Tim