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From the blog today:

For all you CRASSUS fans, just spotted this on Heresy30k:

I just got told by an attendee who spoke with Alan that "Arkhadine" is a misnomer and "Zhao-Arkkad" is the actual, proper name of the Thousand Sons-affiliated mechanicum. Alan also confirmed that it's the same Zhao-Arkkad we know of, meaning they're the owners of the Praetor STC and eventually rejoin the Imperium.

This is very interesting...

Also:

Russ' wolves are underway though no one was willing to say who was working on them except it isn't Sam who is currently working on Magnus. Lots of discussion about just how to make him fit the fluff but not be overloaded with detail. No decision on whether his eye will be a scar or w void or other. Sam did say he would like to incorporate the base more into the model with Magnus more than the other Primarchs are - but that's a hope rather than a certainty.

Correlates with what I overheard: some bods were chatting away that Magnus is most probably next. A few people asked about Dorn and he doesn't (yet) even feature in any schedule (the more people ask for him, the more expectation he has, the further down he is shunted!)

No Pictures/Previews of new Red Scorpions stuff coming in Fires of Cyraxus?
The New Tau stuff coming in Fires of Cyraxus was previewed...

 zedmeister wrote:
Dorn doesn't even feature in any schedule (the more people ask for him, the more expectation he has the further down he is shunted!)

Rage!

Ah, well. They know he is the most important and handsomest Primarch, so they're taking their time to make him perfectest.

I'm convinced they are waiting till Terra to do Dorn as his rules suck with that chainsword.

I went yesterday, managed to pick up a Mastodon, they had around 18 of them, I wasn't close enough to the front to count exactly. Most if not all had sold by the end of the day.

The kit doesn't look too hard to build, but it'll be a while before mine is finished as my friend is building and painting mine for me.

Yesterday felt a bit lack luster other than the specialist games section. No seminars, not much new FW 30k stuff to show off other than some of the older stuff is now finally painted so it must be getting close to being released.

That Mastodon's ease of build will rest solely on the quality of the casting. It's basically a giant Spartan in terms of the basic assembly, and while I believe it's been redone now, mine was based on the old mould and ultimately I had to boil it to get it to line up right...

The early casts are always better quality for a number of reasons, and I usually buy at a launch event meaning nearly all my FW is an early cast, so I'm probably not the best person to judge. However it looks good to me, the main parts line up fine.

No new primarch preview pics from the open day?

The Terminator Assault cannon and Vigil Storm shields are great. I may have to get hold of some of them for my Imperial Fists.

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That said, they're not going to have to worry about volume all that much if they're asking what, £300-ish+shipping(assuming "price between plastic knight and Cerastus" is roughly right, say £140ish for a Warlord, plus £60-ishx2 for the Reavers, then £30-ish for a unit of three Warhounds) for your average force for one player, for an all-resin Specialist Game, and then another FW-hardback-price book on top adds another £70+shipping.

Hopefully that 140£ is way off...

Hard to make good epic battle with multiple titans with THAT pricing. Sigh. Remember times when idea of multiple warlords in epic wasn't once in a blue moon? With that pricing who can afford that sight...

Used to own like 15 warlords myself before...

That's more Titans than you need to play this. The main version of play is a campaign mode where every player starts with only one warlord, earning battle honors to control more. In general the "average game" appears to be intended to be 3 warlords worth of models controlled by each player; where a number of lesser Titans and knight are alternatives. They're selling this to the same group who can afford to buy Knights from FW and play all knight forces.

Unless I'm misremembering, from what's been said the starter set is terrain and the rulebook... We'll have to see how much terrain and how much book Specialist Games will give us.

 Looky Likey wrote:
I'm convinced they are waiting till Terra to do Dorn as his rules suck with that chainsword.

His Chainsword isn't unwieldy anymore.

 aka_mythos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That said, they're not going to have to worry about volume all that much if they're asking what, £300-ish+shipping(assuming "price between plastic knight and Cerastus" is roughly right, say £140ish for a Warlord, plus £60-ishx2 for the Reavers, then £30-ish for a unit of three Warhounds) for your average force for one player, for an all-resin Specialist Game, and then another FW-hardback-price book on top adds another £70+shipping.

Hopefully that 140£ is way off...

Hard to make good epic battle with multiple titans with THAT pricing. Sigh. Remember times when idea of multiple warlords in epic wasn't once in a blue moon? With that pricing who can afford that sight...

Used to own like 15 warlords myself before...

That's more Titans than you need to play this. The main version of play is a campaign mode where every player starts with only one warlord, earning battle honors to control more. In general the "average game" appears to be intended to be 3 warlords worth of models controlled by each player; where a number of lesser Titans and knight are alternatives. They're selling this to the same group who can afford to buy Knights from FW and play all knight forces.

Unless I'm misremembering, from what's been said the starter set is terrain and the rulebook... We'll have to see how much terrain and how much book Specialist Games will give us.

If true I would rather just see rules to use the FW knights in renagade tbh

Charax wrote:
A new class of titan between Warlord and Reaver sounds good, not sure where it would come power-wise as there's a fairly linear progression in stats between the titans

I’ve tried to summarize the cards from original Adeptus Titanicus box and White Dwarf #109. To me it looks like the current 28mm Warlord is a Death Bringer class and the Reaver is a Hun. I think a Nemesis Warlord would have more armor to give it the slow and purposes look.

 Haighus wrote:
The Terminator Assault cannon and Vigil Storm shields are great. I may have to get hold of some of them for my Imperial Fists.

I have the Phalanx set - I like those better than the Squared ones for the Warders.

I'm not running Phalanx, but I use the sheilds as SS for my Vets/Termies.

Anyone see these for sale or previewed or.... anything?



I am still chomping at the bit to get those silly things.

They were on Holly Goodwins area. She didn't know when they were planned for release...

I'd honestly like to see a picture of that Knight next to a Warhound titan. My guess is that it will be slightly shorter than the Warhound.

 zedmeister wrote:
They were on Holly Goodwins area. She didn't know when they were planned for release...

Dammit. They were previewed like 10 months ago now. This wait for decals is just absurd. :(

Go with a different Knight house/Legion/Chapter/Craftworld/Sept ect. Once your about half way done the stuff you were originally waiting for usually gets released

 zedmeister wrote:
In terms of the rules, he did mention that they'd take on and adapt rules from previous editions only if they made sense and added to the tactical experience. They wouldn't add them in for the sake of it. He also mentioned that they're not afraid of a bit of complexity if, again, it made sense.

Finally, I've just recalled that they're like to sell hulls without weapons and sell the weapons separately.

Personally, I think a fully equipped Warlord will be about the same as a fully equipped Leviathan Dreadnought.

I don't see how they could sell it at that price, considering a properly-scaled Warlord, even the new FW "compact" version, will have to be half-again as tall and almost double the mass of a Leviathan. If a Reaver is going to be roughly equivalent to a Contemptor those are going to be somewhere between £50 and £65 with weapons, so charging £10 more for a model almost twice the size would make all the smaller chassis look like terrible relative value for money. Plus it would mean, assuming there's actually some vague correlation between their costs and the price they end up charging us, that FW would be taking a big hit on their profit margin for the big centerpiece Warlord model, which is the exact opposite of the present pricing strategy at GW and FW where big models are seen as the large-margin moneymakers.

At the very least, a Dreadknight-to-Knight-sized model all in resin is going to have to cost more than the plastic-resin hybrid kits like the Chaos Knight or the Magaera/Strix, so >£115.

 zedmeister wrote:

Correlates with what I overheard: some bods were chatting away that Magnus is most probably next. A few people asked about Dorn and he doesn't (yet) even feature in any schedule (the more people ask for him, the more expectation he has, the further down he is shunted!)

Hmm, I hope that doesn't mean he'll look daft if you stick with the "gaming" base rather than the display base.

 aka_mythos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That said, they're not going to have to worry about volume all that much if they're asking what, £300-ish+shipping(assuming "price between plastic knight and Cerastus" is roughly right, say £140ish for a Warlord, plus £60-ishx2 for the Reavers, then £30-ish for a unit of three Warhounds) for your average force for one player, for an all-resin Specialist Game, and then another FW-hardback-price book on top adds another £70+shipping.

Hopefully that 140£ is way off...

Hard to make good epic battle with multiple titans with THAT pricing. Sigh. Remember times when idea of multiple warlords in epic wasn't once in a blue moon? With that pricing who can afford that sight...

Used to own like 15 warlords myself before...

That's more Titans than you need to play this. The main version of play is a campaign mode where every player starts with only one warlord, earning battle honors to control more. In general the "average game" appears to be intended to be 3 warlords worth of models controlled by each player; where a number of lesser Titans and knight are alternatives. They're selling this to the same group who can afford to buy Knights from FW and play all knight forces.

I don't buy this whole "you can play with one Warlord/a 500pt army" etc thing, doesn't wash. Mordheim was a campaign game too and sure, technically I could play Mordheim with three models, but practically speaking you needed a warband that goes all the way up to the maximum for that 'band, so, 12-20, and ideally you also wanted to have a selection of Hired Swords as well as enough models to fill out all the individual options in your chosen 'band as well for variety from campaign-to-campaign, so more like 30-40. This will be similar - it will be technically possible to play with 1 Warlord, but nobody will past the first game or two of a campaign, so realistically you'll need 3 or 4 Warlord Equivalent Units to go all the way to the end, and if you don't want to bore yourself witless after the third or fourth campaign you'll need more like 8 or 10 WEUs to give you multiple different combinations.

So yeah, as I said, you're right, they're aiming this at the "Resin Whales" segment, which sucks for the rest of us.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I don't buy this whole "you can play with one Warlord/a 500pt army" etc thing, doesn't wash. Mordheim was a campaign game too and sure, technically I could play Mordheim with three models, but practically speaking you needed a warband that goes all the way up to the maximum for that 'band, so, 12-20, and ideally you also wanted to have a selection of Hired Swords as well as enough models to fill out all the individual options in your chosen 'band as well for variety from campaign-to-campaign, so more like 30-40. This will be similar - it will be technically possible to play with 1 Warlord, but nobody will past the first game or two of a campaign, so realistically you'll need 3 or 4 Warlord Equivalent Units to go all the way to the end, and if you don't want to bore yourself witless after the third or fourth campaign you'll need more like 8 or 10 WEUs to give you multiple different combinations.

So yeah, as I said, you're right, they're aiming this at the "Resin Whales" segment, which sucks for the rest of us.

I think the rumor is that the chassis and weapons will be sold separately like the dreadnoughts. The Warhound, reaver, and carapace mounts on the warlord are pretty trivial to magnetize, with only the warlord arms being a bit of a pain (due to their size and weight, so it should be easy to magnetize the epic scale ones.

I'm curious if they plan to design the new models (not counting the warlord which is already in CAD at 28mm scale) in 28mm scale detail then scale them down for epic models, or design them in 8mm and if they are popular enough, scale them up and add detail for a 28mm release?

Related to the scaling thing, will epic models getting weapon options finally mean the Reaver will get the rest of it's carapace mount guns finally? And how will head options be handled?

On pricing, I can easily see the Reaver titan being Contemptor sized and price for the body and weapons. For the Warlord, size and price would probably be best compared to the ork mega/meka dread, so about £45 for the body and £15 to £20 for weapons

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I don't buy this whole "you can play with one Warlord/a 500pt army" etc thing, doesn't wash. Mordheim was a campaign game too and sure, technically I could play Mordheim with three models, but practically speaking you needed a warband that goes all the way up to the maximum for that 'band, so, 12-20, and ideally you also wanted to have a selection of Hired Swords as well as enough models to fill out all the individual options in your chosen 'band as well for variety from campaign-to-campaign, so more like 30-40. This will be similar - it will be technically possible to play with 1 Warlord, but nobody will past the first game or two of a campaign, so realistically you'll need 3 or 4 Warlord Equivalent Units to go all the way to the end, and if you don't want to bore yourself witless after the third or fourth campaign you'll need more like 8 or 10 WEUs to give you multiple different combinations.

So yeah, as I said, you're right, they're aiming this at the "Resin Whales" segment, which sucks for the rest of us.

I think the rumor is that the chassis and weapons will be sold separately like the dreadnoughts. The Warhound, reaver, and carapace mounts on the warlord are pretty trivial to magnetize, with only the warlord arms being a bit of a pain (due to their size and weight, so it should be easy to magnetize the epic scale ones.

Yes, but you're still going to need the WEUs for variety in composition - 3 Warlords, 1 Warlord + 3 Reavers, 1 Warlord + 2 Reavers + 3 Warhounds etc.

On pricing, I can easily see the Reaver titan being Contemptor sized and price for the body and weapons. For the Warlord, size and price would probably be best compared to the ork mega/meka dread, so about £45 for the body and £15 to £20 for weapons

Again though, if we're expecting a Contemptor-sized and roughly Contemptor-priced Reaver, how can a model that should be almost twice the size and much bigger mass only cost £10 or so more?

Warlord / Reaver isn't much difference to Leviathon / Contemptor ratio.

If I were to guess from Andy Hoare's gesture of how big a warlord was going to be - I think Leviathon pricing is the right kind of region.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
I'm convinced they are waiting till Terra to do Dorn as his rules suck with that chainsword.

His Chainsword isn't unwieldy anymore.

That would go a long way to improving him to the level he should be, good to hear!

pleaase let there be a corvus assault head with boarding marines........

As far as AT goes, I'm just disappointed that it's going to be Heresy only, I'm far more interested in running Phantoms, Revenants, Cobras and Scorpions than Imperial units.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Again though, if we're expecting a Contemptor-sized and roughly Contemptor-priced Reaver, how can a model that should be almost twice the size and much bigger mass only cost £10 or so more?

For one, a lot of the added mass is an illusion, with much of the upper carapace of the warlord being armor plates on a framework rather than solid structures.
A lot of the price of a resin model is in the number of parts/ cast complexity, rather than the amount of resin used (look at those vent blocks on big kits- it adds up to several pounds of excess for 28mm titans) With the decrease to 8mm scale, some minor parts can be deleted, and the warlord is not many more parts than the reaver (especially when you consider the torso is a hollow box). A major point of note is the feet of the reaver vs the warlord- the Reaver has far more complex toes than the warlord, which will need to be streamlined for the epic scale one, while the warlord is simple and uses a lot of the same parts multiple times, vs unique ones.

Man...absolutely nothing on the IA book, that sucks. Amazing how hard it is for FW to give people an excuse to buy their stuff.

 Imateria wrote:
As far as AT goes, I'm just disappointed that it's going to be Heresy only, I'm far more interested in running Phantoms, Revenants, Cobras and Scorpions than Imperial units.

Wasn't the original information that the initial release will focus on the Heresy, with later add-ons / expansions?

 Imateria wrote:
As far as AT goes, I'm just disappointed that it's going to be Heresy only, I'm far more interested in running Phantoms, Revenants, Cobras and Scorpions than Imperial units.

I believe that they've already said that IF this is a success (Ha!), then they will expand into other eras and other races...