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I bought one. Had to dig deep, but I bought one. That's my hobby funds sorted for the next few months.

 BrookM wrote:
I bought one. Had to dig deep, but I bought one. That's my hobby funds sorted for the next few months.

Worth it. SO worth it. You now have one of the coolest large-scale models in GW/FW history.

Fair play BrookM, I certainly would if I could. And you can document it all in your P and M blog.

Is there any reason why FW do not picture the individual components, just so that potential purchases can get an idea of what the construction will involve?

It was beyond my budget at first, but damn it (thanks mum! ), I've been waiting on it to drop for months now!

Component shots would be nice yes, I'd love to know if the pilot hatch is a separate piece or not.

And yes, it would be a good way to kickstart my plog again, maybe this will be the cure to the hobby blues and general depression: a great big resin paperweight.

You know it makes sense as it'll look awesome on the table. I had to order one as well, I'd better spend the next two weeks painting to make up for it.

I really thought this wouldn't come out till the New Year open day, I wonder what they will have instead?

Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

 Looky Likey wrote:
You know it makes sense as it'll look awesome on the table. I had to order one as well, I'd better spend the next two weeks painting to make up for it.

I really thought this wouldn't come out till the New Year open day, I wonder what they will have instead?

Same here, but I'm quite surprised that it's up for sale straight away, no pre-order period or anything either.

 ultimentra wrote:
Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

A single Crisis Suit with a pair of fusion blasters can torch it, no problem at all.

Huh, I must be out of the loop . 4 x S10 AP2 large blast, another 7" blast (with the option to take as AA instead), and a few autocannons upgradeable to lascannons seems kinda nuts on a front armor 14 with 8 HP and 4+ invulnerable platform! Maybe not broken, but who wants that anyway?

I mean, sure models will get cover saves, and melta works against it (but does against all Mechanicum right?). I'm just not sure what else you could want in a Knight that is fieldable in 2000 point games of 30k! The 40k rules aren't out yet, but the whole ruleset is due for an update this year anyway so I wouldn't fret about that when what you have for 30k is pretty darn scary

 ultimentra wrote:
Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

It was made for 30k, so that makes sense. Lamenting its 40k usefulness (or lack thereof) amuses me, because I can't wait to throw this beast in my Questoris army. As a Seneschal, it is going to be BS6 with a 3+ Ion Shield that tosses gross firepower around the table and helps mitigate my weakness to aircraft with the Helios. Yes, please!

For 40k I would rather have a turbo laser warhound.

I'll start saving now, that way when they come out with another couple variants of this Knight, I can take my pick. I hope there is a Mechanicum variant with quad singularity cannons...


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 Zywus wrote:
Why does things like those big titans need separate rules for 40K?

Both 30K and 40K is based on the same ruleset anyway. I suppose one could argue that they need to be balanced against different lists but that could be achieved simply by different points costs in the two eras. And it's not like GW care about balance in 40K anyway.

FW tries to present a narrative where they present some units as becoming venerated, poorly maintained, ubiquitous, or rarer... and they tweek their rules to represent this narrative.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I'll start saving now, that way when they come out with another couple variants of this Knight, I can take my pick. I hope there is a Mechanicum variant with quad singularity cannons...


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 Zywus wrote:
Why does things like those big titans need separate rules for 40K?

Both 30K and 40K is based on the same ruleset anyway. I suppose one could argue that they need to be balanced against different lists but that could be achieved simply by different points costs in the two eras. And it's not like GW care about balance in 40K anyway.

FW tries to present a narrative where they present some units as becoming venerated, poorly maintained, ubiquitous, or rarer... and they tweek their rules to represent this narrative.

I spoke to a guy at Forgeworld on this at Essen Spiel, and he said that because the meta is so different, points cost does not work the same. He recommended me not play 30k Mechanicum in 40k because they were balanced against a meta of power armoured cheese (not his words).

Rejoice 40k players! Rules are coming for us too!

Yes, this has been posted several times in the thread already now, thank you.

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

What's an Irad-Cleanser?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

It goes to whatever slot corresponds to the rank. Such as my Seneschal will by an HQ, or if he is an Arbalester, he goes to Heavy.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
What's an Irad-Cleanser?

Template S2 AP5 Assault 1 Fleshbane, Rad-Phage*

*Takes one or more damage and doesn't die, is at -1T for rest of game.

Seems undercosted for 30k, but so is the warhound IMO.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

It goes to whatever slot corresponds to the rank. Such as my Seneschal will by an HQ, or if he is an Arbalester, he goes to Heavy.

Sadly, it doesn't. you can give it a household rank when you use it in a questoris knight army, but it is a LoW choice for both factions.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

It goes to whatever slot corresponds to the rank. Such as my Seneschal will by an HQ, or if he is an Arbalester, he goes to Heavy.

Sadly, it doesn't. you can give it a household rank when you use it in a questoris knight army, but it is a LoW choice for both factions.

That isn't how that works. You can take a LoW with the Questoris army - this or a Titan. If you buy it a Household Rank, it will go into whatever slot it corresponds with. That is how the ranks work.

Example:
"FAST ATTACK RANKS
Nobles of the following ranks are Fast Attack choices for the Questoris Knight Crusade army."

So, if I make my Acastus a Scion Dolorous, he becomes a Fast Attack choice.

so pretty.

Nah man, you pick a pilot with a rank and then choose a chassis and upgrades to the points limit required - this chassis screws with that because it requires you select it as a LoW and then you get to select a rank - the way i see it, it is what it was first - a LoW choice.

Ive sent an email to FW about it, but we're in houserule territory whether we like it or not.

Yeah, Knights in general are Lords of War. Knights in a Questoris household list gain the Household Rank rule which lets them buy a Rank which in turn turns them into whatever Role the Rank specifies.
Either buying the Porphyrion a Rank makes it a Household member and turns it into a Troop choice or whatever, or the entire Household list doesn't work at all.

Personally I'm playing it safe and just going with it using up a LoW slot plus any other slot because of the rank purchased, at least until it is cleared up by FW.

This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

 BrookM wrote:
Personally I'm playing it safe and just going with it using up a LoW slot plus any other slot because of the rank purchased, at least until it is cleared up by FW.

This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

I thought about Arbalester, but... why? Skyfire doesn't help with the Blasts, it has the Helios option anyhow, and it doesn't really need Tank Hunter, right? I am going Seneschal. It reflects the ancient, rare provenance of the machine itself and bumps it to BS6 (no scatter!) and a 3++ on AV14 8HP. I expect it to sit back and just put down armor and flyers, while my Wardens and Styrix blast up troops.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
Nah man, you pick a pilot with a rank and then choose a chassis and upgrades to the points limit required - this chassis screws with that because it requires you select it as a LoW and then you get to select a rank - the way i see it, it is what it was first - a LoW choice.

Ive sent an email to FW about it, but we're in houserule territory whether we like it or not.

"This means that, in effect, any of the different Knight armour types can be taken in any role, but the skills and abilities of the nobles who pilot them determine their position in the line of battle." p98, Crusade Imperialis Book

Pick a rank, assign a Knight, it becomes the FOC slot associated.

However, it can also be taken as a Lord of War (as the Questoris Knight army has that slot), instead of using a Legio Titanicus option. That would preclude the Knightly ranks, as there aren't any for that slot.

Curious to see how FW clarifies, but it seems pretty straight forward to me.

The converter in me is looking at an unbuilt Dreamforge Leviathan and hindering how hard it would be to convert one on the cheap.

 cuda1179 wrote:
The converter in me is looking at an unbuilt Dreamforge Leviathan and hindering how hard it would be to convert one on the cheap.

This was my initial plan, but I'd have to order in a new set of arms and those are expensive as hell to get around here.

Let take the rules discussion to the rules discussion section, not the news and rumors section.