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it's a great model, very sleek, told my hobby shop to order me one already

reminds me a little of victoria haley on cloud swirl in look

I think the only way to transport is to have cut/pluck foam just for it though

That's a really pretty mini. Have held off with buying any Sigmar but this might make me buy one just to paint

looks ok, but overall im sad GW missed an opportunity to make a really cool center piece. The sigmarines really needed some kind of Construct, something to do battle with the Maggoth Lords/Glotkin/Blood Thirster/ Thundertusk/Slaughterbrute sized monsters. Another floaty dude, as cool as he looks, looks just like all the rest..

I'm glad it's not a construct.

They don't need Dreadnoughts or more crap for people to keep spouting off about "sigmarines hurr".

And truthfully? You want to "do battle with the Maggoth Lords/Glottkin/Bloodthirster/Thundertusk/Slaughterbrute sized monsters"--you bring out the Protectors or Retributors.

Trust me on this. Those guys butcher monsters like it's just another ho-hum boring day.

Yep I wish the Stormcast had a Bloodcrusher type unit. I don't like the lord on dracoth. Don't like the Khorgorath either. Think GW monsters/big characters have looked weird lately. I'd love a dreadnought type for the Stormcast.

They could have done a decent construct of some sort. At the least they should have done some kind of larger monster. I know everyone is hating on large monsters, but the Sigmarines tamed what ever it is that dude rides, They just need something to break up the sea of Gold emotionless men that makes up that army.

Well I suppose if you like it you like it, no accounting for taste, but yeesh, almost 50 quid for a bloke and some garish, totally unnecessary swirly bitz? I must be operating under a very different version of the word "reasonable" if people consider that reasonably priced, yes even compared to GW's normally-mental prices.

As to the subjective aesthetics aspect; ew, no ta. The AoS stuff seems very much like GW's aesthetic direction is now less "fantasy/sci-fi with a few twists of METAL*guitar solo*", and more This Is Spinal Tap - I just can't tell any more if they're taking the piss out of their customers or themselves.

I imagine we'll see Dracoth cavalry before too long.

By the way guys - Yodhrin doesn't like AoS. Just in case you hadn't got that by now.

I'd almost be done painting my Chaos army if the temp wasnt 90+ all month... my paint dries the second I even think about painting... so angry..

I like the floaty guy, I think a little conversion work would do it wonders. I dont like his cloak tassles floating all the way to the floor.

But seriously, I would have lost my load if we had gotten some armored construct.

Chopxsticks wrote:
They could have done a decent construct of some sort. At the least they should have done some kind of larger monster. I know everyone is hating on large monsters, but the Sigmarines tamed what ever it is that dude rides, They just need something to break up the sea of Gold emotionless men that makes up that army.

They need to have something to release later. I think there might be a certain amount of Sigmarite fatigue at the moment even amongst the fans.

 Bull0 wrote:
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By the way guys - Yodhrin doesn't like AoS. Just in case you hadn't got that by now.

And this is problem why exactly?

I don't like it either, much for the same reasons; but I'm still curious to see what they're doing to this world I once very much loved if we're gonna go down the "Whatcha doin' in this thread if you don't like AoS!" .

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
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By the way guys - Yodhrin doesn't like AoS. Just in case you hadn't got that by now.

And this is problem why exactly?

I don't like it either, much for the same reasons; but I'm still curious to see what they're doing to this world I once very much loved if we're gonna go down the "Whatcha doin' in this thread if you don't like AoS!" .

If I came into every thread about Privateer Press and stated that "Well I suppose if you like it you like it, no accounting for taste"--I'd have people accusing me of trolling.

That's what Bull0 is likely referring to. There's a way to express the sentiment of "I don't like it but if you like it that's fine", and making what could be construed as personal attacks is not it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
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By the way guys - Yodhrin doesn't like AoS. Just in case you hadn't got that by now.

And this is problem why exactly?

I don't like it either, much for the same reasons; but I'm still curious to see what they're doing to this world I once very much loved if we're gonna go down the "Whatcha doin' in this thread if you don't like AoS!" .

If I came into every thread about Privateer Press and stated that "Well I suppose if you like it you like it, no accounting for taste"--I'd have people accusing me of trolling.

That's what Bull0 is likely referring to. There's a way to express the sentiment of "I don't like it but if you like it that's fine", and making what could be construed as personal attacks is not it.

Yeah, that's basically it. The horse is dead, the cat o'nine tails can safely be stowed away for now. Keeping an eye on what's going on doesn't have to mean gaking on everything incessantly nor doing it in such a condescending, insulting sort of way. It was really quite a light jab though, to say "we get it, you hate it". Could've gone harder, really.

IDK about him, something is off IMHO. I mean, for his scale he is rather bloated and undetailed especially when you look at GW's other kits. Nagash and the Mortarchs blow this fellow out of the water IMHO.

BTW $80 dollars for that guy is highway robbery if he doesn't have multiple options. Their is an argument to be made for large MC dual kits or Vehicles with lots of components or pose-ability (riptide), but a static dude with some wings and lord knows WTF whirring around his ankles should not cost that much unless he in fact does have another version as an option in the kit.

We shall see.

PS the lion face in his chest looks like its pooping

Can't figure out which was more disappointing- the premiere for 'Fear The Walking Dead', or this Celestant Prime dude.

The rumours had me believing that the Celestant would be BIG, like at least Nagash sized.

(New user- you may think that by my new post-count I'm trolling, but I'm not. But I do eat goats on weekends.)

He is pretty nifty. All those ribbons underneath look really great, and his wand, the cometstrike, looks unique.

I like that they made him a bigger model without making his body a big jumbo knight. That would have been really bad.

^^ Why not? Now that AOS is taking a drastically different aesthetic to WFB, it would be nice to see some Imperial Knight-sized units in this setting.

Maybe that is me being too extreme, when there are plenty of great 'centerpiece kits' in Fantasy already. Maybe not a 'jumbo knight' like the dreadknight, but something in that ballpark would have been a big draw for me into the Stormcasts.

 Korinov wrote:
I'd say the actual Sanguinor model profits from a way better design than this... thing. At least it's a model aimed for tabletop wargaming. The flying Sigmarine looks like another showcase model. I mean, are people actually supposed to be carrying that thing around?

In their specially designed $100 foam case? Why not?

I don't like the swirly thing. I don't understand why it is constrained into such tight trails of whatever.

I mean, with Nagash, he's surrounded and supported by spirits, but each of the spirits is relatively distinct, and the 'ectoplasm' serves as the outline of their forms. So I understand what the negative space in the model is supposed to be.

With this? I don't get it, conceptually or visually. If the 'winds of Azyr' or whatever were a little less tightly bounded, swirling around the base, then it might make sense to me. If the trailing spirals were spinning hoops of gold or sigmarite or whatever, it might make sense, as they would all be distinct orbitals. Instead, it looks like a tooled plastic version of a pop-up card. I expect he would fold flat for transport.

Admittedly, the entire AoS Sigmarite look is not my thing, but I recognize that it's largely very well sculpted; not my personal cup of tea, but well executed. This looks like they were trying to save on plastic when making the whirlwind.

I think it would actually look better if they took a page from Pathfinder or D&D and produced the entire bottom in translucent plastic.

I hope we see some Impreial Knight type fantasy monstrosities to unleash in the name of Sigmar.

Maybe this Prime guy will look better when the 360 gets released, and you can see everything unobstructed?

I don't care how the Pro GW camp spins it 80$ for 54mm miniature with a few swirly bits is to steep, could get a nice 54mm or 70mm figure for that price but it will be no GW off course

 Yodhrin wrote:
Well I suppose if you like it you like it, no accounting for taste, but yeesh, almost 50 quid for a bloke and some garish, totally unnecessary swirly bitz? I must be operating under a very different version of the word "reasonable" if people consider that reasonably priced, yes even compared to GW's normally-mental prices.

As to the subjective aesthetics aspect; ew, no ta. The AoS stuff seems very much like GW's aesthetic direction is now less "fantasy/sci-fi with a few twists of METAL*guitar solo*", and more This Is Spinal Tap - I just can't tell any more if they're taking the piss out of their customers or themselves.

I was thinking the exact thing. I'm waiting for the punchline, but I know for a fact that they are dead serious about this whole.... thing.

These fuglers are really disappointing, at the end of the day. 3rd edition, here I come.... Then on to Mordhiem.... yet again.

I think he looks pretty sweet. In three dimensions, all that swirly detail with all those ribbons and wings will have an impressive sense of depth. On a table with a bunch of squat miniatures, he's going to pop, I think. He's flying, but the supports aren't directly under him or obvious like with the Prosecutors, so he feels a bit more floaty and heavenly to me.

The price seems way off from what I'd like to pay, which is what I've basically said about every GW release I've seen since starting AoS. I'm starting to get used to the idea that GW doesn't aim for what I'd like to pay and instead prices around what I'd begrudgingly be willing to pay (with a 15-20% discount).

I... I actually really quite like the celestant-prime...
*shields face with hands and runs into the distance*

I do not like him. The size of his bust / barrel chest has exceeded my tolerances.
The whole flying, swirly, angel thing is tiresome as well and not cool.
A giant stomping dude, like a shining sigmarite version of Sauron from LOTR movies - that would have been cool.
He is everything i find distasteful in the sigmarines, turned up to 11.
A mincing, pin-headed, barrel-chested buffoon.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I don't care how the Pro GW camp spins it 80$ for 54mm miniature with a few swirly bits is to steep, could get a nice 54mm or 70mm figure for that price but it will be no GW off course

Spoiler:

Is that guy on horseback about to throw a Batarang???

Anyway....

I am with Da Butcha - while I recognize the detail and skill required to make this guy... he does zero for me, and that zero goes to negative when I see an $80 tag attached to him. Then again, so far, nothing from the Sigmarite selections has grabbed me in the slightest.

For Siggie players, I definitely understand why they would be thrilled, and I am certainly happy for them!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I don't care how the Pro GW camp spins it 80$ for 54mm miniature with a few swirly bits is to steep, could get a nice 54mm or 70mm figure for that price but it will be no GW off course

Spoiler:

Well, first of all, I wouldn't paint that miniature if you gave it to me for free. It has no draw to me at all, because there's nothing at all about it that's magical or futuristic, and anything that doesn't meet one of those two criteria is automatically excluded from my projects list.

But really... Celestant Prime is a nice miniature. It is an amazing technical feat that most companies could not produce and it is not a 7cm miniature, lol. That's like not counting the wings of a dragon or angel as a part of the model -- nevermind the beautiful base. If you think it's ugly or overpriced, don't buy it. I actually thought it would be Nagash-priced, rather than Mortarch-priced, so the pricing is a pleasant surprise.

If you play Sigmarites, at that price and with those rules, it will be an auto-buy. If you collect Sigmarites, at that price, it will *probably* be an auto-buy. If you don't like Sigmarites, nothing GW could have done would have enticed you to buy it anyways.

 Talys wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I don't care how the Pro GW camp spins it 80$ for 54mm miniature with a few swirly bits is to steep, could get a nice 54mm or 70mm figure for that price but it will be no GW off course

Spoiler:

Well, first of all, I wouldn't paint that miniature if you gave it to me for free. It has no draw to me at all, because there's nothing at all about it that's magical or futuristic, and anything that doesn't meet one of those two criteria is automatically excluded from my projects list.

But really... Celestant Prime is a nice miniature. It is an amazing technical feat that most companies could not produce and it is not a 7cm miniature, lol. That's like not counting the wings of a dragon or angel as a part of the model -- nevermind the beautiful base. If you think it's ugly or overpriced, don't buy it. I actually thought it would be Nagash-priced, rather than Mortarch-priced, so the pricing is a pleasant surprise.

If you play Sigmarites, at that price and with those rules, it will be an auto-buy. If you collect Sigmarites, at that price, it will *probably* be an auto-buy. If you don't like Sigmarites, nothing GW could have done would have enticed you to buy it anyways.

To be 100% honest I think most companies don't make crap like this new sigmarine because there isn't a huge amount of sales to be had from it. How many of these are likely to sell? Not too many I imagine. How many rank and file men are people likely to buy? Hundreds depending on the game.

Its pretty simple really. Thats why other companies make sensible models in normal poses, because that's what most people want/need. Of course this depends on the game.

That's why I can buy Napoleonic soldiers in plastic for 1 dollar a model, but this sigmarine will likely cost 150 + Napoleonic soldiers (im guessing the NZ price here). Because GW doesn't expect to sell many of these and needs to make their investment back, but the people who make generic normal guys know people will buy decent amounts of them so they can be reasonably priced.

I purchased a 54mm Samurai from a guy at Weta Workshop for 40NZD (26 roughly US) and I think it is amazing compared to this thing. Samurai have amazing clothing and very intricate stitching on their armour and I assume the guy spent a loooong time hand sculpting the original model. I could be a lot of these for the price of one fancy Sigmarine.

It's not a stretch or silly to say this new model from GW is over priced at all, because it is. You liking it doesn't stop it being a rip off, you are just willing to overlook the rip off.

 Swastakowey wrote:
To be 100% honest I think most companies don't make crap like this new sigmarine because there isn't a huge amount of sales to be had from it. How many of these are likely to sell? Not too many I imagine. How many rank and file men are people likely to buy? Hundreds depending on the game.

Its pretty simple really. Thats why other companies make sensible models in normal poses, because that's what most people want/need. Of course this depends on the game.

That's why I can buy Napoleonic soldiers in plastic for 1 dollar a model, but this sigmarine will likely cost 150 + Napoleonic soldiers (im guessing the NZ price here). Because GW doesn't expect to sell many of these and needs to make their investment back, but the people who make generic normal guys know people will buy decent amounts of them so they can be reasonably priced.

I purchased a 54mm Samurai from a guy at Weta Workshop for 40NZD (26 roughly US) and I think it is amazing compared to this thing. Samurai have amazing clothing and very intricate stitching on their armour and I assume the guy spent a loooong time hand sculpting the original model. I could be a lot of these for the price of one fancy Sigmarine.

It's not a stretch or silly to say this new model from GW is over priced at all, because it is. You liking it doesn't stop it being a rip off, you are just willing to overlook the rip off.

I don't know if there's actually data to support there being more historical models being sold than GW models. In my area, there's *one* store that sells historical models (as opposed to maybe a half dozen that sell GW stuff), and I am positive it sells way more 40k models than historicals, or anything else other than Magic the Gathering. Certainly, you are right that this *one model* is not going to sell better than any number of models sold for historicals (because after all, each player only field ONE), but the model's price is pretty consistent with other GW models, which was my point. IE - they aren't jacking up the price because the model has good rules, and it belongs to a faction that is undoubtedly popular with AoS fans. Also, it's not like Treeman Ancient, where you can field multiples, "justifying" a lower price.

And sorry, I disagree that it's a rip off. Something is priced correctly if the people who want it are willing to pay that price. It doesn't really matter what the rest of the world thinks of it... because they didn't want it anyways. It also doesn't matter if there are alternatives, if the people who want the item don't really want the alternatives

But anyhow, if you ARE right, and these are expensive models because there aren't many people buying them, then that's also not a ripoff, because if you want something that's a niche item, you'll always pay more.

 Talys wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
To be 100% honest I think most companies don't make crap like this new sigmarine because there isn't a huge amount of sales to be had from it. How many of these are likely to sell? Not too many I imagine. How many rank and file men are people likely to buy? Hundreds depending on the game.

Its pretty simple really. Thats why other companies make sensible models in normal poses, because that's what most people want/need. Of course this depends on the game.

That's why I can buy Napoleonic soldiers in plastic for 1 dollar a model, but this sigmarine will likely cost 150 + Napoleonic soldiers (im guessing the NZ price here). Because GW doesn't expect to sell many of these and needs to make their investment back, but the people who make generic normal guys know people will buy decent amounts of them so they can be reasonably priced.

I purchased a 54mm Samurai from a guy at Weta Workshop for 40NZD (26 roughly US) and I think it is amazing compared to this thing. Samurai have amazing clothing and very intricate stitching on their armour and I assume the guy spent a loooong time hand sculpting the original model. I could be a lot of these for the price of one fancy Sigmarine.

It's not a stretch or silly to say this new model from GW is over priced at all, because it is. You liking it doesn't stop it being a rip off, you are just willing to overlook the rip off.

I don't know if there's actually data to support there being more historical models being sold than GW models. In my area, there's *one* store that sells historical models, and I am positive it sells way more 40k models than historicals (or anything else other than Magic the Gathering). Certainly, you are right that this *one model* is not going to sell better than any number of historicals.

And sorry, I disagree that it's a rip off. Something is priced correctly if the people who want it are willing to pay that price. It doesn't really matter what the rest of the world thinks of it... because they didn't want it anyways.

My point was other companies sell basic normal models because they sell better... this model as you said will sell to a minority which is why the price is so high. I have seen stunning work from many other companies but it's simply not money efficient for other companies to make stupid models like this because lets face it, of the few people who buy this, that small group will at most buy 1 each.

Hence why they aren't common, and why GW has put the price up so high. Which makes it a rip off materially no matter how much you love it.