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Well, there goes any chance of me buying some lizards. Too much finecast.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Well, there goes any chance of me buying some lizards. Too much finecast.

As I said in a previous thread (or this one- I forget which), GW no longer uses the Finecast resin. They now use the Forge World resin, which is infinitely superior to the Finecast crap.

everything resin i have ordered from GW for the last few months of commission work has still been rubbish...
i would love to get a quality "Finecast" piece, but it hasn't happened yet...
bubbles, warping, and rubbery material are not encouraging me to buy anything in resin from GW direct for my collection...

Farsight, Golfag, and many others have been on my wish list since their release, but i don't trust the material...
i have to order a character for my next commission in November, so we'll see if there has been any improvement in the last two months since my last order...
the bendiness is the give-away...
FW resin is not as rubbery as the spin-cast resin...

as for the Lizzies, the last round of plastic Dinos were so awesome, there is not much that needed to be added to the range...
a switch from resin to multi-part plastic would be nice eventually, for the characters, though...

cheers
jah

I bought some High Elf characters a month ago and they were finecast. Maybe it's only for new batches that the resin changes. Some miniatures likely have mountains of finecast stock still.

Personally I think this was a wasted opportunity on their part to update some of the Lizardmen kits. A few are starting to show their age, or are available only in "finecast", rather than plastic.
They could even have used this to make one of their favorite things in the world, dual kits! There's not that much of a difference between Warriors and Temple Guard. A weapon swap, a head swap, and they'd be golden as far as I'm concerned.

As it is I'm probably not going to bother starting Lizardmen after all.

Boy am I glad I bought a Lizzie army (for KoW) just in time before they're repackaged with round bases.

Apologies if this has been posted, I'm guessing it's the LE Seraphon book:

Mixed reviews on finecast then, I'm not inclined to pay for expensive models just to find out for myself though.

Still a pass on finecast.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Mixed reviews on finecast then, I'm not inclined to pay for expensive models just to find out for myself though.

Still a pass on finecast.

Go to your GW/ other FLGS and look at the clam packs instead then?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Mixed reviews on finecast then, I'm not inclined to pay for expensive models just to find out for myself though.

Still a pass on finecast.

Who the hell is giving mixed reviews on Finecast? That stuff is universally hated for good reason.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Who the hell is giving mixed reviews on Finecast? That stuff is universally hated for good reason.

Some people have mentioned that they have switched form finecast to the FW stuff (but it still gets sold with the finecast label?) so it could be that somebody is getting better stuff.

I bought lots of Finecast Noise Marine bits directly from GW in December 2014 and they were very well cast, with only a few small bubbles, and were not made of that rubber-like material Finecast was infamous for. So yes, it seems that a part of the range is now getting better produced.

I saw other miniatures like the Eldar finecast Aspects though which are still bad.

Better not talk about the 2011/2012 Necron HQs which are imo unacceptable. My club colleagues bought some in 2014 and 2015. Their staffs and other parts are so bad, I would not paint these even if gifted. They bend, and either break or never seem to keep straight after using heat to fix them.

Some of the updated aos finecast models have been done extremely well. FW and above quality(when fw do it right anyway)

When finecast first came out, they were bad. I do remember hearing (through GW site or WD) they changed the finecast formula to the FW version. Since then I have not had an issue with the Finecast I buy. They (GW) should have renamed it (Finercast?) so folks wouldn't get confused...

There are stockpiles of older stuff sitting around. Some of the minis out there are still metal.

FYI, from what I'm seeing with my local GW store, if you're looking for square base lizardmen, you can grab them from the local stores this week, or off the website.

GW is basically forcing all their brick and mortar stores to get rid of all the square base stuff on the shelves and then put out the new stuff. Not even sell through it.

This happened when they redid the glottkin. All for a round base, a rules sheet and a different looking box.

Of course, they have to do that. What if a new AoS player grabs a box and realizes that it hasn't got round bases when he gets home? On top of that, they have WHFB branding.

 Mymearan wrote:
Of course, they have to do that. What if a new AoS player grabs a box and realizes that it hasn't got round bases when he gets home? On top of that, they have WHFB branding.

It would be cheaper for them to just send out a lot of bags with round bases and instruct the stores to hand them out to anyone who buy the kits packed with squares. It could be confusing for newcomers to have the WHFB branding I guess.

 Zywus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Of course, they have to do that. What if a new AoS player grabs a box and realizes that it hasn't got round bases when he gets home? On top of that, they have WHFB branding.

It would be cheaper for them to just send out a lot of bags with round bases and instruct the stores to hand them out to anyone who buy the kits packed with squares. It could be confusing for newcomers to have the WHFB branding I guess.

Yeah but then they'd be giving free stuff out. GW hates that.

Well, unless the one poor bastard that makes up the marketing team convinces the Board that it will somehow directly lead to more model sales.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Of course, they have to do that. What if a new AoS player grabs a box and realizes that it hasn't got round bases when he gets home? On top of that, they have WHFB branding.

It would be cheaper for them to just send out a lot of bags with round bases and instruct the stores to hand them out to anyone who buy the kits packed with squares. It could be confusing for newcomers to have the WHFB branding I guess.

Yeah but then they'd be giving free stuff out. GW hates that.

Well, unless the one poor bastard that makes up the marketing team convinces the Board that it will somehow directly lead to more model sales.

Just so you know, they actually did do that at some GW shops with the Necron and Space Marine releases. If you bought a set of Immortals, Warriors, or Tactical Marines without the 32mm bases the shops were given a supply of loose 32s to give to people that wanted them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Of course, they have to do that. What if a new AoS player grabs a box and realizes that it hasn't got round bases when he gets home? On top of that, they have WHFB branding.

It would be cheaper for them to just send out a lot of bags with round bases and instruct the stores to hand them out to anyone who buy the kits packed with squares. It could be confusing for newcomers to have the WHFB branding I guess.

Yeah but then they'd be giving free stuff out. GW hates that.

Well, unless the one poor bastard that makes up the marketing team convinces the Board that it will somehow directly lead to more model sales.

Just so you know, they actually did do that at some GW shops with the Necron and Space Marine releases. If you bought a set of Immortals, Warriors, or Tactical Marines without the 32mm bases the shops were given a supply of loose 32s to give to people that wanted them.

That poor bastard got 'er done.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Of course, they have to do that. What if a new AoS player grabs a box and realizes that it hasn't got round bases when he gets home? On top of that, they have WHFB branding.

It would be cheaper for them to just send out a lot of bags with round bases and instruct the stores to hand them out to anyone who buy the kits packed with squares. It could be confusing for newcomers to have the WHFB branding I guess.

Yeah but then they'd be giving free stuff out. GW hates that.

Well, unless the one poor bastard that makes up the marketing team convinces the Board that it will somehow directly lead to more model sales.

The cost of bases would be a tiny fraction of the cost to have boxes sipped back and repackaged. But I know that GW's decisions does not always seem very rational to us outsiders.

I suspect that they mainly want to avoid the confusion of having the same models simultaneously sold in different boxes (although they do that with deamons so...who knows, they probably just want to sweep old WHFB under the carpet as completely and thoroughly as possible)

I'm going for less sprues in the new boxes myself......

 Llamahead wrote:
I'm going for less sprues in the new boxes myself......

The new boxes have the same amount of models as the old ones so there's no change to the sprue number.

Actually some have more models in (temple guard) but cost more.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Well, there goes any chance of me buying some lizards. Too much finecast.

As I said in a previous thread (or this one- I forget which), GW no longer uses the Finecast resin. They now use the Forge World resin, which is infinitely superior to the Finecast crap.

They do NOT use FW Resin.

People complaining they still use Finecast are as bad you saying they use FW Resin.

It's a different resin than FW, and it's not Finecast.

I noticed on the NZ site with the repackaged Seraphon, they had gone back to calling it Finecast actually, instead of finely detailed resiin cast. Not sure if that was a mistake.

The limited edition looks beautifully done even if a bit pricey. I'm going to be very tempted when armies I collect are redone.

That Thunderbeast Host is a great deal, about $60 savings Canadian. Kind of wish they got a Bastiladon in there too so all the dinos were in one. Would love to play some games against an army made up like that.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Well, there goes any chance of me buying some lizards. Too much finecast.

As I said in a previous thread (or this one- I forget which), GW no longer uses the Finecast resin. They now use the Forge World resin, which is infinitely superior to the Finecast crap.

I doubt they use FW resin because that would require them to redo all the models again which would be pretty damned expensive. You can't just pour FW resin in to a finecast mould, the type of resin you use plays in to how you design the mould itself. I'd guess based on the way finecast is on sprues that entirely surround the model it's likely that it's some sort of injection process where as FW resin appears to be more like a process your average garage caster would use (with their big fat pouring points and chunky tab thingos).

FW stuff tends to not come on sprues and when it is on a sprue, the sprue is a small tab all on the one side of the casting (not the large frame type sprue that you get with finecast). So the manufacturing process must be quite different.

So i therms of prices all stayed the same? If that is the case

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Well, there goes any chance of me buying some lizards. Too much finecast.

As I said in a previous thread (or this one- I forget which), GW no longer uses the Finecast resin. They now use the Forge World resin, which is infinitely superior to the Finecast crap.

I doubt they use FW resin because that would require them to redo all the models again which would be pretty damned expensive. You can't just pour FW resin in to a finecast mould, the type of resin you use plays in to how you design the mould itself. I'd guess based on the way finecast is on sprues that entirely surround the model it's likely that it's some sort of injection process where as FW resin appears to be more like a process your average garage caster would use (with their big fat pouring points and chunky tab thingos).

FW stuff tends to not come on sprues and when it is on a sprue, the sprue is a small tab all on the one side of the casting (not the large frame type sprue that you get with finecast). So the manufacturing process must be quite different.

Originally Finecase was an attempt to use a cheaper product than metal in the exact same mold process they used for metal. Results were not good, as we saw. Metal is heavy and forces itself into the mold better as it spins. It wasn't innovation, it was a stopgap on the way to all plastic. They just stuck a nice label on a turd.

To put something in perspective: My sales dropped in half when GW got rid of metal and put half of the range on the website.

My sales dropped again by 2/3 when they moved to AOS and ignored 40k for 4 months. I'm now doing 1/6th of the sales of GW i did a decade ago. Much worse when you consider the raise in pricing. 1/10th the number of models? 1/20th?