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so really, satan is just an arhcangel.

oh, that makes this a lot more anti-climactic.

thanks for all this interesting information!

@psienesis - source.

Khorne isn't actually stupid. It's kind of like dwarves. A lot of people think fantasy dwarves are stupid because of how blunt and up-front they are, but that's just because they like to get to the point. Dwarves, and Khorne (who I think would really dig dwarves) seem unintelligent because they do not have the patience for subterfuge. They can still make incredible plans and have many skills.

Also, the devil isn't really that smart. Yeah, declare war on the omnipotent, unkillable entity who created you. I think his only canonical victory was getting Adam and Eve kicked out of the garden, and even then, it's never directly stated that it was Satan who did that. It was specifically a talking snake, and the devil was never actually mentioned.

You people are so deluded, Satan will make Khorne sign a contract and then Khorne will in under Satan's power!

Than Chtulhu comes along and smack them all!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You people are so deluded, Satan will make Khorne sign a contract and then Khorne will in under Satan's power!

Than Chtulhu comes along and smack them all!

Assuming Khorne ever bothers to write anything...

 lcmiracle wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You people are so deluded, Satan will make Khorne sign a contract and then Khorne will in under Satan's power!

Than Chtulhu comes along and smack them all!

Assuming Khorne ever bothers to write anything...

Off course all the time in BLOOD!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Off course all the time in BLOOD!

On parchment made from the SHREDDED FLESH OF HIS FOES!

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Off course all the time in BLOOD!

On parchment made from the SHREDDED FLESH OF HIS FOES!

Fabulous Bile would like a word with you.

These discussion are getting worse...

my money is on Satan tho

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Off course all the time in BLOOD!

On parchment made from the SHREDDED FLESH OF HIS FOES!

Fabulous Bile would like a word with you.

Flesh parchments aren't exclusive to Bile and I think he would like them less bitty and more smooth, like a polished butt cheek

 gummyofallbears wrote:
so really, satan is just an arhcangel.

oh, that makes this a lot more anti-climactic.

thanks for all this interesting information!

@psienesis - source.

Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness.

Every Codex: CSM / Codex: Daemons, like, ever. Every mention of Khorne and Khorne's followers in the piles of BL novels they appear.

Warfare, bloodshed and violence. These are the aspects of the Blood God.

Warboss Gorhack wrote:

The only time Satan's combat power is ever really considered is in the accounts of the War in Heaven. Lucifer was the greatest of the Archangels prior to his fall, so he's likely to be formidable in combat. On the other hand, according to Christian folklore, he was defeated by the Archangel Michael, who was theoretically less powerful in personal combat. Satan was cast into Hell, ending the War in Heaven. Whether that speaks more of Satan or Michael's combat prowess is an open question.

ending the War In Heaven.

War In Heaven

My God... Angels aren't Angels! Theyre Necrons!
And Satan is an Old One!

Of course, if you want to delve a little further into the lore, Satan didn't convince Eve to eat the apple at all... that was Lilith, Adam's first wife, and it was pure jealousy.

Actually, no, Eve ate the apple.

God told Lillith "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you" and Lillith gave both God and Adam the finger and walked out.

No, I don't mean Lillith ate the apple, I mean Lillith tricked Eve into eating the apple.

That is a version of the legend I am unaware of. The most-common telling I have read posits that Lillith left the Garden, lie with the Archangel Sammael, and then went and birthed monsters and unclean spirits, but at no point returned to the Garden.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
ignore god. He would have nothing to do with this.

also, why would he not want khorne to win? Isn't like satan gods arch enemy? If you are pulling the card that he needs satan to exist, so he can run hell or whatever, why was there a war in heaven? Why did so many angels die for no reason, when god could have just created a being that was not so hateful of humans that he would take heaven to war?

Sorry if this has become christian lore 101, but this has just come to my attention, thanks!

God would never destroy a soul that has a chance of redemption, no matter how small.

Also, Angels can't die. Or, at least, the important bits, the souls, don't die. In the words of Socrates, "All men's souls are immortal, but the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine."

Anyways, Satan could be considered more of a wayward son and an unwilling tool than an "archenemy". Satan plots his schemes, God turns them to his own ends. Satan tempts mortals, God uses Satan's temptations to mature mortals and teach them. But, alas, this is not a religious discussion, so I'm gonna shut up about that.

In response to the OP: Khorne would curbstomp Satan. Satan is a fallen angel who is basically just king of the fallen angels, his power is of deceit and fear. Compare that to the literal god of brute strength, and Satan'll be like wheat before a scythe.


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 Vitali Advenil wrote:
Also, the devil isn't really that smart. Yeah, declare war on the omnipotent, unkillable entity who created you. I think his only canonical victory was getting Adam and Eve kicked out of the garden, and even then, it's never directly stated that it was Satan who did that. It was specifically a talking snake, and the devil was never actually mentioned.

I"d say that's it's les declaring war, and more an example of "misery loves company". Satan hates existing, so he wants others to hate existing, and takes endless pleasure in scheming to make them so.

Angels don't have souls. The bible explicitly states that only humans have souls.

what about satan against nurgle or tzeentch?

would he stand a chance?

Honestly, I think Satan is pretty outclassed by everything 40k in general.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Angels don't have souls. The bible explicitly states that only humans have souls.

Really? What prophet said so?

Also: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:35-36)

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
Neither actually exist so I guess it's a draw.

To paraphrase an old quote, 'Satan's best trick was convincing the world he didn't exist.'

You may not believe in Satan but he sure believes in you...

I give this round to Satan.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Angels don't have souls. The bible explicitly states that only humans have souls.

Really? What prophet said so?

Also: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:35-36)

The soul is the part of the person that persists after death. Angels do not die, therefore they do not have souls.

If anything, this verse states that after the resurrection, humans will not have souls.

Isn't it said in Horus Rising the Satan is roughly the equivalent of Samus, the daemon at the Whisperheads on the other Terra?

Satan is a «lawyer» in Christian myths. He isn't especially evil. He does what God tell him to do and as just enough powers to do what is required from him by God. Satan is a tool. Considering that God is describe has omnipotent and omniscient. He could lend to Satan well enough power to kill Khorne, his three chums and a few other things.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Angels don't have souls. The bible explicitly states that only humans have souls.

Really? What prophet said so?

Also: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:35-36)

The soul is the part of the person that persists after death. Angels do not die, therefore they do not have souls.

If anything, this verse states that after the resurrection, humans will not have souls.

THe soul is a subject of debate with no definitive source of information regarding it, as the Bible and other scriptures provide no actual definitions for it, merely references to hearts and souls rejoicing, and the like.

Neither will win as the charmed ones will turn up and the power of three > anything else.

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Neither will win as the charmed ones will turn up and the power of three > anything else.

And they'll be taken over by Tzeentch, because 3*3 = 9.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Neither will win as the charmed ones will turn up and the power of three > anything else.

And they'll be taken over by Tzeentch, because 3*3 = 9.

That's assuming they haven't taken in the hollow in which case everyone is screwed LOL

Should be noted that in 40k, Satan IS Chaos. It's specifically mentioned in False Gods that a form of ancient Chaos worship involved a being called "seytan".

Which makes, literally, absolutely no sense at all, either within Christian theology, the background of 40k, the practices of Chaos, or... anything at all, really.