Fear the Walking Dead *SPOILER ALERT* (season 2 starts on pg 11)

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**Frazzled**

Wow that started moving fast. I thought the lead time between things spiralling downward would take longer.

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**gorgon**

Well, I think that...

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**Frazzled**

Thats a good point Gorgon.

**Mr.Church13**

Watched the first two episodes because people told me it wasn't as bad as the main series.

Really the only thing good I can say about this show is that in a show like this if you need to refresh the cast you can just get them all eaten and start over with new characters. Which is exactly what this show needs to do.

How these people keep from just accidentally lighting themselves on fire all the time is a mystery to me. No one survives anything in these shows except by just shear dumb luck alone and that just bugs the crap out of me.

TLDR. Guess I'm just not a TV verse Walking Dead fan in any sense.

**Frazzled**

Well lets examine that. What exactly did the characters in the last episode do wrong? Remember there is no zombie culture in this universe.

**gorgon**

Yeah, I dunno what the big "mistakes" were. All I saw was a family trying to round up its scattered members and ride out some bad stuff going down. They don't know the ins-and-outs of zombies, nor that it's an apocalypse.

Besides, it's a television show -- not a survival manual -- in the first place. Although I'm aware that some people watch shows like these for the back-seat-survivalist analysis.

**Frazzled**

Well so far we've had the flu and some shootouts. Thats not exactly earth shattering in LA. its only now starting to devolve into something different. It should be remembered that this has effectively occurred over less than a 24 hour period.

**Breotan**

I dunno. I think the Dawn of the Dead update handled the outbreak better. Even ignoring the fast vs. slow issue, the survivors weren't complete morons when everything started falling apart.

**Frazzled**

Breotan wrote:
I dunno. I think the Dawn of the Dead update handled the outbreak better. Even ignoring the fast vs. slow issue, the survivors weren't complete morons when everything started falling apart.

Again how arew these people idiots (second episode). Dear Dog you have me defending... Californians.

Breotan wrote:
I dunno. I think the Dawn of the Dead update handled the outbreak better. Even ignoring the fast vs. slow issue, the survivors weren't complete morons when everything started falling apart.

Again how are these people idiots (second episode)? Dear Dog you have me defending... Californians.

Spoiler:

**Jihadin**

I was waiting....riot first "started"

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**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
I was waiting....riot first "started"

Spoiler:

for the homeless man the LEO killed rise up chomping. Did not expect the Goth Chick Zombie moving towards the cop. Still though if I saw a bunch of MOPP 4 clad people hop out the back of a vehicle I run away

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**Jihadin**

I'm experience on spotting good cover when lead flies down range at me. Also move like I'm 18 again into spotted cover

**chaos0xomega**

It's important to realize that most - if not all - zombie stories take place in a setting where the concept of zombies, zombieism, re-animated corpses, undead, etc. *DO NOT* exist. If it isn't outright stated, then it can generally be assumed, and an obvious indicator of this is terminology used (you almost never hear the term 'zombie' being used within the fiction for this reason, instead they opt for terms like "walker" etc. As a result, you actually have two advantages over the characters in the fiction - you have the knowledge that the world is experiencing the apocalypse, and you also have the knowledge of the nature of that apocalyspe - which is more than you can say about most horror stories, where you might know that the characters are caught in some supernatural terror, but you generally don't know the *details* of that terror, at least not until some point where the characters themselves learn those same details (personally I think this is why horror sequels tend not to be good. After movie 1 you already know most, if not all, the capabilities and dangers posed by the threat, as well as possibly knowing how to defeat, mitigate, or avoid it. Generally speaking, the characters of a sequel are as clueless as you and the characters were at the start of movie 1, and that disparity in knowledge makes it hard for you to relate, etc.).

Also, does the vulnerability of armed personnel in level 4 MOPP gear bother anyone else? I dont care how hard a zombie is biting, its not going to bite through MOPP gear (now a swarm of zombies getting all handsy and pulling some gear off by mistake is more believable).

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Its far too early to be making judgement calls on character stupidity. The gak hasn't hit the fan yet, and won't until maybe halfway through episode 3 when the people killed during the riot begin rising en masse.

**Alpharius**

This is the FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TV show thread - there's no reason to put stuff about the episodes that just aired in spoiler tags.

**Hulksmash**

Finally got to watch it last night (dang kids) and I liked it. I knew it would have to escalate fast since they only have 7 episodes but I'm liking the pacing so far.

Also failing to see where any of them made any "mistakes". So far I'm liking the show. It's interesting that after Nick reacted instantly to the threat of his dead friend to see how quickly Madison (the mom) reacts to her own dead friend but how she tries to shut the world out once she's home.

I also find it interesting noting how people treat the newly risen in this (because they look so much like themselves still) and see it as a way of the virus could have hit a point of no return. The cop stocking up on water (the MOST vital resource in SoCal in a disaster) was a nice touch too.

I suspect we haven't hit the point of no return by a long shot yet though. I honestly expect that to be the season finale when society fully collapses. I think we get some outbreaks, military rule, and then the collapse.

I do wonder what direction they'll take for next season, whether they go the warlord route or the get out route. Because getting out of the LA area is going to be impossible by car once stuff really hits the fan. There are only so many roads thru the mountains.

**Frazzled**

And then once you exit the LA basin...its all desert.

**Hulksmash**

Frazzled wrote:
And then once you exit the LA basin...its all desert.

Depends on which direction you go. North would be the only reasonable direction where you find something other than desert but essentially yeah, desert....forever....

**Frazzled**

North is still a desert, just a slightly shorter one. Shut off the water from high north and middle Cali reverts to desert in days.

**Jihadin**

Alpharius wrote:
This is the FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TV show thread - there's no reason to put stuff about the episodes that just aired in spoiler tags.

Different time zones

besides someone got mad about the finale of Falling Skies not being in "spoiler"

**chaos0xomega**

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fear-walking-dead-episode-3-4-synopses-out-madison-travis-struggle-protect-their-families-1518139

Spoiler:

Doesn't sound like we'll have to wait long to see the 'military rule' part of things.

**Sinful Hero**

Not sure I look forward to "duh militarey izz EVULL!!!1!¡!!" Episodes.

**chaos0xomega**

I definitely am not, as thats usually what that sort of thing boils down to. World War Z is the only zombie fiction Im aware of that displays an even somewhat competent military response.

**Frazzled**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I definitely am not, as thats usually what that sort of thing boils down to. World War Z is the only zombie fiction Im aware of that displays an even somewhat competent military response.

Agreed. The military is evil schtick is lame. You'll a lot of watchers if you go down that road.

**Alpharius**

Jihadin wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
This is the FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TV show thread - there's no reason to put stuff about the episodes that just aired in spoiler tags.

Different time zones
besides someone got mad about the finale of Falling Skies not being in "spoiler"

Nope!

Because when you come into a thread titled "Fear the Living Dead SPOILER ALERT" well...

**Hulksmash**

Frazzled wrote:
North is still a desert, just a slightly shorter one. Shut off the water from high north and middle Cali reverts to desert in days.

Not quite true, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties along the coast are generally quite livable and in no way considered a desert even with northern water cut off (though they would take a hit now with the silted up rivers). That said it's pretty much the situation between the ocean and the mountains (which is a narrow band) in California, it's also a highly populated one.

In regards to the "military is evilz" I don't think they'll go this route. They were careful to not present it that way in TWD. Most military (or former military) have actually been shown in a pretty positive light. All evidence we've seen is that the military was trying to help until everything fell apart.

I expect it'll be more along the lines of silly bravado and over confidence on the part of the military and a "responding to late" theme. They'll get swallowed up. I mean reasonably the issue is that it's one of the most densely populated metros in the US so anything but a careful plan of how to handle a million+ zombies is something that isn't super likely to work. Especially when the government can't be seen just whole sale slaughtering people who from a distance seem fine. We've already seen that turn into a riot in this episode.

Since the government is keeping it all under wraps it can't respond in the way it would need to to be effective. At least I hope that's the direction it takes. I feel like the national guard are mostly being called in for mass riots and won't really know what's going on at the lower levels.

**Frazzled**

We shall see on that. Remember TWD-the governor had actually taken over from soldiers that were abusing the group, and the trailer for next week felt wonky.

**Jihadin**

Alpharius wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
This is the FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TV show thread - there's no reason to put stuff about the episodes that just aired in spoiler tags.

Different time zones
besides someone got mad about the finale of Falling Skies not being in "spoiler"

Nope!

Because when you come into a thread titled "Fear the Living Dead SPOILER ALERT" well...

Come on now. You were slamming us on the Walking Dead one....just cannot remember if it was the TV version or the comic or both....CYA

**chaos0xomega**

Hulksmash wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
North is still a desert, just a slightly shorter one. Shut off the water from high north and middle Cali reverts to desert in days.

Not quite true, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties along the coast are generally quite livable and in no way considered a desert even with northern water cut off (though they would take a hit now with the silted up rivers). That said it's pretty much the situation between the ocean and the mountains (which is a narrow band) in California, it's also a highly populated one.

In regards to the "military is evilz" I don't think they'll go this route. They were careful to not present it that way in TWD. Most military (or former military) have actually been shown in a pretty positive light. All evidence we've seen is that the military was trying to help until everything fell apart.

I expect it'll be more along the lines of silly bravado and over confidence on the part of the military and a "responding to late" theme. They'll get swallowed up. I mean reasonably the issue is that it's one of the most densely populated metros in the US so anything but a careful plan of how to handle a million+ zombies is something that isn't super likely to work. Especially when the government can't be seen just whole sale slaughtering people who from a distance seem fine. We've already seen that turn into a riot in this episode.

Since the government is keeping it all under wraps it can't respond in the way it would need to to be effective. At least I hope that's the direction it takes. I feel like the national guard are mostly being called in for mass riots and won't really know what's going on at the lower levels.

Do you not remember Season 1 of TWD when they show what happened to Rick in the hospital and why he didnt become Zombie Food, courtesy of Shane? The military decided to pull out/abandon the hospital, and in the process lined up patients against the wall and filled them with holes?

Yeah, about that.

**Alpharius**

FEAR THE WALKING DEAD has potential - sure - but as of right now, it is seriously riding on the coattails of THE WALKING DEAD.

I hope it gets better soon though!